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Post by prhoya on Oct 24, 2023 14:55:04 GMT -5
My Comment: By this point, Cooley seemed kind of irritated with the interviewers (though he kept his normal demeanor for the most part), but I don't blame Cooley since the interviewers were obsessed with Providence. I am sure that's not what Cooley wants to talk about. But Cooley's comment is obviously silly talk--people dislike horrible coaches all the time for good reasons--but I get what he means here. Aside: These interviewers, whoever they are, aren't very good. I'll try to do the same with the other video Dan posted later on. Irritated? He was cursing at some point. Who knows how many Media Day interviews he had before that one. The interviewer is Jeff Goodman, one of the best known communicators in the college basketball business. You’ve been around too and you should know that for the rest of his tenure as GU’s head coach, he will have the Providence questions to answer. Just like every game we saw during Pat’s debacle mentioned the 1984 championship, the Hall of Fame, JT2’s legacy, etc…, Cooley’s abrupt departure from Providence to a conference rival will folllow him for the rest of his coaching days here. It's the nature of talking points and he or anyone else shouldn't complain when it's brought up time and again. It’s silly.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 24, 2023 15:04:35 GMT -5
My Comment: By this point, Cooley seemed kind of irritated with the interviewers (though he kept his normal demeanor for the most part), but I don't blame Cooley since the interviewers were obsessed with Providence. I am sure that's not what Cooley wants to talk about. But Cooley's comment is obviously silly talk--people dislike horrible coaches all the time for good reasons--but I get what he means here. Aside: These interviewers, whoever they are, aren't very good. I'll try to do the same with the other video Dan posted later on. Irritated? He was cursing at some point. Who knows how many Media Day interviews he had before that one. The interviewer is Jeff Goodman, one of the best known communicators in the college basketball business. You’ve been around too and you should know that for the rest of his tenure as GU’s head coach, he will have the Providence questions to answer. Just like every game we saw during Pat’s debacle mentioned the 1984 championship, the Hall of Fame, JT2’s legacy, etc…, Cooley’s abrupt departure from Providence to a conference rival will folllow him for the rest of his coaching days here. It's the nature of talking points and he or anyone else shouldn't complain when it's brought up time and again. It’s silly. Fair enough. I agree with you 100% the media relies on a handful of talking points over and over again. I guarantee you that for much of the season, the media will talk about it every game we play because the media has nothing else to talk about. While I think it'll be omnipresent this year, I do think with time it'll fall off. Will Cooley leaving Providence really be that interesting anymore in 2-3 years? Much less, so I think. 4-5 years or longer? Probably very little aside from the casual references when we play Providence. I really don't think Cooley was that irritated actually, until maybe the end. As far as Cooley and cursing, he was basically saying he didn't give a crap about his personal legacy (but he used the more colorful language), he just wanted to win. I don't think the cursing and irritation had much of a link. While I agree he shouldn't have done that, he wasn't cursing in negative manner at someone or about something he was trying to direct anger toward. The headline of the video is incredibly misleading because it doesn't specify what "legacy" he was talking about (his own personal legacy, not Georgetown's), when it was very clear from the rest of his interview that he respects Georgetown's history and what came before him. As for Goodman, my bad for not recognizing him since I normally read what he writes and don't see his face. I still think the interview was poorly done, even if Goodman is well respected as a communicator I don't think the interview was a very good one. It was all over the place.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 24, 2023 15:29:50 GMT -5
Irritated? He was cursing at some point. Who knows how many Media Day interviews he had before that one. The interviewer is Jeff Goodman, one of the best known communicators in the college basketball business. You’ve been around too and you should know that for the rest of his tenure as GU’s head coach, he will have the Providence questions to answer. Just like every game we saw during Pat’s debacle mentioned the 1984 championship, the Hall of Fame, JT2’s legacy, etc…, Cooley’s abrupt departure from Providence to a conference rival will folllow him for the rest of his coaching days here. It's the nature of talking points and he or anyone else shouldn't complain when it's brought up time and again. It’s silly. Fair enough. I agree with you 100% the media relies on a handful of talking points over and over again. I guarantee you that for much of the season, the media will talk about it every game we play because the media has nothing else to talk about. While I think it'll be omnipresent this year, I do think with time it'll fall off. Will Cooley leaving Providence really be that interesting anymore in 2-3 years? Much less, so I think. 4-5 years or longer? Probably very little aside from the casual references when we play Providence. I really don't think Cooley was that irritated actually, until maybe the end. As far as Cooley and cursing, he was basically saying he didn't give a crap about his personal legacy (but he used the more colorful language), he just wanted to win. I don't think the cursing and irritation had much of a link. While I agree he shouldn't have done that, he wasn't cursing in negative manner at someone or about something he was trying to direct anger toward. The headline of the video is incredibly misleading because it doesn't specify what "legacy" he was talking about (his own personal legacy, not Georgetown's), when it was very clear from the rest of his interview that he respects Georgetown's history and what came before him. As for Goodman, my bad for not recognizing him since I normally read what he writes and don't see his face. I still think the interview was poorly done, even if Goodman is well respected as a communicator I don't think the interview was a very good one. It was all over the place. When he has success at GU, then the Providence talking points will decrease to just during Prov/GU games. Cooley will be compared to English and Pitino for the rest of their BE years together. It’s inevitable.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 24, 2023 16:57:22 GMT -5
I am not sure why this is an issue at all. Of course the Providence fans will hate on Cooley for a very long time and as they do it will always be a media topic. I think that what he did was a good career move for him but a major slap in the face of the program that helped him achieve success and earn that big contract. Imagine if after all his success with the Hoyas , Big John had decided to return to Providence where he played ball. I don't think that the Hoya fans or the media would give him a pass for years. The haters would be all over him.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 24, 2023 20:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 25, 2023 2:22:13 GMT -5
I am not sure why this is an issue at all. Of course the Providence fans will hate on Cooley for a very long time and as they do it will always be a media topic. I think that what he did was a good career move for him but a major slap in the face of the program that helped him achieve success and earn that big contract. Imagine if after all his success with the Hoyas , Big John had decided to return to Providence where he played ball. I don't think that the Hoya fans or the media would give him a pass for years. The haters would be all over him. You must not take part of social media. Congrats on that. If you were on social media you would know Friar fans go way beyond the limit with their rhetoric and unfounded accusations. They downright show contempt for a man whose apparent immoral behavior they were totally fine with UNTIL he left for Georgetown. One would think they would have been happy to rid themselves of an awful coach who is apparently an even more awful person but he lives rent free in their heads anyway. Its amazing. They also have harassed Hoya fans non-stop by trying to insinuate themselves in conversations that have nothing to do with them in order to spread their narcissistic bitterness and venom. Remind me what Georgetown students, alumni and fans actually did to the Friars again. I highly doubt Georgetown folks would have done anything near this to John Thompson in the scenario you proposed ( if social media existed at the time), largely because they don't come from a position of such a blatant collective inferiority complex.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 25, 2023 3:34:59 GMT -5
I heard Cooley with Fanta & crew - he didn't say too much, but he did say that one day Fielder will be a 'household name.' Thought that was interesting. Well for better or worse he will get an early opportunity to start building that name! Interestingly enough the guy who runs HR just passed along some inside info of Fielder that is HIGHLY promising as well. It makes me think of tweets by a gentlemen who is either Drew's dad or uncle in response to some glowing comments about Cooper Flagg. This relative of Fielder was imploring the media to show some love to Drew! We all know how family members can have an understandable bias towards their own, but that still took some hutzpah for the guy to make an argument that Drew was deserving of somewhat similar attention. Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk?
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Post by TC on Oct 25, 2023 6:19:57 GMT -5
Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk? Where were the Fielder comments? I legitimately missed them and I tried to follow everything from yesterday, and that is the kind of thing I was hoping to see/hear (talk about our program/team). It was great to hear Cooley talk a bit about Supreme (although Vin Parise tried to reduce that to talking about his name), and it was great to see Epps interviewed - is there somewhere we can see complete interviews? I don't think people think the media are justified in the Cooley/Providence focus ... I think it's more that we are resigned to it for this year at least because storylines are a focus.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 25, 2023 7:03:39 GMT -5
I am not sure why this is an issue at all. Of course the Providence fans will hate on Cooley for a very long time and as they do it will always be a media topic. I think that what he did was a good career move for him but a major slap in the face of the program that helped him achieve success and earn that big contract. Imagine if after all his success with the Hoyas , Big John had decided to return to Providence where he played ball. I don't think that the Hoya fans or the media would give him a pass for years. The haters would be all over him. You must not take part of social media. Congrats on that. If you were on social media you would know Friar fans go way beyond the limit with their rhetoric and unfounded accusations. They downright show contempt for a man whose apparent immoral behavior they were totally fine with UNTIL he left for Georgetown. One would think they would have been happy to rid themselves of an awful coach who is apparently an even more awful person but he lives rent free in their heads anyway. Its amazing. They also have harassed Hoya fans non-stop by trying to insinuate themselves in conversations that have nothing to do with them in order to spread their narcissistic bitterness and venom. Remind me what Georgetown students, alumni and fans actually did to the Friars again. I highly doubt Georgetown folks would have done anything near this to John Thompson in the scenario you proposed ( if social media existed at the time), largely because they don't come from a position of such a blatant collective inferiority complex. Understand your point and yes I try to ignore social media as much as possible. It is to me often a useless form of self-promotion and one that emboldens cowards to hide behind a handle while making comments that they would never say in person. That said in the context of a world dominated by social media I am still not shocked that Providence fans would spew the venom they have when feeling betrayed. As for Hoya fans and their reactions if an iconic figure like Big John had abandoned the Hoya program in the late 1980s or early 1990's to return to Providence where he played, I suspect you are giving us/them too much credit in considering the fan reaction.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 25, 2023 7:47:48 GMT -5
Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk? Where were the Fielder comments? I legitimately missed them and I tried to follow everything from yesterday, and that is the kind of thing I was hoping to see/hear (talk about our program/team). It was great to hear Cooley talk a bit about Supreme (although Vin Parise tried to reduce that to talking about his name), and it was great to see Epps interviewed - is there somewhere we can see complete interviews? I don't think people think the media are justified in the Cooley/Providence focus ... I think it's more that we are resigned to it for this year at least because storylines are a focus. Cooley said that Fielder was "just scratching the surface" and thinks he'll be a household name before it's all said & done.
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Post by kettlehill on Oct 25, 2023 8:21:52 GMT -5
I love this from Cooley:
“I’m not apologizing for taking care of my life. End of discussion."
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Post by prhoya on Oct 25, 2023 8:31:49 GMT -5
Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk? People, people, people… Regarding the Fanta et al. interview, that really wasn’t an in-depth interview. For example, there was not much on the players. It was basically the same questions made to an experienced coach with a new job and a juicy storyline, in a very familiar setting and towards the end of the show. The only part of the interview that mentioned actual basketball (players, schemes, etc…) just touched lightly on Jayden, Drew and Cook. For example, they asked Cooley about Cook and he said Cook is improving, and then playfully made fun of Cook’s deep voice. We would love a player breakdown by Cooley, but he hasn’t done such an interview. I disagree that we haven’t talked about basketball. There’s just not a lot of material out there on this year’s roster given the smallest roster in college basketball, three returning players who the coach hasn’t mentioned in interviews other than in that summer interview, three players who haven’t played college basketball, and three players with different college basketball experiences. For example, how much is out there re: Dontrez? What kind of player do we have? I hope to hear a detailed analysis by Cooley on how Dontrez helps the team, etc… Regarding Drew, we’ve covered him extensively for a frosh player with little info out there and everyone here is hopeful. IMO, given the number of minutes he will have to play, Drew will be a potential BE All-Freshmen Team. Btw, I said the same for Denver last year, so take that with a grain of salt. Surprisingly, no one asked him about why does he only have 9 scholarship players in a killer league like the BE. I don’t know if that fits your idea of “basketball talk”, but that’s the biggest story of this year’s team.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 25, 2023 9:09:52 GMT -5
I heard Cooley with Fanta & crew - he didn't say too much, but he did say that one day Fielder will be a 'household name.' Thought that was interesting. Well for better or worse he will get an early opportunity to start building that name! Interestingly enough the guy who runs HR just passed along some inside info of Fielder that is HIGHLY promising as well. It makes me think of tweets by a gentlemen who is either Drew's dad or uncle in response to some glowing comments about Cooper Flagg. This relative of Fielder was imploring the media to show some love to Drew! We all know how family members can have an understandable bias towards their own, but that still took some hutzpah for the guy to make an argument that Drew was deserving of somewhat similar attention. Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk?Tell this to the HC who spent the day rehashing why he left PC & his love for the school and the city of Providence instead of focusing on his current team The 1st question asked by Dauster yesterday was "How does it feel to be in DC, different huh?" Cooley answers by saying he misses the beach and the Italian food on Federal Hill. Cooley told reporters yesterday that if he ever reached HOF status(hope he does!!) he'd go in as a Friar. Can't expect Friar fans to stop talking about it if their ex coach won't...
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Post by thedragon on Oct 25, 2023 9:29:34 GMT -5
Interestingly enough the guy who runs HR just passed along some inside info of Fielder that is HIGHLY promising as well. It makes me think of tweets by a gentlemen who is either Drew's dad or uncle in response to some glowing comments about Cooper Flagg. This relative of Fielder was imploring the media to show some love to Drew! We all know how family members can have an understandable bias towards their own, but that still took some hutzpah for the guy to make an argument that Drew was deserving of somewhat similar attention. Getting back to Cooley's comments on Fielder, I find them fascinating and revealing. Other fanbases would have ran with them, debated over all of it and made them a topic of discussion. This board though just doesn't care and that's largely because people here want to focus exclusively on the negative (and will probably defend this on the basis of the talking points about how the program is a model of negativity). There are people typing stuff about how they aren't excited not only for just this year but for what they see in the team's prospects for next season too. More people are interested in having a conversation about how the media is justified in its single-minded focus of Cooley and Providence. Interesting conversations can come from that, but there's more than just that we can talk about, right? What about actual basketball talk?Tell this to the HC who spent the day rehashing why he left PC & his love for the school and the city of Providence instead of focusing on his current team The 1st question asked by Dauster yesterday was "How does it feel to be in DC, different huh?" Cooley answers by saying he misses the beach and the Italian food on Federal Hill. Cooley told reporters yesterday that if he ever reached HOF status(hope he does!!) he'd go in as a Friar. Can't expect Friar fans to stop talking about it if their ex coach won't... This is a really poor take in my unsolicited opinion. Hes trying to cool the tension by showing love to his hometown team/city that he coached back to prominence. It was pretty obvious the intent of Dausters question was about the difference between Providence, RI and DC. It's the first media gathering since the change. The first time English/Cooley at same spot. What did you expect? You have a lot of cache built up with me Etomic over the years on this board, as someone reasonable and knowledgeable, but you seem to have a hard on for anything EC does or doesn't do. Is that a symptom of wanting Pitino (no idea of you did or didnt)? Just seems odd to pick apart every little thing this man does before he's even coached a game for Hoyas.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 25, 2023 9:40:02 GMT -5
Tell this to the HC who spent the day rehashing why he left PC & his love for the school and the city of Providence instead of focusing on his current team. The 1st question asked by Dauster yesterday was "How does it feel to be in DC, different huh?" Cooley answers by saying he misses the beach and the Italian food on Federal Hill. Cooley told reporters yesterday that if he ever reached HOF status(hope he does!!) he'd go in as a Friar. Can't expect Friar fans to stop talking about it if their ex coach won't... There's a certain kayfabe in all this. Cooley talks to reporters all the time and they know how these kind of questions make for good conversation... and he knows it too. Cooley isn't shying away from promoting the Jan 27 game at the Civic Center and reporters like that about him. By contrast, Ewing (and to some degree JT III) never maintained ties with writers and reporters. I would be surprised if the trio of Dauster, Goodman, and Fanta ever had dinner and drinks with Ewing.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 25, 2023 9:49:18 GMT -5
Speaking of good conversation...
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Post by hoyaboya on Oct 25, 2023 11:04:22 GMT -5
I love this from Cooley: “I’m not apologizing for taking care of my life. End of discussion." Did he actually say this? If so, not exactly putting an end to the speculation from Providence fans on what drove his departure...
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