Georgetown-Pennsylvania Discussion

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1st quarter series:

UP: Six plays to midfield, punt to G5 12:03
GU: Six plays, punt to midfield 8:28
UP: Three and out, punt to G19 6:21
GU: Ten plays to midfield, punt to G20 2:07
UP: Four plays, fumble at P40 0:14

End of one, no score

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2nd quarter series:

GU: Seven plays, 60 yards, Knoop 1 yd. run G 7-0 11:27
UP: Squib kick sets up Penn at GU 35. Seven plays, 65 yards, 3 yd run. 7-7, 8:11
GU: Three and out, short punt returned to G24 6:32
UP: One play, 24 yard pass. P 14-7 6:24
GU: Three and out, punt to P35 5:20
UP: Four plays to G5, FG. P 17-7 3:37
GU: Ten plays, 75 yards, 10 yd. pass to Stakely. Ryan misses PAT. P 17-13 0:16
UP: Short kick to P37. Two plays, 47 yd. FG P 20-13 0:00

Halftime, 17-13. Kicking game probably cost GU 10 points.

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3rd quarter series:

GU: Three plays, INT at P40 13:30
UP: Three and out, punt to G1 11:00
GU: One play, snap goes out of end zone P 22-13 10:59
UP: Four pays, punt to G29 9:11
GU: Three plays, INT. Penalty moves it back to G38 7:31
UP: Four plays, 38 yards. 24 yd run. P 29-13 5:56
GU: Three plays, 71 yards. 65 yd TD pass called off, then reversed. P 29-20 3:47
UP: Eight plays, 75 yards, 7 yd. run. P 36-20 0:57

End of three, 36-20

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4th quarter series:

GU: Eight plays, 70 yards. 7 yard TD run, plus two-point PAT. P 36-28 11:58
UP: Six plays, punt to G14 8:31
GU: 16 plays, 84 yards, 1 yd pass and a TWO POINT PAT 36-36 1:22
UP: Six plays, narrowly misses 62 yard FG. 0:18

Overtime: 36-36

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Overtime series:

GU: Three and out, Ryan career 49 yd. FG G 39-36
UP: Four plays, 5 yd. run. P 42-39

Final

[thebin]

Great game on tv despite ludicrous delays and a crowd that looked to be in the hundreds tops.

[thebin]

I know it rained a bit. But its mid October. These are 2 like minded schools/student bodies with winning records. And it looked honestly like there were about 300 people in Franklin Field today for a hell of a game.

Are penn students secretly more football apathetic than Columbia kids? Does Princeton get a nod here? Seems clear both f
Upenn and princeton could remove 75% of their seating and still never worry about selling out. Surprised Penn doesn’t try to restore/redesign Franklin with a dramatically reduced load of perpetually empty seats.

Penn Relays sell a lot of tix still?

[thebin]

The entirely unused upper deck of historic Franklin Field would make a hell of an architectural statement if you just repurposed the upper deck into a Highline style landscaped park/running path. Or cool ass student housing. Or just remove it already. Honestly today looked too empty to be even a normal practice day.

[Nevada Hoya]

Yes, the Penn Relays sell a lot of tickets.

[DFW HOYA]

Respectfully disagree with the points above.

1. Franklin Field does not need to be razed. It is as much a part of that campus as Dahlgren Chapel is at Georgetown. That the Penn Relays can draw 50,000 and the Quakers can't is not the fault of the facility.

2. Official attendance was a mere 2,250. That said, Georgetown is the least attractive opponent on a home schedule which included Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, and Princeton. For many Penn fans, Georgetown might as well be Kennesaw State.

3. "Are Penn students secretly more football apathetic than Columbia kids?" Maybe. Are they more football apathetic than Georgetown kids?

[thebin]

I don’t think you could possibly read my suggestion as “razing” it. The opposite. Preserve it by reducing it to reasonable size while giving it renewed purpose. I would expect most of the architectural presence would if anything be improved by reducing a now absurdly oversized capacity. (Removal only last of my preferred options and for upper deck only.). Let’s be honest, even with the upper deck hone there are still too many seats for Quaker fb.

Who runs the Penn Relays? The University? Franklin was certainly built for football not a couple of days of track. And it is neither here nor there whose fault it is FF has 50k empty seats; it is a bad look and is inevitable by now. Its not going back to even half full as it never seems likely to host the Harvard Yale game.

Make it fit the appropriate century while keeping most of exterior ediface intact but with a superior sense of purpose rather than a depressing sign of permanent decay and decline.

[thebin]

Princeton? They have no historical excuse. They had the info they needed when they built that strangely poorly aging stadium which will never even have a history of full houses. Or half full ones. If they waited 10 years one presumes they would have gone much smaller.

[thebin]

Box score shows Princeton was 85% empty today v the local Leopards. Franklin was 96% empty. Nor are those outliers. Nor is occasional rain in October.

[WilsonBlvdHoya]

Oct 7, 2023 18:00:38 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Respectfully disagree with the points above.

1. Franklin Field does not need to be razed. It is as much a part of that campus as Dahlgren Chapel is at Georgetown. That the Penn Relays can draw 50,000 and the Quakers can't is not the fault of the facility.

2. Official attendance was a mere 2,250. That said, Georgetown is the least attractive opponent on a home schedule which included Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, and Princeton. For many Penn fans, Georgetown might as well be Kennesaw State.

3. "Are Penn students secretly more football apathetic than Columbia kids?" Maybe. Are they more football apathetic than Georgetown kids?

I'll chime in on #2 with the caveat that my GU experience is nearly 40 years away and that of Penn (as a grad student with a spouse also there) is 30 years away....

DFW is correct on GU being the least attractive home FB opponent for Penn. But, at least for the Penn undergrads of 30 years ago, I don't think it's Kennesaw State either (or Stonehill, ahem, for that matter!!). There is some affiliation/overlap (at least from an admissions perspective)....for sure the main FB attraction, if any, for Penn students would be fellow Ivies and certainly Princeton as their main rival.

I do concur that, from a temporal distance, it seems the undergrad experience (at Ivy and Ivy-like schools) has increasingly focused less on athletics and much more on the pressures of pre-professionalism (grades/majors/"correct" clubs/prepping for post-graduate experiences vs. taking a couple of hours on a Saturday afternoon to enjoy an historic field and to have social interactions at a football game against a somewhat similarly-situated institution).

Finally on Franklin Field---it's not only one of the great historic FB and track venues but also hosts graduation every year (gets pretty full then!). Many a nationally competitive FB game in the first half of the 20th Century was played there (some of which my own father attended!). No way Penn is altering it architecturally in any way!

[thebin]

I grew up on Ivy league fb in the 80s. Went to most Harvard gsmes as a child. Fwiw i am very well aware of the history of Franklin Field which is the only reason i care to suggest that it be preserved and rehabilitated and repurposed. We will have to agree to disagree that the only way to preserve it is to keep it at 55k capacity. I think there a number of thoughtful ways the builfing can be modified for appropriate use for another century. But a new century with a reasonable capacity.

[thebin]

Keeping it as is…i’m sorry but today looked like a pee wee exhibition at half time in there. It was doing nothing for the history of the Ancient Eight. If you were on the Amtrak NE Direct passing by the the game you would have sworn the Quakers were on the road today.

Btw box score said 2200? Sounds very high to this viewer. Looked like 300.

Question- Isn’t Cornell Penn’s biggest rival?

(I’ll have to admit just not caring if a 55k stadium exists in any wsy FOR once annual events like track or graduation.)

At some point the currently 90% empty for fb stadium is not a reasonable use of campus space imo.

[thebin]

Passers-by could have be forgiven for assuming there was a student club sport being played at Franklin today. Hey…they got real helmets and everything!

Its sad.

[teddy16]

I have to give credit to the coaches and players this weekend. they displayed continued resolve and effort in keeping us in the game and came so close to pulling it out. they had to persevere and overcome many obstacles

1) the officiating was poor and seemingly biased. i hadnt in a while observed as many egregious calls against GU (the refs nust have been ivy ref crew). some of the calls were awful (a phantom holding call on a key 3rd dn, an obviuos fumble by Penn - even after one of the many long reviews was not overturned and awarded to GU - even though it was obvious. a targeting call in 1st half and so forth.

2) really poor special teams play. (besides the 49 yd FG in OT into the wind). our kick off coverage has been bad the entire season and it was again on saturday. we gifted them 3 points at end of 1st half after we scored and on ensuing kick off = we pooched it out of bounds awarding them great field position. we missed a PAT due to poor snap. we mis handled a kick return that put us inside our 4 yd line. we didnt handle 2 punts which led to further inside 5 yd line starting points. it was really insane how many times we had difficult field positioning (on both sides of the ball)and all due to our mistakes. i dont get why we cant straighten out some of these chronic problems.

3) the game took 4 hrs to play in regulation!!! again the refs took ridiculous amounts of time to review plays and that combined with other stoppages, injuries, to clear toast from the field (not kidding). it wasnt a good moment/look

4) injuries - both our 1st team and 2nd team centers were forced to leave the game. we played the 4th qtr with 3rd string center !!!

5) penalties. roughing the passer, other unnecessary roughness plays, offsides, false starts.... a litany of real head scratchers all at key moments that were momentum builders for UP or killers for us. we have to get better in maintaining composure (even if we are a young team). we beat ourselves

anyway - inspite of it all - we played a helluva game and that 4th quarter with 2 TD's and 2 two point conversions and key defensive stops - which resulted in tying the game were really impressive. Knopp was outstanding as were our rb's and Wr's. the last 2 weeks we competed with schools with far greater budgets than ours. hoya saxa !!!