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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 15, 2005 14:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 15, 2005 15:01:37 GMT -5
Odd timing. Clearly, there's a lot more to this story. Maybe he can go to Arkansas.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 15, 2005 15:05:26 GMT -5
Odd timing. Clearly, there's a lot more to this story. Maybe he can go to Arkansas. Academic speculation on Clemson boards but that happens everywhere when someone leaves for no apparent reason. As I understand it he'd have to be in good standing to transfer. Isn't Tony Bethel a main reason Moore chose Clemson over GU? |
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Post by showcase on Aug 15, 2005 15:33:32 GMT -5
I guess as a former Hoya recruit, Moore's transfer was preordained.
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Aug 15, 2005 16:04:19 GMT -5
What really happened w/ this guy? I read he said/she said kinds of things, where he said G'town led him on, then didn't offer and where I got the impression that he didn't want to go to G'town. Anyone have the straight dope?
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2005 16:08:55 GMT -5
No. The people close to him (like his dad) started having their doubts about the program and Esh and basically got him to look at other schools.
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Aug 15, 2005 16:10:42 GMT -5
I pulled this from his bio...
Overview: Sophomore forward who started 17 games as a first-year freshman in 2004-05...looks to improve on solid season, he is capable of helping the Tigers in many areas in 2005-06...third on the team in three-point shooting as a freshman, he made 39 threes, including the game winner in overtime to beat rival South Carolina...solid free throw shooter who had a streak of 15 consecutive made free throws at one stretch during the season, the longest streak by a Clemson player in 2004-05...from the Washington DC area, but he came to Clemson from South Kent Prep School in Connecticut...a top 100 player out of high school who was ranked 87th by Insidehoop.com and 99th by Prepstars during his final year of high school....chose Clemson over Arizona, Boston College, DePaul, Penn State and Georgetown.
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Aug 15, 2005 16:12:32 GMT -5
This is from C. Moore's Bio, too...
Personality Profile
What is your nickname(if you have one)? Shy
What is your favorite hobby? Basketball
What team outside the ACC would you like Clemson to play every year? UCONN
Who do you think is the best college player in the country: Chris Paul of Wake Forest
What is your favorite academic subject at Clemson? Math
Who is your favorite all-time Clemson basketball player? Sharrod Ford
Who has the biggest influence on our athletic career? My High School and AAU coach
What is your favorite all-time movie? Scarface
If I hadn't gone to Clemson I would have gone to: DePaul
What is your most memorable moment in basketball: When I did a windmill dunk and broke the backboard.
What do you see as your strongest athletic attribute? versatility
If you could take a vacation anywhere in the world, where would you go? Jamaica
I like the part where says his #2 choice was DePaul. Let the Cheyenne to Depaul rumors begin.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 15, 2005 16:22:30 GMT -5
No. The people close to him (like his dad) started having their doubts about the program and Esh and basically got him to look at other schools. Okay, but it was something he said later (to the SC press during the Hawaii tournament week) about why he didn't go to GU. I'll try to find the article but I still didn't think it was something as simple as he put it to local media down here that far after the fact. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 15, 2005 16:28:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he said something to the effect of Bethel or someone else suggested that things weren't very happy with the Hoyas at that moment, and he looked elsewhere. Can't say I really blame anyone for that, since it was obviously true.
For those who don't know, he initially verbaled early to the Hoyas, but later repoened his recruitment.
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Post by bawlmerhoya on Aug 15, 2005 16:36:19 GMT -5
He was cited as a tragic case in a Post article on HS BBall recruits. He transferred to a DC area school for his sophmore year to be close GTOWN and get an offer, but the offer never materialized. Something like that. I have also heard that he didn't like Esh and the program, so he went someplace else. Looks like he went to school w/ the newest WIZ, Blatche.
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Post by TigerHoya on Aug 15, 2005 17:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 15, 2005 18:11:23 GMT -5
No. The people close to him (like his dad) started having their doubts about the program and Esh and basically got him to look at other schools. Well, here's the original story and his dad was not cited, but the Montrose Three. The fact that they would steer away a committed recruit is, and remains, shameful. (Well, there's always Arkansas.) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1204.htm#30 |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2005 23:26:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he said something to the effect of Bethel or someone else suggested that things weren't very happy with the Hoyas at that moment, and he looked elsewhere. Can't say I really blame anyone for that, since it was obviously true. But I believe he "took back" his commitment before the time Bethel said anything. One recruiting site had an interview with him years ago in which he mentioned his father got involved with his recruitment and told him tom open things up and again and take a look at other programs other than GU. He was still considering Gtown which means possibly Bethel's words could have been a deciding factor. But I doubt Bethel was the one rsponsible for him initially backing away from his commitment. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 16, 2005 0:03:12 GMT -5
We are all pleased with the job that JT3 is doing on the recruiting trail. One of the things that attracts recruits to GU is the family atmosphere, camaraderie, and strong friendships among teammates. JT3 encourages recruits to meet the team members and get a real feeling for life at GU. Many of the recruits and their parents also meet Pops and get direct input from him about the program too. As far as I know, no current teammates are told what to say to recruits... other than to be honest and open about the team, the school... and surely about the coaching staff as well. It is this very openness and sharing that makes recruits feel welcome and want to be a part of a rapidly rising program.
I don't know how one could expect the "Montrose Three" -- or any other Hoyas -- to do anything other than be honest with recruits about their perception of the state of the program. Many of us have heard a lot of things about what was going on during the last 2-3 years before JT3 took over. We have no way to verify those stories... but, we did see an unprecedented pattern of transfers, and we saw a HC behave deplorably and extremely immaturely, right after he had been given a vote of confidence and new contract despite poor results on the court and in maintaining continuity on the team. Was that a one-time exception in behavior? or a rare public glimpse behind the facade and into the reality of the situation?
I don't know how we can say that the honest responses of student athletes on the team to their perception of the state of the program -- based on their insider information -- could be "shameful". I guess we will have to agree to disagree about that one.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 16, 2005 6:57:10 GMT -5
If HT et al. had advised Moore not to make a verbal to Georgetown, that's discouraging in itself. The article suggested that Moore had already committed and they had advised him not to sign. That's what tips the scales for me.
For all the lackluster records of the last 7-10 years, this was not a program in scandal or 20+ loss seasons. Transfers were not "unprecedented", given the exits from 1990-1993 and 1996-98, but that's all for the past, I guess.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 16, 2005 8:08:40 GMT -5
No. The people close to him (like his dad) started having their doubts about the program and Esh and basically got him to look at other schools. Well, here's the original story and his dad was not cited, but the Montrose Three. The fact that they would steer away a committed recruit is, and remains, shameful. (Well, there's always Arkansas.) www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive1204.htm#30I'm with that 100%. The notion that the atmosphere for basketball players at GU was ever oppressive-- or anything close to it-- is laughable. Certainly not all parties were happy, but that is by no means an unusual situation in college athletics. The thing about this situation that made it unique was that members of the team and coaching staff worked to undermine the program. That is shocking and unacceptable under any circumstances. |
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 16, 2005 8:35:55 GMT -5
I think there is a difference b/w being honest about the program and telling someone they shouldn't commit, or should back out of a verbal committment. The first one is what should happen, the second is inexcusable.
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Post by the_way on Aug 16, 2005 8:46:53 GMT -5
"They didn't think it was a good place I should go if I wanted to get better,” Moore said. “It was more of a big-man school. That’s the way [Georgetown] made the program. They didn't really help the guards to get better.”
Lets look what is said. He said that they said it isn't a good place if you were a guard. Its a big man school
Now what was just said is true. That was the knock on G'town. It was a big man oriented school. Its just like if you are a wide receiver prospect and you go to school like nebraska, who was known for running the option back then. If you are receiver looking to get stats, playing time, a chance maybe at the NFL, you wouldn't want to go to school that runs the option. Same thing works with basketball. This is what goes on in recruiting. This is what recruits talk about, playing time, etc. If you were a guard you may want to look elsewhere if you are going to a team that is big-man oriented. That is why Iverson didn't initially want to come to GU, because it was a big man school and he was concerned he wouldn't be allowed to play his game. So if that was all that said, I see no problem with that. They were honest. They had a dominant low-post player in Sweetney and they had Wesley Wilson at the time. If you were a guard your touches were going to be limited because those guys would get the ball the most. Again, now I'm saying this if all that was said that he shouldn't come here because it was a big man school.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 16, 2005 9:23:37 GMT -5
If Tony Bethel and Drew Hall thought that they weren't getting better b/c Gtown was a "big-man school," they were quite misguided. Perhaps they didn't have mirrors in their dorm rooms.
I wonder how Charles Smith would have turned out if he was caught up on playing at a "big-man school." Allen Iverson, who played on teams full of post players, didn't seem too concerned with that excuse. Hmmm...I wonder if attitude had something to do with it.
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