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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2023 20:04:32 GMT -5
Players can enter the transfer portal as late as 4/30. Based on what I see some national reporters/coaches bemoaning on Twitter, beyond the players already in, there are others (esp at mid major schools) whose representatives are shopping for the right offers before they jump in. While I think it makes sense to go all in for Dickinson, if that doesn’t pan out—which is my assumption until I hear for sure otherwise, Nerlens’ haircut permanently shattered my confidence—there are probably other players who can be recruited that aren’t on the transfer radar yet. I don’t think plan B is “small ball and Mutombo.” Especially since we know Hoyas clearly have no compunction about snaking other schools’ talent away in stealth! Let the Nerlens thing go. It's good for your health. He didn't turn out to be anything special. It’s more about the Fran Frachilla #Done Deal to Georgetown etc only to have it change in the last hour. This makes people weary about a high impact commitment until they get on the campus which is understandable. Noel’s would have made the nba at either school and though nothing special in the nba was in impact player for Kentucky before his freak injury. Maybe he doesn’t get injured if he goes to Georgetown and would have been the #1 pick in the nba draft (as he was before his injury at UK) maybe he learns more skills in III Princeton and big man brotherhood which leads to a better NBA career. Regardless he could’ve helped us. We would have had: Starks dsr Trawick Whitington Otto Porter Lubick Hopkins Noels Bowen Hayes |
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2023 20:51:26 GMT -5
Let the Nerlens thing go. It's good for your health. He didn't turn out to be anything special. It’s more about the Fran Frachilla #Done Deal to Georgetown etc only to have it change in the last hour. This makes people weary about a high impact commitment until they get on the campus which is understandable. Noel’s would have made the nba at either school and though nothing special in the nba was in impact player for Kentucky before his freak injury. Maybe he doesn’t get injured if he goes to Georgetown and would have been the #1 pick in the nba draft (as he was before his injury at UK) maybe he learns more skills in III Princeton and big man brotherhood which leads to a better NBA career. Regardless he could’ve helped us. We would have had: Starks dsr Trawick Whitington Otto Porter Lubick Hopkins Noels Bowen Hayes Point taken. I'm only saying that Nerlens won nothing at the college or pro level and it's not as though he was surrounded by scrubs at Kentucky. He was a good, not great, college player. He didn't at all translate as a #1 pick regardless of how he chose his college. Yes, he would have gone pro either way and yes, he could have helped us. But, it's not remotely a certainty that he would've been a total game-changer as he was touted to be. He never became that. It's far more likely that he would not have become that at Georgetown either. |
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Post by hoyadoing on Apr 15, 2023 20:52:04 GMT -5
Let the Nerlens thing go. It's good for your health. He didn't turn out to be anything special. It’s more about the Fran Frachilla #Done Deal to Georgetown etc only to have it change in the last hour. This makes people weary about a high impact commitment until they get on the campus which is understandable. Noel’s would have made the nba at either school and though nothing special in the nba was in impact player for Kentucky before his freak injury. Maybe he doesn’t get injured if he goes to Georgetown and would have been the #1 pick in the nba draft (as he was before his injury at UK) maybe he learns more skills in III Princeton and big man brotherhood which leads to a better NBA career. Regardless he could’ve helped us. We would have had: Starks dsr Trawick Whitington Otto Porter Lubick Hopkins Noels Bowen Hayes
We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 15, 2023 21:01:35 GMT -5
It’s more about the Fran Frachilla #Done Deal to Georgetown etc only to have it change in the last hour. This makes people weary about a high impact commitment until they get on the campus which is understandable. Noel’s would have made the nba at either school and though nothing special in the nba was in impact player for Kentucky before his freak injury. Maybe he doesn’t get injured if he goes to Georgetown and would have been the #1 pick in the nba draft (as he was before his injury at UK) maybe he learns more skills in III Princeton and big man brotherhood which leads to a better NBA career. Regardless he could’ve helped us. We would have had: Starks dsr Trawick Whitington Otto Porter Lubick Hopkins Noels Bowen Hayes
We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
dont wanna talk about Noel bc he was playing a game. he wasn't going to GU - GU was a pawn. knowing what i know about Noel, he's a bit of a trickster. Speaking of Anthony Bennett - good example of how important "fit" is with a player and the prospects of his / her career. After scouting Bennett a bit he was an exceptional rebounder and had some skills he never got to show. Just too much pressure put on him. He was mentally compromised. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2023 21:16:22 GMT -5
We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
dont wanna talk about Noel bc he was playing a game. he wasn't going to GU - GU was a pawn. knowing what i know about Noel, he's a bit of a trickster. Speaking of Anthony Bennett - good example of how important "fit" is with a player and the prospects of his / her career. After scouting Bennett a bit he was an exceptional rebounder and had some skills he never got to show. Just too much pressure put on him. He was mentally compromised. Curious. What do you know? DM me. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2023 21:18:45 GMT -5
We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
After scouting Bennett a bit he was an exceptional rebounder and had some skills he never got to show. Just too much pressure put on him. He was mentally compromised. Same thing happened to Kwame Brown. All the yelling and intimidation by MJ destroyed the high school kids confidence and brain and I don’t think Kwame was able to ever reach his potential/ceiling. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2023 21:21:35 GMT -5
It’s more about the Fran Frachilla #Done Deal to Georgetown etc only to have it change in the last hour. This makes people weary about a high impact commitment until they get on the campus which is understandable. Noel’s would have made the nba at either school and though nothing special in the nba was in impact player for Kentucky before his freak injury. Maybe he doesn’t get injured if he goes to Georgetown and would have been the #1 pick in the nba draft (as he was before his injury at UK) maybe he learns more skills in III Princeton and big man brotherhood which leads to a better NBA career. Regardless he could’ve helped us. We would have had: Starks dsr Trawick Whitington Otto Porter Lubick Hopkins Noels Bowen Hayes We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
We would have also had the elite rim protector, elite athlete with cardio and offensive finisher that we didn’t have against Florida Gulf Coast team. Would have been able to stop their bigs who were dunking down low at will. |
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Post by tashoya on Apr 15, 2023 23:37:50 GMT -5
We can be bitter about it because we win the tournament with ease if Noel comes and we aren't forced to play a completely out of position and not ready Mikael Hopkins at center all year. Also Noel would have actually made the tournament in his only year in college, and probably remained the #1 pick instead of Anthony Bennett if he doesn't tear hs ACL. That haircut was just a lose-lose-lose all around.
We would have also had the elite rim protector, elite athlete with cardio and offensive finisher that we didn’t have against Florida Gulf Coast team. Would have been able to stop their bigs who were dunking down low at will. You have a lot of certainty based on a guy that didn't win a thing in college with plenty of talent around him. He went on to then win absolutely nothing at the pro level. I get that he had skills that would've helped the team. But, there is no guarantee, based on his own history, that he would have lead a team to tournament wins. He proved himself wildly overrated and, yes, injury prone. Also, elite offensive finisher? I'm not sure we're talking about the same dude. He was very good in his very brief college career. He wasn't elite at anything in the end. |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Apr 16, 2023 0:36:31 GMT -5
I don’t want to keep rehashing 2012 but we had a great defense that year. Imagine if we had Nerlens…
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2023 5:58:12 GMT -5
We would have also had the elite rim protector, elite athlete with cardio and offensive finisher that we didn’t have against Florida Gulf Coast team. Would have been able to stop their bigs who were dunking down low at will. You have a lot of certainty based on a guy that didn't win a thing in college with plenty of talent around him. He went on to then win absolutely nothing at the pro level. I get that he had skills that would've helped the team. But, there is no guarantee, based on his own history, that he would have lead a team to tournament wins. He proved himself wildly overrated and, yes, injury prone. Also, elite offensive finisher? I'm not sure we're talking about the same dude. He was very good in his very brief college career. He wasn't elite at anything in the end. He was a .590 Fg finisher at UK. That is elite at the college level. We had Mikael Hopkins at .409 Fg (below average for a big man) and Lubick who was afraid to shoot. Noel did great at UK. 9.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.1 steals (elite for a center), 4.4 blocks (elite), 10 points He injured his ACl on Feb 12th. On a freak play where he had a run down block on a fast break and then ran into the stanchion. They had won five straight before that game and 7 of 8. After the injury they were 4-6 and the team folded up. Gamelog: barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?t=Kentucky&p=Nerlens+Noel&year=2013He would have been more valuable to us because of the upgrade to what we had and the fact that we don’t have 7 odd McDonald’s guys like UK. I think it’s fair to say he would have made a huge difference for us and was the one piece we were missing on our last talented and highly ranked team. |
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Post by bluechi on Apr 16, 2023 6:49:51 GMT -5
We would have also had the elite rim protector, elite athlete with cardio and offensive finisher that we didn’t have against Florida Gulf Coast team. Would have been able to stop their bigs who were dunking down low at will. You have a lot of certainty based on a guy that didn't win a thing in college with plenty of talent around him. He went on to then win absolutely nothing at the pro level. I get that he had skills that would've helped the team. But, there is no guarantee, based on his own history, that he would have lead a team to tournament wins. He proved himself wildly overrated and, yes, injury prone. Also, elite offensive finisher? I'm not sure we're talking about the same dude. He was very good in his very brief college career. He wasn't elite at anything in the end. Yes also he has proven to be a bit injury prone |
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Post by bluechi on Apr 16, 2023 6:52:08 GMT -5
You have a lot of certainty based on a guy that didn't win a thing in college with plenty of talent around him. He went on to then win absolutely nothing at the pro level. I get that he had skills that would've helped the team. But, there is no guarantee, based on his own history, that he would have lead a team to tournament wins. He proved himself wildly overrated and, yes, injury prone. Also, elite offensive finisher? I'm not sure we're talking about the same dude. He was very good in his very brief college career. He wasn't elite at anything in the end. He was a .590 Fg finisher at UK. That is elite at the college level. We had Mikael Hopkins at .409 Fg (below average for a big man) and Lubick who was afraid to shoot. Noel did great at UK. 9.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.1 steals (elite for a center), 4.4 blocks (elite), 10 points He injured his ACl on Feb 12th. On a freak play where he had a run down block on a fast break and then ran into the stanchion. They had won five straight before that game and 7 of 8. After the injury they were 4-6 and the team folded up. Gamelog: barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?t=Kentucky&p=Nerlens+Noel&year=2013He would have been more valuable to us because of the upgrade to what we had and the fact that we don’t have 7 odd McDonald’s guys like UK. I think it’s fair to say he would have made a huge difference for us and was the one piece we were missing on our last talented and highly ranked team. Def was talented. Never saw anthony davis arc though tho some of his stats were better |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2023 9:14:52 GMT -5
He was a .590 Fg finisher at UK. That is elite at the college level. We had Mikael Hopkins at .409 Fg (below average for a big man) and Lubick who was afraid to shoot. Noel did great at UK. 9.5 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 2.1 steals (elite for a center), 4.4 blocks (elite), 10 points He injured his ACl on Feb 12th. On a freak play where he had a run down block on a fast break and then ran into the stanchion. They had won five straight before that game and 7 of 8. After the injury they were 4-6 and the team folded up. Gamelog: barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?t=Kentucky&p=Nerlens+Noel&year=2013He would have been more valuable to us because of the upgrade to what we had and the fact that we don’t have 7 odd McDonald’s guys like UK. I think it’s fair to say he would have made a huge difference for us and was the one piece we were missing on our last talented and highly ranked team. Def was talented. Never saw anthony davis arc though tho some of his stats were better I said when he was in high school that he would have to be a defensive stretch 4 or defensive small forward to be an impact player in the nBa. He’s just too skinny and has a small frame and narrow shoulders to put on any weight or mass like AD who has very wide shoulders. Noel was agile and quick enough that he could guard 4s and even 3s (with his length being able to cover for mistakes) At worst he could have been a Tayshaun Prince type defensive small forward. However he would’ve had to gain some stretch 4 and small forward skills. And he wasn’t going to get that at UK/Calipari. III and the Princeton would have been the perfect situation for him to develop the passing, driving and shooting skills to complement what he already had. Jeff Green, Henry Sims, Roy Hibbert, Otto Porter type offensive skills development. Even one year would have helped but two years under III and in the long run he would have been a much better player and made even more money in the NBA. But he only saw the short term and took the money and ran. |
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Post by 617hoya on Apr 16, 2023 13:06:45 GMT -5
Y’all gotta get outside or something.
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Post by hibbertfor3 on Apr 18, 2023 17:09:41 GMT -5
Y’all gotta get outside or something. Hahaha. You aren’t here for Nate Lubick stats? |
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Post by biggmanu on Apr 18, 2023 21:41:32 GMT -5
Should we all start chanting Thunder-Snow and forget this thread or Noel ever existed
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