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Post by daveg023 on Apr 7, 2023 7:35:12 GMT -5
So we know right now the following:
Dec 2 vs TCU TBD vs Syracuse TBD at B10 opponent
I don’t believe any home/home series remain plus we have not been added to any MTEs yet.
Cooley’s historical OOC scheduling at PC wasn’t exactly the strongest, so I’m hoping now he has the ability to step it up. Let’s also hope he can make amends with Nike and get us back in the PK90 in a couple of years. Also, TBD if he and Willard can come to an agreement about a UMD series.
Ideally we get in a decent MTE. Looks like Maui field is set, but historically other good fields have been Atlantis, Disney, and Vegas.
If we have a good MTE where we’ll play at least 2 P6 teams, plus TCU, Syracuse, a mid tier B10 team (say Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois), and maybe a UMD game, I think that’s a pretty solid slate. Then you will have your usual local suspects like American, UMBC, Howard, etc. I’d just try to eliminate the Coppin St, UMES, NC AT&Ts of the world. Try to keep the +300 type of teams off the schedule.
Obviously we don’t know the roster yet but the goal should be a schedule that has 5-7 quality win (Q1 or Q2) opportunities and then 6-7 mostly Q3 type of opponents we shouldn’t lose to. To me if we want to go into the BE dreaming of being a bubble team in March, in my opinion if we went 9-4 against that type of schedule we’d be alive.
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Post by jpj on Apr 7, 2023 17:22:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know Coach Cooley's perspective on exhibition games vs Secret Scrimmages?
as a fan and also considering how far the program and fan allegiance has dropped under Ewing, I would definitely favor 2 Exhibition games - Maryland and Virginia or Virginia Tech on the 2 Saturdays before the first day of the schedule season
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 7, 2023 17:28:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know Coach Cooley's perspective on exhibition games vs Secret Scrimmages? as a fan and also considering how far the program and fan allegiance has dropped under Ewing, I would definitely favor 2 Exhibition games - Maryland and Virginia or Virginia Tech on the 2 Saturdays before the first day of the schedule season Last season PC had a intrasquad scrimmage and two exhibitions at the former Providence Civic Center. Exhibitions must be against lower division opponents only. Intrasquad Scrimmage (attendance: 2,134) Exhibition vs. D-II American Int'l (attendance 3,583) Exhibition vs. D-II Assumption (attendance 3,656) Put those three in McDonough and they could sell it out, and not with this 2,200 seat setup, either. And while we're at it...Homecoming is Saturday, Oct. 21. Football at 3:00 vs. Colgate How about a scrimmage at 7:00? (Two for the price of one.)
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Post by jpj on Apr 7, 2023 17:33:14 GMT -5
Quick Analysis
31 game regular season 2 exhibitions or secret scrimmages
constrained by a 16-game home contract with Cap One -- 2023-24 SCHEDULE 12/02: TCU TBA: SYRACUSE TBA: at Big 10 opp. TBA: BUTLER TBA: at Butler TBA: CONNECTICUT TBA: at Connecticut TBA: CREIGHTON TBA: at Creighton TBA: DEPAUL TBA: at DePaul TBA: MARQUETTE TBA: at Marquette TBA: PROVIDENCE TBA: at Providence TBA: ST. JOHN'S TBA: at St. John's TBA: SETON HALL TBA: at Seton Hall TBA: VILLANOVA TBA: at Villanova TBA: XAVIER TBA: at Xavier TBA: 8 non-conf.games
== currently at 12 home games - 10 BE, TCU, Syracuse with 8 non-conference games to be set
therefore 4 of the non-conference games must be home games (to meet the 16 game CapOne Contract)
leaving a 3 game MTE option and 1 away game to be set
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Post by jpj on Apr 7, 2023 17:38:58 GMT -5
Thank you DFW HOYA hoya now i understand why some coaches prefer the Secret Scrimmages vs comparable Div I teams vs Open exhibitions vs Div II (or lower) teams Maybe exhibitions vs the Div II National Champs and Runner ups on Campus would fit the bill?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 7, 2023 17:43:20 GMT -5
currently at 12 home games - 10 BE, TCU, Syracuse with 8 non-conference games to be set therefore 4 of the non-conference games must be home games (to meet the 16 game CapOne Contract) leaving a 3 game MTE option and 1 away game to be set I think MTE's are a net waste of time, the Jamaica Classic having been poorly attended by GU fans and mostly a thing for Ewing to play there. It's less about competition and more for ESPN to fill time over Thanksgiving. I'd rather see a game for students at McD and two strong road games as JT III successfully did from 2005-10, when Georgetown went on the road to places like Illinois, Oregon, Michigan, Old Dominion, Vanderbilt, Duke, Tulane, Navy, James Madison, and even to play a rookie coach at Fairfield, all of which made his teams better. That said, there are stories out that some schools are redirecting its MTE event payouts to support collectives. Georgetown still has no formal collective no matter what we may otherwise expect, think, or assume, but that's for another topic.
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Post by jpj on Apr 7, 2023 18:25:31 GMT -5
currently at 12 home games - 10 BE, TCU, Syracuse with 8 non-conference games to be set therefore 4 of the non-conference games must be home games (to meet the 16 game CapOne Contract) leaving a 3 game MTE option and 1 away game to be set I think MTE's are a net waste of time, the Jamaica Classic having been poorly attended by GU fans and mostly a thing for Ewing to play there. It's less about competition and more for ESPN to fill time over Thanksgiving. I'd rather see a game for students at McD and two strong road games as JT III successfully did from 2005-10, when Georgetown went on the road to places like Illinois, Oregon, Michigan, Old Dominion, Vanderbilt, Duke, Tulane, Navy, James Madison, and even to play a rookie coach at Fairfield, all of which made his teams better. That said, there are stories out that some schools are redirecting its MTE event payouts to support collectives. Georgetown still has no formal collective no matter what we may otherwise expect, think, or assume, but that's for another topic. I wholly agree, BUT is it a recruiting tool to say that you will spend a week in Jamaica or Bahamas or Hawaii and I am unsure about the levels of payouts but i know from watching on TV that many are sparsely attended as a fan I would much rather see a Holiday Tournament held at Cap One but featuring good, nationally prominent teams, with a "local" fan base to generate near sell outs say a 1-day doubleheader featuring something like Georgetown, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Penn State
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 7, 2023 21:04:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know Coach Cooley's perspective on exhibition games vs Secret Scrimmages? as a fan and also considering how far the program and fan allegiance has dropped under Ewing, I would definitely favor 2 Exhibition games - Maryland and Virginia or Virginia Tech on the 2 Saturdays before the first day of the schedule season by rule, Exhibition games can only be vs D 2 or lower teams , though international exhibitions may be ok, and offer the best competition.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 9, 2023 16:13:38 GMT -5
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Post by Just Cos on Apr 10, 2023 2:20:10 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro MTE. I’ve been to several living in the DMV and as a left coaster. Selfishly I love these events because you get incredible access to the team (weird statement for Georgetown), basically front row seats to high level basketball, and they’re typically in awesome locations.
It’s probably not ok to have this opinion because in these tournaments it means only entitled fans get to go (and that’s accurate), but from my experience the players love it. These tournaments are moments in their lives, just like it is for the fans. And creating moments in my opinion is awesome.
On top of that, when you’re good you get to play good teams in these tournaments. From a scheduling perspective it’s a win. I’m not talking about Jamaica. Back in the day it you wanted Maui or alaska. Now there are more that provide an incredible field of teams.
DFW, you said you don’t like it but you only said what you’d prefer instead. I’m just curious why you don’t like it?
I will always go to Maui or the Bahamas. Guaranteed awesome basketball. Best seat in the house. Interact with fans from teams that the Hoyas typically don’t schedule. Location is fantastic. The other tournaments I’ve been to are ok and could have a good conversation on whether it was worth it.
Pulling out of the PK80 was unforgivable in my opinion. Can’t say this enough.
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Post by hoyajmw on Apr 10, 2023 6:42:16 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro MTE. I’ve been to several living in the DMV and as a left coaster. Selfishly I love these events because you get incredible access to the team (weird statement for Georgetown), basically front row seats to high level basketball, and they’re typically in awesome locations. It’s probably not ok to have this opinion because in these tournaments it means only entitled fans get to go (and that’s accurate), but from my experience the players love it. These tournaments are moments in their lives, just like it is for the fans. And creating moments in my opinion is awesome. On top of that, when you’re good you get to play good teams in these tournaments. From a scheduling perspective it’s a win. I’m not talking about Jamaica. Back in the day it you wanted Maui or alaska. Now there are more that provide an incredible field of teams. DFW, you said you don’t like it but you only said what you’d prefer instead. I’m just curious why you don’t like it? I will always go to Maui or the Bahamas. Guaranteed awesome basketball. Best seat in the house. Interact with fans from teams that the Hoyas typically don’t schedule. Location is fantastic. The other tournaments I’ve been to are ok and could have a good conversation on whether it was worth it. Pulling out of the PK80 was unforgivable in my opinion. Can’t say this enough. X1000, especially the last paragraph.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 10, 2023 10:15:30 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro MTE. I’ve been to several living in the DMV and as a left coaster. Selfishly I love these events because you get incredible access to the team (weird statement for Georgetown), basically front row seats to high level basketball, and they’re typically in awesome locations. It’s probably not ok to have this opinion because in these tournaments it means only entitled fans get to go (and that’s accurate), but from my experience the players love it. These tournaments are moments in their lives, just like it is for the fans. And creating moments in my opinion is awesome. On top of that, when you’re good you get to play good teams in these tournaments. From a scheduling perspective it’s a win. I’m not talking about Jamaica. Back in the day it you wanted Maui or alaska. Now there are more that provide an incredible field of teams. DFW, you said you don’t like it but you only said what you’d prefer instead. I’m just curious why you don’t like it? Two issues: 1. There are (maybe) three or four MTEs worth the hype: Maui Invitational, Empire Classic, and a couple others, but the rest are either tourist efforts (Jamaica Classic) or a collection of disparate teams largely to fill ESPN's afternoon programming. From what we know, Georgetown isn't slated in any of the major events and I'm not sure that playing a Longwood or a Morehead State in the "Hostilo Community Classic" or the "Fort Myers Tip-Off" does much. The Maui Invitational brings viewers and quality opponents, but that's already booked through November 2024. 2. Very few Georgetown fans can (or would) travel to the Cayman Islands or the Bahamas for a game, and it's part of a larger trend where poor play and institutional arrogance has eviscerated the idea of Georgetown fans traveling to road games in any noticeable number. A couple of noteworthy home and away series in the Northeast would be a start where fans could rediscover the fun of a road game and not be left to watch games on a streaming service, and then rebuild the ties with the local alumni clubs that give them incentive to attend Big East road games.
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 12, 2023 14:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 12, 2023 14:56:15 GMT -5
I’m pretty “eh” when it comes to an MTE, but I would absolutely love a DMV MTE. That would absolutely sell out at least a few games at cap one. You know uva/vtech would love a chance to come and flex in front of a massive crowd/potential recruits in DC.
4-8 teams Always: UMD, Georgetown If they can/want: UVA, Vtech Depending on the size of the tournament and if limited space then invite based on previous overall season performance: GW, American, Mason, VCU, and Howard
You can even make it every other year so you can keep doing the cool trips that players might like. Maui, the Bahamas, and PK aren’t negatives at all obviously but if you really want an actually home court advantage, you can’t just pander to the rich fans but make it exciting and local even if it is every other year.
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Post by bills on Apr 12, 2023 17:13:47 GMT -5
I like this idea. 8 teams playing 3 games.
I am a purist so I think the 5 schools inside the beltway and Mason need to be invited every time. Fill the other two spots, and more if any of the 6 base teams declines the invitation with schools from the larger DMV.
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2023 17:20:38 GMT -5
I’m pretty “eh” when it comes to an MTE, but I would absolutely love a DMV MTE. That would absolutely sell out at least a few games at cap one. You know uva/vtech would love a chance to come and flex in front of a massive crowd/potential recruits in DC. 4-8 teams Always: UMD, Georgetown If they can/want: UVA, Vtech Depending on the size of the tournament and if limited space then invite based on previous overall season performance: GW, American, Mason, VCU, and Howard You can even make it every other year so you can keep doing the cool trips that players might like. Maui, the Bahamas, and PK aren’t negatives at all obviously but if you really want an actually home court advantage, you can’t just pander to the rich fans but make it exciting and local even if it is every other year. I'd rather play UMD every year and schedule a couple of the second tier options (GW, American, GMU, VCU, Howard, etc) annually depending on fit than be in a DMV-centric tournament. Being in a DMV-tournament may mean you don't play UMD because of draw or results. That would stink.
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 12, 2023 17:46:13 GMT -5
I’m pretty “eh” when it comes to an MTE, but I would absolutely love a DMV MTE. That would absolutely sell out at least a few games at cap one. You know uva/vtech would love a chance to come and flex in front of a massive crowd/potential recruits in DC. 4-8 teams Always: UMD, Georgetown If they can/want: UVA, Vtech Depending on the size of the tournament and if limited space then invite based on previous overall season performance: GW, American, Mason, VCU, and Howard You can even make it every other year so you can keep doing the cool trips that players might like. Maui, the Bahamas, and PK aren’t negatives at all obviously but if you really want an actually home court advantage, you can’t just pander to the rich fans but make it exciting and local even if it is every other year. I'd rather play UMD every year and schedule a couple of the second tier options (GW, American, GMU, VCU, Howard, etc) annually depending on fit than be in a DMV-centric tournament. Being in a DMV-tournament may mean you don't play UMD because of draw or results. That would stink. That’s fair I’d take non confs of umd and GW every year. Gw should also be on the schedule as it’s an easy rivalry and they at least play in a decent conference. They got a big student body close to campus so could get a good turn out at cap one
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 13, 2023 6:38:40 GMT -5
Add me to the “we should play UMCP and WG” chorus. I know that the importance (or lack thereof) of local recruiting has been debated to death here, and the current consensus seems to be that “DMV kids want to go away to school.” But I think that building some local rivalries can change that. An annual GU-Maryland game should help build interest and hopefully convince some local prospects to stay home. Even if Maryland wins the first couple games or first few recruiting battles, the long-term effect will likely be positive. Plus it should be a reliable gate. Ditto GW (although hopefully we win a higher share against them).
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 13, 2023 6:55:43 GMT -5
We could be playing Maryland as early as next season. The game means more when both schools are ranked.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 13, 2023 10:20:58 GMT -5
On the talk of the MTE's, keep in mind that they allow you to play more games than you otherwise would be permitted to play under the rules. So, in that sense, you're not really fully "losing" games you otherwise would play domestically or not as part of the MTE's.
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