Class of 2027 Admissions

[DFW HOYA]

Acceptance Rates:

CAS: 12.3%
SFS: 15.0%
MSB: 12.0%
Nursing: 16.1%
Health: 11.7%
Overall: 13.0%

thehoya.com/georgetown-admits-13-of-applicants-to-undergraduate-class-of-2027/

[nbhoya]

How does overall compare to past?

[RusskyHoya]

Well, apparently the current student body (or, rather, a small subset) wants to drive those admission rates way down by moving to the CommonApp

[RusskyHoya]

Apr 1, 2023 10:18:59 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

How does overall compare to past?

For comparison, here was last year:

College: 11.4%
Nursing: 13.5%
SFS: 15.1%
MSB: 12.3%
Overall: 12%

[DFW HOYA]

For reasons previously discussed, the Common Application allows universities to artificially inflate its admissions pool and make money doing it. Georgetown is not getting any better applicants from the Common App, but likely a lot more who are simply checking a box and are going to be noncompetitive.

As noted on another thread, test-optional programs are a way to for schools to dip below their public SAT ranges to accept candidates and, especially where schools are need-aware, to choose on the basis of who will pay, regardless of test scores. Neither of these approaches are welcome at Georgetown.

And if you think test-optional is rife for scrutiny, meet the latest college offering: the Self-Reported Academic Record.

admissions.psu.edu/apply/srar/

[Bigs"R"Us]

Not something we can say out loud these days, but the SAT is actually a pretty good indicator of future achievement. In a world moving away from honors classes and rife with grade inflation, SATs allow for an apples-to-apples comparison. The math SAT score is a valuable piece of information for financial firms.

[RusskyHoya]

Maybe we just straight up make it a lottery! www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/4/19/23689402/college-admissions-lottery-ivy-league

[DFW HOYA]

Apr 19, 2023 15:51:12 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Maybe we just straight up make it a lottery! www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/4/19/23689402/college-admissions-lottery-ivy-league

Why would schools do this? It eliminates the ability of schools to self-select; or put in stark terms, a lot of average and well-below average kids could flood the lottery and end up making Ivy schools more, well, mediocre. Free education for a C average? Why not? A Princeton grad like Mr. Walsh may not have had this in mind.

Or some future-thinker with an eight figure bank account could argue for open admissions at all schools in the name of diversity and inclusion. Don't remind them what happened to City College of New York when that happened.

www.city-journal.org/article/downward-mobility

[RusskyHoya]

Apr 18, 2023 20:53:37 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Not something we can say out loud these days, but the SAT is actually a pretty good indicator of future achievement. In a world moving away from honors classes and rife with grade inflation, SATs allow for an apples-to-apples comparison. The math SAT score is a valuable piece of information for financial firms.

Definitely some people saying it out loud... but you have to really understand the field to come to this conclusion, and most of those folks keep quiet to keep using their knowledge to make a living.

For instance (I recommend reading the whole thread):

[Bigs"R"Us]

Very interesting. The smartest people I’ve read believe that a present father is more important than wealth in determining a child’s success.

[SSHoya]

Children from ultra-wealthy families are 2.9 times more likely to be accepted into Georgetown University compared to others with comparable test scores.

That's according to a new paper from a group of Harvard economists who study inequality.

www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/08/07/georgetown-admissions-advantage-report

[DFW HOYA]

Aug 8, 2023 7:27:44 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

Children from ultra-wealthy families are 2.9 times more likely to be accepted into Georgetown University compared to others with comparable test scores.

That's according to a new paper from a group of Harvard economists who study inequality.

Some thoughts:

1. There is a tangible market perception that students (and their families) can't afford Georgetown if they are not in the top 2% and for this many do not apply as a result. Of the 12 private schools listed as "Ivy Plus" (Ivies plus Chicago, Duke, MIT and Stanford), nine offer free tuition at a minimum household income. Georgetown doesn't, and frankly, can't.

2. Claiming that athletics is counter to a diverse admissions pool tends to miss a larger societal issue: schools with a broad based athletics program feature a lot of sports that are the so-called "country club" sports (tennis, golf, rowing, swimming, field hockey, lacrosse, etc.) which skew to higher-income schools. If you're from a rural high school, chances are good you're not going to be on the sailing team. Outside of a handful of sports (football, basketball, track), lower income and/or public schools do not sponsor a large variety of sports teams, often out of sheer cost.

3. Legacy status is not a factor solely at Ivy-like institutions. Twenty five percent of the incoming class of 2023 at Howard were legacy admits.

Short of arguing for 100% college admission by lottery, the idea of need-preferential admissions as advanced in this paper is a form of discrimination on its own, good intentions notwithstanding.

[DFW HOYA]

From the Twitter feed/graphics package that is Tony Altimore, accept rates and yield for the class of 2027 among Division I teams.

The disparity within the Big East is often overlooked.

[hoyaguy]

Dec 19, 2023 13:20:21 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

From the Twitter feed/graphics package that is Tony Altimore, accept rates and yield for the class of 2027 among Division I teams.

The disparity within the Big East is often overlooked.

On the other hand the distribution might look less weird if we had upwards of 19 teams listed like others lol. And I was puzzled why Hopkins was listed as Big 10 and was not surprised to see lacrosse is their only d1 sport and they get listed lmao that's so funny and typical. None of this matters, if someone really judges schools/academics or conferences and significantly connects the two then that's their delusion lmao. I don't see the point being made here. 

Another point is if we wanted a more evenly distributed conference then the only options are to downgrade conference/division, or sponsor football and get an invite. And in a horrible upside down world admin would be willing to downgrade at least conferences to cut costs and kill any power basketball has. The only "hope" for anyone who thinks this is important  is bringing in Duke if the ACC collapses (or even taking BC back ugh no) because no-one else fits the profile. Sports is about value and sure it would be cool to invite Rice if they were good at basketball but that makes no sense and making decisions based on that would not be wise. 

And correct me if I am wrong but declining acceptance rates across the board are an unstoppable combination of things: ease of applying multiple schools, SAT optionals, fee waivers in the name of lowering acceptance rates, aggressive marketing to minors including to internationals who pay full price, the ever expanding base of Americans who want/can go to college (due to in part career barriers, fomo, etc), and the better large state schools have caught up due to their own maximum capacities along with having somewhat of a captive audience due to their in state tuition rate aspect and the aforementioned growing population seeking an education. 

This is one of those rare cases where I like Georgetown just doing Georgetown things to keep improving, compete, ignore this nonsensical noise about conferences and race to the bottom acceptance rates via test optional and common app. I don't think anyone is going to confuse Vanderbilt and northeastern over acceptance rates lol

[happyhoya1979]

What I find striking are the yield rates for all these universities. Very few colleges actually get over the 50% barrier where they have more students say yes to an offer than no. The universities in the major athletic conferences set forth above are the cream of the 3000 four year universities in the country. I counted 24 schools altogether breaching the 50% rate and we miss slightly. These 24 plus a few outliers like the Curtis School of Music are out of the larger group of about 3000.

The education business is very, very competitive. It is only an upper 1%- that are masters of their applicant pools.

[Bigs"R"Us]

The Big East is a conference of academic misfits. We need the ACC to splinter.

[hoya9797]

Dec 19, 2023 16:21:19 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

The Big East is a conference of academic misfits. We need the ACC to splinter.

I’m sure the quiz bowl team has a problem with their academic peers but, for athletics, and that’s what’s the BE is for, who the F cares?

[Bigs"R"Us]

It matters who you align and associate with. It adds to the enjoyment of going to games when some of your friends attended opposing conference schools, like you see in the Ivies, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, etc.

[hoya9797]

Dec 19, 2023 21:09:00 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

It matters who you align and associate with. It adds to the enjoyment of going to games when some of your friends attended opposing conference schools, like you see in the Ivies, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, etc.

And, Syracuse has been our biggest rival for over 40 years. So, maybe it doesn’t actually matter at all.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Dec 19, 2023 21:20:58 GMT -5 hoya9797 said:

Dec 19, 2023 21:09:00 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

It matters who you align and associate with. It adds to the enjoyment of going to games when some of your friends attended opposing conference schools, like you see in the Ivies, Big 10, Pac 10, ACC, etc.

And, Syracuse has been our biggest rival for over 40 years. So, maybe it doesn’t actually matter at all.

Did you actually attend Georgetown?