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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2023 10:16:32 GMT -5
To remind folks of what he said: “I remember being like, when I get to Georgetown, I want to sell this thing out as much as possible,” said Ewing Jr. “I want our crowds to be hyped, because the college atmosphere that you see when you watch a Duke game at Cameron [Indoor Stadium], you see the students going like this and having fun, you want to play for people like that.” “But then you come to a Georgetown game sometimes and the student section is 300 students deep and you’re like, ‘Man, what am I playing for?’ I’m not even playing for Georgetown at this point because Georgetown isn’t even here supporting us.” * * * “I can’t say that in my 10 years here that the group [team] always felt they were supported,” continued Ewing Jr. “Like, I felt a lot of support when we were winning championships, but it’s easy to support the team that’s winning the championship.” “I felt a lot of support last year after the Big East Tournament that I didn’t feel the rest of the year. I felt a lot of support last year during the Big East Tournament that I don’t feel right now as we go through this little skid right now,” said Ewing Jr. “It’s always easy to support the winners. But can you support us when we’re not playing as great as we want to be?” * * * I get that Ewing Jr. was defending his father, but I also think Patrick Ewing Jr. is a massively biased person who will never look at things from the same perspective as most students, alumni, and fans. Unlike us, Ewing Jr. had access to the program. He was never shut out (other than the stupid narcissism policy), like Reggie Williams and other alumni. He was a quintessential insider. So, it's kind of rich for Ewing Jr. to be lecturing fans when his father and the program was not welcoming at all to student engagement and fan involvement. Cooley did more to foster goodwill with the students yesterday in one day than Patrick Ewing did in six years. Lastly, I would note that this was late January 2022, and the "little skid" that Patrick Ewing Jr. described would last another 1.5 seasons, essentially. I am so glad we are moving on from the Ewing era.
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Post by Omega on Mar 23, 2023 10:16:42 GMT -5
So what PE Jr called out fans. Can any of us say we haven't done something irrational in defense of a loved one. It's funny how so e of you were willing to give Patino a past for his past transgressions, but are willing to hold PE Jr account table for calling out fans... Give me a break... Why do we want or need him? What value does he add? If your argument is qualifications, then that's a different discussion than saying he is not wanted because he called out fans...
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Post by Omega on Mar 23, 2023 10:27:19 GMT -5
To remind folks of what he said: “I remember being like, when I get to Georgetown, I want to sell this thing out as much as possible,” said Ewing Jr. “I want our crowds to be hyped, because the college atmosphere that you see when you watch a Duke game at Cameron [Indoor Stadium], you see the students going like this and having fun, you want to play for people like that.” “But then you come to a Georgetown game sometimes and the student section is 300 students deep and you’re like, ‘Man, what am I playing for?’ I’m not even playing for Georgetown at this point because Georgetown isn’t even here supporting us.” * * * “I can’t say that in my 10 years here that the group [team] always felt they were supported,” continued Ewing Jr. “Like, I felt a lot of support when we were winning championships, but it’s easy to support the team that’s winning the championship.” “I felt a lot of support last year after the Big East Tournament that I didn’t feel the rest of the year. I felt a lot of support last year during the Big East Tournament that I don’t feel right now as we go through this little skid right now,” said Ewing Jr. “It’s always easy to support the winners. But can you support us when we’re not playing as great as we want to be?” * * * I get that Ewing Jr. was defending his father, but I also think Patrick Ewing Jr. is a massively biased person who will never look at things from the same perspective as most students, alumni, and fans. Unlike us, Ewing Jr. had access to the program. He was never shut out (other than the stupid narcissism policy), like Reggie Williams and other alumni. He was a quintessential insider. So, it's kind of rich for Ewing Jr. to be lecturing fans when his father and the program was not welcoming at all to student engagement and fan involvement. Cooley did more to foster goodwill with the students yesterday in one day than Patrick Ewing did in six years. Lastly, I would note that this was late January 2022, and the "little skid" that Patrick Ewing Jr. described would last another 1.5 seasons, essentially. I am so glad we are moving on from the Ewing era. Really, is that what you are holding against a 20 something year old whose frontal lobe may not be full developed as of yet...this is the same age group that has caused all of our auto insurance rates to increase because insurance companies know they can be irrational at times... 😂
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 23, 2023 10:51:36 GMT -5
To remind folks of what he said: “I remember being like, when I get to Georgetown, I want to sell this thing out as much as possible,” said Ewing Jr. “I want our crowds to be hyped, because the college atmosphere that you see when you watch a Duke game at Cameron [Indoor Stadium], you see the students going like this and having fun, you want to play for people like that.” “But then you come to a Georgetown game sometimes and the student section is 300 students deep and you’re like, ‘Man, what am I playing for?’ I’m not even playing for Georgetown at this point because Georgetown isn’t even here supporting us.” * * * “I can’t say that in my 10 years here that the group [team] always felt they were supported,” continued Ewing Jr. “Like, I felt a lot of support when we were winning championships, but it’s easy to support the team that’s winning the championship.” “I felt a lot of support last year after the Big East Tournament that I didn’t feel the rest of the year. I felt a lot of support last year during the Big East Tournament that I don’t feel right now as we go through this little skid right now,” said Ewing Jr. “It’s always easy to support the winners. But can you support us when we’re not playing as great as we want to be?” * * * I get that Ewing Jr. was defending his father, but I also think Patrick Ewing Jr. is a massively biased person who will never look at things from the same perspective as most students, alumni, and fans. Unlike us, Ewing Jr. had access to the program. He was never shut out (other than the stupid narcissism policy), like Reggie Williams and other alumni. He was a quintessential insider. So, it's kind of rich for Ewing Jr. to be lecturing fans when his father and the program was not welcoming at all to student engagement and fan involvement. Cooley did more to foster goodwill with the students yesterday in one day than Patrick Ewing did in six years. Lastly, I would note that this was late January 2022, and the "little skid" that Patrick Ewing Jr. described would last another 1.5 seasons, essentially. I am so glad we are moving on from the Ewing era. Really, is that what you are holding against a 20 something year old whose frontal lobe may not be full developed as of yet...this is the same age group that has caused all of our auto insurance rates to increase because insurance companies know they can be irrational at times... 😂 Per wikipedia, Patrick Ewing, Jr. was born on May 20, 1984. He was almost 38 when he made those comments.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 23, 2023 10:53:08 GMT -5
There is no need to keep anyone, coaching staff, administrators or players. Let Ed decide who has value. You keep too much and we won’t improve.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 10:55:11 GMT -5
There is no need to keep anyone, coaching staff, administrators or players. Let Ed decide who has value. You keep too much and we won’t improve. Yup you pretty much have to clean house for the staff and rostet and get rid of the losing mentality. If he doesn’t do that he’s a mediocre coach.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 23, 2023 10:59:43 GMT -5
It feels like Cooley is most likely going to bring over all 3 guys that were with him at PC. At minimum 2. I think it'll be more interesting to see what happens with the other staff positions. Under the previous administration in addition to the 3 "regular" assistants, we had:
-Chief of Staff (most recently RT)
-Special Assistant (most recently Orr)
-DOBO (most recently Howze)
-Assistant DoBO (most recently Irv Horne)
-Skills Coach (I forget the actual title of this and the name of the guy who was in the role most recently, but it was basically the position that used to be Crouch)
-Operations Assistant (what used to be Elijah Staley's role; more recently there was a woman in the position whose name I forget)
-Analytics Director, Video coordinator--we had these earlier in the Ewing era, not sure if we had them at the end.
In short, there seems to be a lot of headcount in men's basketball. Interested to see who gets a look. It sounds like LaDontae Henton is pretty highly thought of and Cooley may want to keep him around if he doesn't get a promotion this offseason (at PC or elsewhere). I'm OK with bringing in some former Hoyas selectively, but it needs to either be based on their resume (and NOT on their last name/connections), or it needs to be in an intro level position. No more unqualified/underqualified people getting jobs because of who they know. We need the absolute best people, regardless of where they went to college, and with the kind of money we appear to have in our budget based on the head coach's contract, we should be able to get them.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 11:05:45 GMT -5
It feels like Cooley is most likely going to bring over all 3 guys that were with him at PC. At minimum 2. I think it'll be more interesting to see what happens with the other staff positions. Under the previous administration in addition to the 3 "regular" assistants, we had: -Chief of Staff (most recently RT) -Special Assistant (most recently Orr) -DOBO (most recently Howze) -Assistant DoBO (most recently Irv Horne) -Skills Coach (I forget the actual title of this and the name of the guy who was in the role most recently, but it was basically the position that used to be Crouch) -Operations Assistant (what used to be Elijah Staley's role; more recently there was a woman in the position whose name I forget) -Analytics Director, Video coordinator--we had these earlier in the Ewing era, not sure if we had them at the end. In short, there seems to be a lot of headcount in men's basketball. Interested to see who gets a look. It sounds like LaDontae Henton is pretty highly thought of and Cooley may want to keep him around if he doesn't get a promotion this offseason (at PC or elsewhere). I'm OK with bringing in some former Hoyas selectively, but it needs to either be based on their resume (and NOT on their last name/connections), or it needs to be in an intro level position. No more unqualified/underqualified people getting jobs because of who they know. We need the absolute best people, regardless of where they went to college, and with the kind of money we appear to have in our budget based on the head coach's contract, we should be able to get them. Pretty sure Vernon Hamilton was the Skills Coach this past season. Bringing in the 3 core assistants from Providence would be huge, IMO. Those guys have been with Cooley for a long time and appear to be a well-oiled machine. I would love to see Cooley clean house with every position RB listed, personally.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 11:11:30 GMT -5
It feels like Cooley is most likely going to bring over all 3 guys that were with him at PC. At minimum 2. I think it'll be more interesting to see what happens with the other staff positions. Under the previous administration in addition to the 3 "regular" assistants, we had: -Chief of Staff (most recently RT) -Special Assistant (most recently Orr) -DOBO (most recently Howze) -Assistant DoBO (most recently Irv Horne) -Skills Coach (I forget the actual title of this and the name of the guy who was in the role most recently, but it was basically the position that used to be Crouch) -Operations Assistant (what used to be Elijah Staley's role; more recently there was a woman in the position whose name I forget) -Analytics Director, Video coordinator--we had these earlier in the Ewing era, not sure if we had them at the end. In short, there seems to be a lot of headcount in men's basketball. Interested to see who gets a look. It sounds like LaDontae Henton is pretty highly thought of and Cooley may want to keep him around if he doesn't get a promotion this offseason (at PC or elsewhere). I'm OK with bringing in some former Hoyas selectively, but it needs to either be based on their resume (and NOT on their last name/connections), or it needs to be in an intro level position. No more unqualified/underqualified people getting jobs because of who they know. We need the absolute best people, regardless of where they went to college, and with the kind of money we appear to have in our budget based on the head coach's contract, we should be able to get them. Pretty sure Vernon Hamilton was the Skills Coach this past season. Bringing in the 3 core assistants from Providence would be huge, IMO. Those guys have been with Cooley for a long time and appear to be a well-oiled machine. I would love to see Cooley clean house with every position RB listed, personally. Cooley isn’t messing around. He knows his bridge with the Providence fans and community is burned so he has to win now and win big. He’s not going to keep around people cause they are nice guys. This goes for the staff and the roster. If you actually listen to what he says he’s saying that he doesn’t want mentally soft players he doesn’t want them. He also said he’ll sit down with the current players to determine 1) if they really want to be here 2) if they are a good fit for him
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2023 11:15:57 GMT -5
Why do we want or need him? What value does he add? If your argument is qualifications, then that's a different discussion than saying he is not wanted because he called out fans... It can be both. Here, I would like to know the rationale for having him other than his last name.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 23, 2023 12:00:16 GMT -5
So what PE Jr called out fans. Can any of us say we haven't done something irrational in defense of a loved one. It's funny how so e of you were willing to give Patino a past for his past transgressions, but are willing to hold PE Jr account table for calling out fans... Give me a break... Personally in a professional environment, especially when on the record? No. Man was almost 40 years old and he was directly dissing our own fans when it was very obviously a Ewing problem so it’s insane to equate that to Pitino’s problems at different school. When the team is struggling and the fans have been obviously neglected, don’t slap them in the face and insult them more
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2023 12:49:31 GMT -5
Really, is that what you are holding against a 20 something year old whose frontal lobe may not be full developed as of yet...this is the same age group that has caused all of our auto insurance rates to increase because insurance companies know they can be irrational at times... 😂 As others have pointed out, Ewing Jr. was 38 and frankly, I think it is insulting for you to say that Patrick Ewing Jr.'s "frontal lobe may not be fully developed as of yet." (I expect you're going to claim you were joking, but I am skeptical of that.) Have you listened to interviews with him? He's clearly an intelligent smart guy, so your making excuses for anything Thompson/Ewing related falls flat. He absolutely was well aware of what he was saying. This isn't taking one sentence out of context - Ewing Jr.'s statements were extremely clear and thought through before he said them. Enough with the excuses. To take this back to the thread, Cooley should do what Cooley wants to do with no influence from anybody at Georgetown (unless Cooley asks for the advice). Put another way: Cooley has had significant more success over the last 10 years than anybody associated with Georgetown over that same decade. Cooley, not the people who failed at their job, should be driving the ship in all respects.
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 23, 2023 12:52:46 GMT -5
While I certainly understand the desire to clean house, let me just say there is no question there is a new sheriff in town and just like Ed said "if you're soft, grab a pillow and move on" he will say "if you're a pain in the side move along." To provide some more comfort, which I understand may be needed by a wary, PTSD fan base (I'm certainly one), it seemed very clear yesterday that Lee Reed has been given authority and really likes Ed a lot himself/and Lee is a good, smart guy, and I'm sure is not going to brooke any "that's not how we (used to) do it" nonsense from any holdovers. I mean, as much as WE have all chafed over the lingering hold of the old regime, how do you imagine Lee has felt?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 23, 2023 13:46:39 GMT -5
I will be okay as long as we do not get the assistant coaches from "He's Got Game." I am pretty sure they are headed to St. Johns.
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Post by Omega on Mar 23, 2023 16:56:51 GMT -5
Really, is that what you are holding against a 20 something year old whose frontal lobe may not be full developed as of yet...this is the same age group that has caused all of our auto insurance rates to increase because insurance companies know they can be irrational at times... 😂 As others have pointed out, Ewing Jr. was 38 and frankly, I think it is insulting for you to say that Patrick Ewing Jr.'s "frontal lobe may not be fully developed as of yet." (I expect you're going to claim you were joking, but I am skeptical of that.) Have you listened to interviews with him? He's clearly an intelligent smart guy, so your making excuses for anything Thompson/Ewing related falls flat. He absolutely was well aware of what he was saying. This isn't taking one sentence out of context - Ewing Jr.'s statements were extremely clear and thought through before he said them. Enough with the excuses. To take this back to the thread, Cooley should do what Cooley wants to do with no influence from anybody at Georgetown (unless Cooley asks for the advice). Put another way: Cooley has had significant more success over the last 10 years than anybody associated with Georgetown over that same decade. Cooley, not the people who failed at their job, should be driving the ship in all respects. Here goes the Fox News spin. You dislike Ewing Jr because you don't like a comment he made about fans. Then you note he is privileged. I point out that when he said I remember, he was speaking of his playing days when he was a 19/20 something year old young person. Frontal lobes do not develop until later in your 20s... So you get called on your thinly veiled post and try to spin it as if I'm insulting Ewing jr. Too much Tucker Carlson ...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2023 17:37:04 GMT -5
As others have pointed out, Ewing Jr. was 38 and frankly, I think it is insulting for you to say that Patrick Ewing Jr.'s "frontal lobe may not be fully developed as of yet." (I expect you're going to claim you were joking, but I am skeptical of that.) Have you listened to interviews with him? He's clearly an intelligent smart guy, so your making excuses for anything Thompson/Ewing related falls flat. He absolutely was well aware of what he was saying. This isn't taking one sentence out of context - Ewing Jr.'s statements were extremely clear and thought through before he said them. Enough with the excuses. To take this back to the thread, Cooley should do what Cooley wants to do with no influence from anybody at Georgetown (unless Cooley asks for the advice). Put another way: Cooley has had significant more success over the last 10 years than anybody associated with Georgetown over that same decade. Cooley, not the people who failed at their job, should be driving the ship in all respects. Here goes the Fox News spin. You dislike Ewing Jr because you don't like a comment he made about fans. Then you note he is privileged. I point out that when he said I remember, he was speaking of his playing days when he was a 19/20 something year old young person. Frontal lobes do not develop until later in your 20s... So you get called on your thinly veiled post and try to spin it as if I'm insulting Ewing jr. Too much Tucker Carlson ... For what it's worth, I don't "dislike Ewing Jr." I don't like his comment, but I still like him. He was a key part of our Final Four--heck, I even said that when Ewing was hired and Ewing Jr. was forced to leave for nepotism rule reasons that it made no sense since he was already on staff before his father. This post is ridiculous, and the attempt to infuse this with political assumptions (that aren't even true) is absurd. You said what you said, and everybody can read it.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 23, 2023 20:26:42 GMT -5
To remind folks of what he said: “I remember being like, when I get to Georgetown, I want to sell this thing out as much as possible,” said Ewing Jr. “I want our crowds to be hyped, because the college atmosphere that you see when you watch a Duke game at Cameron [Indoor Stadium], you see the students going like this and having fun, you want to play for people like that.” “But then you come to a Georgetown game sometimes and the student section is 300 students deep and you’re like, ‘Man, what am I playing for?’ I’m not even playing for Georgetown at this point because Georgetown isn’t even here supporting us.” * * * “I can’t say that in my 10 years here that the group [team] always felt they were supported,” continued Ewing Jr. “Like, I felt a lot of support when we were winning championships, but it’s easy to support the team that’s winning the championship.” “I felt a lot of support last year after the Big East Tournament that I didn’t feel the rest of the year. I felt a lot of support last year during the Big East Tournament that I don’t feel right now as we go through this little skid right now,” said Ewing Jr. “It’s always easy to support the winners. But can you support us when we’re not playing as great as we want to be?” * * * I get that Ewing Jr. was defending his father, but I also think Patrick Ewing Jr. is a massively biased person who will never look at things from the same perspective as most students, alumni, and fans. Unlike us, Ewing Jr. had access to the program. He was never shut out (other than the stupid narcissism policy), like Reggie Williams and other alumni. He was a quintessential insider. So, it's kind of rich for Ewing Jr. to be lecturing fans when his father and the program was not welcoming at all to student engagement and fan involvement. Cooley did more to foster goodwill with the students yesterday in one day than Patrick Ewing did in six years. Lastly, I would note that this was late January 2022, and the "little skid" that Patrick Ewing Jr. described would last another 1.5 seasons, essentially. I am so glad we are moving on from the Ewing era. The comments ere extremely ill-advised.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 23, 2023 20:32:47 GMT -5
Pretty sure Vernon Hamilton was the Skills Coach this past season. Bringing in the 3 core assistants from Providence would be huge, IMO. Those guys have been with Cooley for a long time and appear to be a well-oiled machine. I would love to see Cooley clean house with every position RB listed, personally. Cooley isn’t messing around. He knows his bridge with the Providence fans and community is burned so he has to win now and win big. He’s not going to keep around people cause they are nice guys. This goes for the staff and the roster. If you actually listen to what he says he’s saying that he doesn’t want mentally soft players he doesn’t want them. He also said he’ll sit down with the current players to determine 1) if they really want to be here 2) if they are a good fit for him It seems to me that we could really use a local guy who is a very good (DMV) recruiter.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 21:03:24 GMT -5
Cooley isn’t messing around. He knows his bridge with the Providence fans and community is burned so he has to win now and win big. He’s not going to keep around people cause they are nice guys. This goes for the staff and the roster. If you actually listen to what he says he’s saying that he doesn’t want mentally soft players he doesn’t want them. He also said he’ll sit down with the current players to determine 1) if they really want to be here 2) if they are a good fit for him It seems to me that we could really use a local guy who is a very good (DMV) recruiter. Ivan Thomas is a DMV guy as he was a prominent coach with Boo Williams prior to going to Providence. He’s likely to be more effective than previous DMV coaches on staff Nickelberry and Waheed.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 21:28:29 GMT -5
Cooley isn’t messing around. He knows his bridge with the Providence fans and community is burned so he has to win now and win big. He’s not going to keep around people cause they are nice guys. This goes for the staff and the roster. If you actually listen to what he says he’s saying that he doesn’t want mentally soft players he doesn’t want them. He also said he’ll sit down with the current players to determine 1) if they really want to be here 2) if they are a good fit for him It seems to me that we could really use a local guy who is a very good (DMV) recruiter. Cooley said it best when he stated the staff would visit & build relationships with the local HS & AAU programs. If he has a staff that's on the same page & hard workers the way they were @ PC they'll be fine recruiting-wise. I'd rather have the strongest coaching/teaching staff possible
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