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Post by hoya73 on Mar 23, 2023 10:33:27 GMT -5
I buy into the rap on Murray's "body language" less than people who mostly saw him on tv, where that became a lazy talking point. I think Murray is one of those guys who likes to talk, including, respectfully, to refs. the game where he first got the label, a pregame attempted conversation with a ref was rudely shut down by the ref. Course, I used to get in trouble for talking in class, so, I empathize somewhat. I saw hm play hard through obvious pain with a back injury that lingered, late season, and affected his shot.. It did drive me nuts when he talked while taking, and missing, free throws.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 10:37:01 GMT -5
I buy into the rap on Murray's "body language" less than people who mostly saw him on tv, where that became a lazy talking point. I think Murray is one of those guys who likes to talk, including, respectfully, to refs. the game where he first got the label, a pregame attempted conversation with a ref was rudely shut down by the ref. Course, I used to get in trouble for talking in class, so, I empathize somewhat. I saw hm play hard through obvious pain with a back injury that lingered, late season, and affected his shot.. It did drive me nuts when he talked while taking, and missing, free throws. He was always blaming other teammates for his bad passes. As the team leader that sets a bad example.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 23, 2023 10:44:49 GMT -5
Overall, pretty similar I'd say, and my eye test and intuition tells me that the talent difference between the two teams is very little despite the pronounced difference in results. The main difference is that Marquette had vastly better coaching and had players who bought in and who played like a team.
This is all just something I'm bearing in mind as we watch the roster for next season come together, via the portal, hs recruiting and retention of some players from our own squad. I'm less concerned about getting the biggest names, the most eye popping athletes, the transfers who averaged the most ppg last year or the high schoolers with the most stars next to their names. We want the best people who are also good players, and who buy in completely to Coach Cooley's vision for the team. End of story. Ewing looked lost out there, yelling REBOUND can only go but so far. As it seems the players phased him out, and he looked tapped out.
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 23, 2023 10:57:22 GMT -5
I buy into the rap on Murray's "body language" less than people who mostly saw him on tv, where that became a lazy talking point. I think Murray is one of those guys who likes to talk, including, respectfully, to refs. the game where he first got the label, a pregame attempted conversation with a ref was rudely shut down by the ref. Course, I used to get in trouble for talking in class, so, I empathize somewhat. I saw hm play hard through obvious pain with a back injury that lingered, late season, and affected his shot.. It did drive me nuts when he talked while taking, and missing, free throws. He was always blaming other teammates for his bad passes. As the team leader that sets a bad example. I was in 109 and didn't hear much of exactly what he said. You must have had better seats, or...not.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 10:59:18 GMT -5
He was always blaming other teammates for his bad passes. As the team leader that sets a bad example. I was in 109 and didn't hear much of exactly what he said. You must have had better seats, or...not. When you point your finger at someone after a bad pass and have a disgusted look on your face it’s pretty self explanatory
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Post by calhoya on Mar 23, 2023 11:18:51 GMT -5
Cooley said he believes in second and third chances. If he sees talent and Murray realizes that this may be the best platform for him going forward then it's a fit and it works. Same for every other player on this team. First and foremost they must be someone that Cooley feels will fit. My only hope is that Murray can find at least one guard and one wing who can consistently hit the deep shot.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 11:27:17 GMT -5
Cooley said he believes in second and third chances. If he sees talent and Murray realizes that this may be the best platform for him going forward then it's a fit and it works. Same for every other player on this team. First and foremost they must be someone that Cooley feels will fit. My only hope is that Murray can find at least one guard and one wing who can consistently hit the deep shot. I wouldn’t get too attached to any of our players from this season. Cooley wants mentally strong guys who do not wilt under adversity. If you look at his players they are all highly athletic, physically strong, high motor, tough with a bit of nastiness. He already said yesterday that If you are soft go get a pillow cause we don’t want you. Bristol for example was one of my favorite bench players from last year. Does all the little things, positioning, boxing out, hustle. He’s quick and fairly athletic with a decent skill set but not physically strong and sometimes gets overexcited. So I don’t think he’ll be a good fit for what Cooley is looking for.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 11:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 23, 2023 11:55:15 GMT -5
He is talented- best of luck to him.
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Post by bluechi on Mar 23, 2023 12:19:26 GMT -5
Cooley said he believes in second and third chances. If he sees talent and Murray realizes that this may be the best platform for him going forward then it's a fit and it works. Same for every other player on this team. First and foremost they must be someone that Cooley feels will fit. My only hope is that Murray can find at least one guard and one wing who can consistently hit the deep shot. I wouldn’t get too attached to any of our players from this season. Cooley wants mentally strong guys who do not wilt under adversity. If you look at his players they are all highly athletic, physically strong, high motor, tough with a bit of nastiness. He already said yesterday that If you are soft go get a pillow cause we don’t want you. Bristol for example was one of my favorite bench players from last year. Does all the little things, positioning, boxing out, hustle. He’s quick and fairly athletic with a decent skill set but not physically strong and sometimes gets overexcited. So I don’t think he’ll be a good fit for what Cooley is looking for. Agreed about Bristol.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2023 12:31:30 GMT -5
Cooley said he believes in second and third chances. If he sees talent and Murray realizes that this may be the best platform for him going forward then it's a fit and it works. Same for every other player on this team. First and foremost they must be someone that Cooley feels will fit. My only hope is that Murray can find at least one guard and one wing who can consistently hit the deep shot. I wouldn’t get too attached to any of our players from this season. Cooley wants mentally strong guys who do not wilt under adversity. If you look at his players they are all highly athletic, physically strong, high motor, tough with a bit of nastiness. He already said yesterday that If you are soft go get a pillow cause we don’t want you. Bristol for example was one of my favorite bench players from last year. Does all the little things, positioning, boxing out, hustle. He’s quick and fairly athletic with a decent skill set but not physically strong and sometimes gets overexcited. So I don’t think he’ll be a good fit for what Cooley is looking for. I hope you’re not suggesting Cooley might “run off” some players. Can’t have that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2023 12:40:01 GMT -5
I really want Akok to stay on the roster because I think he's a really valuable player, and I think he plays a position of need. Beyond Akok, we really do not have any forwards that can play that role, plus he's really good at it. I think in a better defensive/offensive system, he could really shine.
Otherwise, I really will trust Cooley. As for Murray's poor body language, I really did not like it. And I didn't like Spears' hero-ball. But, in both cases, I think the culture around the program and coaching they were getting likely contributed to both of those results. If Cooley feels like he can mold both of them, then I am fine with their staying, but I wouldn't be disappointed if they left, either.
I know iowa80's comment was likely sarcasm, but I truly think in this case there's no such thing as a "run off." I do think Georgetown has an obligation to give guys a scholarship/take care of them if they want to go to school at Georgetown. But, if they do not mesh with Cooley, if they aren't where Cooley wants them academically, or they aren't going to buy into his system, they can either continue as students-only at Georgetown or transfer. I know that sounds tough, but it's the reality of a coaching change.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 23, 2023 12:59:24 GMT -5
So, Cooley is looking to bring in at a maximum of 5 bodies to add to this roster?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 23, 2023 13:48:18 GMT -5
That sounds about right.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 14:25:33 GMT -5
"The new memo will have a major impact on the 2023 transfer portal cycle. The coaching carousel is in full swing. Ed Cooley used the transfer portal to build an NCAA Tournament team at Providence this season. Studs like Bryce Hopkins and Devin Carter transferred from Kentucky and South Carolina, respectively, to Providence and had All-Big East seasons. But Cooley bounced for Georgetown after Providence got beat by Kentucky in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Hopkins and Carter are stuck with tough choices: Choose to transfer and sit out a whole year Try to go the professional route –– which is a little scary because Hopkins is outside the top-50 in the 2023 NBA Draft and Carter is a fringe top-100 prospect. Stay at Providence and play for new coach Kim English who did not recruit them to the Friars." 247sports.com/Article/ncaa-transfer-portal-college-basketball-rules-kim-english-providence-mental-health-207135246/
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 23, 2023 14:32:43 GMT -5
So, Cooley is looking to bring in at a maximum of 5 bodies to add to this roster? With the new transfer rule, I would prioritize keeping Akok and probably Bristol and Wahab. I would also try to keep Anglin, Bass and Mutombo. The problem with some of the guys from last year is they got NIL money that they're unlikely to get this coming year, at least from a percentage of total Hoyas NIL spend. So somebody like Murray who thought he was the man last year (and was, from NIL $ to Ewing publicly saying he was the "best player") would need to go down to being the 4th or 5th highest paid guy this season. I'd think Cooley & Co. will want to spend the most NIL dollars on a totally different cast than last year, so it might be best for the whole operation if people like Murray, Spears and Heath moved on.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 23, 2023 14:51:12 GMT -5
So, Cooley is looking to bring in at a maximum of 5 bodies to add to this roster? With the new transfer rule, I would prioritize keeping Akok and probably Bristol and Wahab. I would also try to keep Anglin, Bass and Mutombo. The problem with some of the guys from last year is they got NIL money that they're unlikely to get this coming year, at least from a percentage of total Hoyas NIL spend. So somebody like Murray who thought he was the man last year (and was, from NIL $ to Ewing publicly saying he was the "best player") would need to go down to being the 4th or 5th highest paid guy this season. I'd think Cooley & Co. will want to spend the most NIL dollars on a totally different cast than last year, so it might be best for the whole operation if people like Murray, Spears and Heath moved on. If EC is able to keep: Akok Anglin Bass Bristol Mutombo Riley I wouldnt' be shocked if EC move on from Wahab, and keep Murray. The Hoyas are going to need some scoring output, and Murray is more suited right now until EC is able to bring in some recruits/portal guys to the squad.
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Post by dense on Mar 23, 2023 14:58:45 GMT -5
With the new transfer rule, I would prioritize keeping Akok and probably Bristol and Wahab. I would also try to keep Anglin, Bass and Mutombo. The problem with some of the guys from last year is they got NIL money that they're unlikely to get this coming year, at least from a percentage of total Hoyas NIL spend. So somebody like Murray who thought he was the man last year (and was, from NIL $ to Ewing publicly saying he was the "best player") would need to go down to being the 4th or 5th highest paid guy this season. I'd think Cooley & Co. will want to spend the most NIL dollars on a totally different cast than last year, so it might be best for the whole operation if people like Murray, Spears and Heath moved on. If EC is able to keep: Akok Anglin Bass Bristol Mutombo Riley I wouldnt' be shocked if EC move on from Wahab, and keep Murray. The Hoyas are going to need some scoring output, and Murray is more suited right now until EC is able to bring in some recruits/portal guys to the squad. These are the guys I'd try to keep, and maybe Heath. Everyone else doesn't fit cause they don't play defense.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2023 15:03:06 GMT -5
I don’t see any of our players who have already transferred in wanting to sit out a year. Murray? Spears? That’s asking a lot. It will be interesting to watch what develops. The guys who we may want to keep (Riley, Anglin, Bass) have more options.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Mar 23, 2023 15:03:15 GMT -5
With the new transfer rule, I would prioritize keeping Akok and probably Bristol and Wahab. I would also try to keep Anglin, Bass and Mutombo. The problem with some of the guys from last year is they got NIL money that they're unlikely to get this coming year, at least from a percentage of total Hoyas NIL spend. So somebody like Murray who thought he was the man last year (and was, from NIL $ to Ewing publicly saying he was the "best player") would need to go down to being the 4th or 5th highest paid guy this season. I'd think Cooley & Co. will want to spend the most NIL dollars on a totally different cast than last year, so it might be best for the whole operation if people like Murray, Spears and Heath moved on. If EC is able to keep: Akok Anglin Bass Bristol Mutombo Riley I wouldnt' be shocked if EC move on from Wahab, and keep Murray. The Hoyas are going to need some scoring output, and Murray is more suited right now until EC is able to bring in some recruits/portal guys to the squad. This would be my list too......based on culture and longer term potential....but I also recognize that, other than Akok, none of these players are probably Big East level starters at this point (or major contributors). This puts a lot of pressure on Cooley to have success through the portal.....or to try and live with some of last year's mercenaries (recast in different roles/orientations). Some tough decisions ahead of him. And the uncertainty of the new NCAA waiver process creates issues for players on the way out and on the way in.
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