hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 5, 2023 14:28:54 GMT -5
That should be an interesting storyline to follow after all is said and done If he wants to make money in the long term rather than the short term, Murray should decouple himself from Nickelberry. I would agree because being part of a package deal to get excessive playing time just hurts rather than helps his prospects when you look at his play this season vs last, I don't see him being the same hot commodity as he was last summer
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 5, 2023 18:00:43 GMT -5
If we don't get Pitino, there won't be a roster -- no holdovers, no transfers, no recruits. If we do "get" Pitino there's a good chance we'll lead the Big East in strippers hired
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 5, 2023 18:04:26 GMT -5
If we don't get Pitino, there won't be a roster -- no holdovers, no transfers, no recruits. If we do "get" Pitino there's a good chance we'll lead the Big East in strippers hired Now that Syracuse is not in the league 🤣
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 5, 2023 18:37:45 GMT -5
If we don't get Pitino, there won't be a roster -- no holdovers, no transfers, no recruits. If we do "get" Pitino there's a good chance we'll lead the Big East in strippers hired Pathetic comment. I'm all for a cheap laugh, but this one aims at low hanging fruit from 6 years ago. Move on.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 5, 2023 18:47:50 GMT -5
If we do "get" Pitino there's a good chance we'll lead the Big East in strippers hired Pathetic comment. I'm all for a cheap laugh, but this one aims at low hanging fruit from 6 years ago. Move on. Pitino is a great basketball coach. But you really don't think the demonstrated history of hiring sex workers to help land recruits is a relevant part of a discussion about him?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2023 19:09:56 GMT -5
Pathetic comment. I'm all for a cheap laugh, but this one aims at low hanging fruit from 6 years ago. Move on. Pitino is a great basketball coach. But you really don't think the demonstrated history of hiring sex workers to help land recruits is a relevant part of a discussion about him? It’s relevant if accurately stated. If you want to fault Pitino for not exercising enough oversight over the program, I think that’s totally fair. But there are zero allegations that Pitino himself was involved with the strippers (for example, by hiring them, as you indicate above) or openly knew about it, either. Now should he have known? Maybe. But I’m not worried about it as the culpable assistants won’t ever work at Georgetown, Pitino has been clean at Iona, and I don’t think Georgetown is the type of program that would create and environment where that would happen in 2023.
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Post by bluegray79 on Mar 5, 2023 19:32:23 GMT -5
Pathetic comment. I'm all for a cheap laugh, but this one aims at low hanging fruit from 6 years ago. Move on. Pitino is a great basketball coach. But you really don't think the demonstrated history of hiring sex workers to help land recruits is a relevant part of a discussion about him? What 2003 said plus the years since Louisville and the exculpatory events (IARP exoneration, time in Greece, last 3 years at Iona (vetting by another Catholic college), intense NCAA scrutiny the whole time) make snide jokes dated and out of touch. As I've argued ad nauseum, he's done his time and earned a second chance, and I think deserves to have the past put behind him and not retried over and over. When we bring up sordid details for a quick joke, we run the chance of reprosecuting him in the court of public opinion, which sucks and isn't fair. I want to be better than that. I think it's what we -- at Georgetown, as it is at Iona -- should live out those values of forgiveness and redemption. (Plus, I don't want that kind of stuff out there to sow any doubt in the minds of anyone who has influence in the decision of who our new head coach will be.)
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Post by drquigley on Mar 5, 2023 20:59:44 GMT -5
I think the easiest way to determine how good these guys are and which, if any, will or should be starters next year under a new coach is to ask ourselves, "which of our five starters would be a starter on any of the top five teams in our conference?" My answer? None. Now maybe a new coach and a new offensive and defensive philosophy will allow these guys to flourish. I keep thinking Heath has a greater upside than we've seen this year. And obviously a new coach who can control Spears and Murray's hero ball tendencies might elevate their game. But right now? None. DrQ I believe that coached up versions of Akok and Brandon would be in the short rotation of every top team in our conference. I don't know if they would start but they would get real minutes. Primo I doubt because it's been said that he was the same player at Duquesne. Primo is talented enough to start for most teams but I believe his bball IQ would staple him to the bench on most teams in the BE. Probably all teams not coached by Ewing. My point exactly. Some of these guys could contribute to a McDermott or Cooley team but I couldn't see any of them replacing the starters on the top 5 BE teams.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 5, 2023 21:06:32 GMT -5
Pathetic comment. I'm all for a cheap laugh, but this one aims at low hanging fruit from 6 years ago. Move on. Pitino is a great basketball coach. But you really don't think the demonstrated history of hiring sex workers to help land recruits is a relevant part of a discussion about him? You know who hired sex workers? Patrick Ewing, but for him, not for his players. A money launderer would not let him pay, but Pat asked whether he could tip the girls. Pat testified in court to it. Stones and glass ceilings…
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 6, 2023 1:19:44 GMT -5
If we do "get" Pitino there's a good chance we'll lead the Big East in strippers hired Now that Syracuse is not in the league 🤣 Are you counting Laurie Fine as a stripper?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 6, 2023 1:46:36 GMT -5
Now that Syracuse is not in the league 🤣 Are you counting Laurie Fine as a stripper? That would be a YES
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 6, 2023 2:25:12 GMT -5
Pitino is a great basketball coach. But you really don't think the demonstrated history of hiring sex workers to help land recruits is a relevant part of a discussion about him? What 2003 said plus the years since Louisville and the exculpatory events (IARP exoneration, time in Greece, last 3 years at Iona (vetting by another Catholic college), intense NCAA scrutiny the whole time) make snide jokes dated and out of touch. As I've argued ad nauseum, he's done his time and earned a second chance, and I think deserves to have the past put behind him and not retried over and over. When we bring up sordid details for a quick joke, we run the chance of reprosecuting him in the court of public opinion, which sucks and isn't fair. I want to be better than that. I think it's what we -- at Georgetown, as it is at Iona -- should live out those values of forgiveness and redemption. (Plus, I don't want that kind of stuff out there to sow any doubt in the minds of anyone who has influence in the decision of who our new head coach will be.) Gtown admin should definitely take in consideration his past actions.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 6, 2023 6:57:55 GMT -5
Because Louisville under Rick Pitino is the only college basketball program where sex has been provided to visiting recruits. 🙄
Look, I have my doubts that he was completely unaware of some of the goings on, and if he was, it likely was willful blindness. But I also suspect that some of that comes with the territory at a place like Louisville. I imagine that when you get hired at a place like Iona or GU, the school president tells you “don’t cheat.” At a place like Kentucky or Louisville, it’s “don’t get caught.” Or probably, honestly, “don’t get caught until after the banners are hung.” I don’t think Pitino is some kind of saint, but I think that any coach adapts to the job that he has.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 6, 2023 7:16:32 GMT -5
I recall a friend from high school who attended GU to play a different sport in the late 1990s. His recruiting visit involved strippers and M&Ms. Not ideal.
However, amazingly, GU basketball has stayed far away from any scandal like that. The goal should be to keep it that way. So, Pitino's history at Louisville is relevant. GU has to make its own decision, hopefully guided by a great deal of due diligence to which we are not privy, to determine whether it is disqualifying.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2023 7:37:36 GMT -5
I recall a friend from high school who attended GU to play a different sport in the late 1990s. His recruiting visit involved strippers and M&Ms. Not ideal. However, amazingly, GU basketball has stayed far away from any scandal like that. The goal should be to keep it that way. So, Pitino's history at Louisville is relevant. GU has to make its own decision, hopefully guided by a great deal of due diligence to which we are not privy, to determine whether it is disqualifying. DeGioia looked past Ewing’s checkered past. It would be hypocritical to not do it again with another coach.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 6, 2023 7:44:50 GMT -5
I recall a friend from high school who attended GU to play a different sport in the late 1990s. His recruiting visit involved strippers and M&Ms. Not ideal. However, amazingly, GU basketball has stayed far away from any scandal like that. The goal should be to keep it that way. So, Pitino's history at Louisville is relevant. GU has to make its own decision, hopefully guided by a great deal of due diligence to which we are not privy, to determine whether it is disqualifying. DeGioia looked past Ewing’s checkered past. It would be hypocritical to not do it again with another coach. We could get into a debate about how those misdeeds were different, but that would not be productive. I was not even going there with the restaurant incident. Again, the school should do its own research and make its own decisions about any candidate.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2023 8:15:22 GMT -5
DeGioia looked past Ewing’s checkered past. It would be hypocritical to not do it again with another coach. We could get into a debate about how those misdeeds were different, but that would not be productive. I was not even going there with the restaurant incident. Again, the school should do its own research and make its own decisions about any candidate. Potato, potatoe… I was not even going there with the divorce incident, the child out of marriage incident, etc… Again, Iona did the research for us. Again, don’t be hypocritical.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 6, 2023 8:30:26 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree that Iona's decision to hire Pitino means that none of his skeletons are too big to fit in GU's closet. I suspect the institutional control issue means a lot more to GU than personal relational issues.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 6, 2023 8:32:00 GMT -5
What 2003 said plus the years since Louisville and the exculpatory events (IARP exoneration, time in Greece, last 3 years at Iona (vetting by another Catholic college), intense NCAA scrutiny the whole time) make snide jokes dated and out of touch. As I've argued ad nauseum, he's done his time and earned a second chance, and I think deserves to have the past put behind him and not retried over and over. When we bring up sordid details for a quick joke, we run the chance of reprosecuting him in the court of public opinion, which sucks and isn't fair. I want to be better than that. I think it's what we -- at Georgetown, as it is at Iona -- should live out those values of forgiveness and redemption. (Plus, I don't want that kind of stuff out there to sow any doubt in the minds of anyone who has influence in the decision of who our new head coach will be.) Gtown admin should definitely take in consideration his past actions. You seem vested in keeping the program in the family, like you or a loved one has a financial connection to the program. You want the program to succeed, but under very certain conditions.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2023 8:40:18 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree that Iona's decision to hire Pitino means that none of his skeletons are too big to fit in GU's closet. I suspect the institutional control issue means a lot more to GU than personal relational issues. And you think Roman Catholic Georgetown should have different institutional controls than Roman Catholic Iona?
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