HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 9, 2023 6:20:29 GMT -5
We need a coach that can get us to the top of the league, not just the middle of the pack. getting to the middle of the pack would be quite an accomplishment
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Feb 9, 2023 8:55:30 GMT -5
As someone once said “Soccer is the sport of America’s future and always will be”.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 9, 2023 9:39:04 GMT -5
If we fire Ronny, it will go a long way to restoring the brand.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2023 9:49:44 GMT -5
As someone once said “Soccer is the sport of America’s future and always will be”. Sadly at Georgetown, basketball is now the sport of our past and its future is dubious at best.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 9, 2023 10:24:09 GMT -5
So what's the brand? Winning? Yes, we’re a soccer powerhouse. I think from here until 2026 (USA World Cup), soccer will have an exponential growth in the US. Since we’re one of the premier college soccer programs, GU could benefit greatly from that growth. The only negative is that IIRC no WC game will be played in DC. I think the point of coach98's post, which I agree with, is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious "brand" for the soccer program that is distinguishable from winning. And that's fine! I want the soccer team to keep winning. That's what competitive sports are for. Let's just get back to winning in basketball, too! I think that "winning" is probably the ceiling from a "brand" perspective for most college basketball programs, including the 2020s version of ours. If anything, our "brand" is hurting us right now. The powers that be seem stuck in the 1980s, which is when we had a brand that was meaningful beyond just wins and losses. That stuck-in-the-eighties mindset has to go, but I suspect that part of the reason that people like Jack have clung to it for so long is because they want Hoya Hoops to "mean something." But they're taking it backwards. The plan shouldn't be "it was great that we had this awesome brand and influence back in the 1980s, so sticking with the 1980s playbook should bring us back to prominence (on and off the court)." It should be "let's adopt a competent-for-the-2020s approach, which will lead to on-court success, and if that leads to a meaningful off-court brand, great!"
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 9, 2023 10:38:09 GMT -5
Yes, we’re a soccer powerhouse. I think from here until 2026 (USA World Cup), soccer will have an exponential growth in the US. Since we’re one of the premier college soccer programs, GU could benefit greatly from that growth. The only negative is that IIRC no WC game will be played in DC. I think the point of coach98's post, which I agree with, is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious "brand" for the soccer program that is distinguishable from winning. And that's fine! I want the soccer team to keep winning. That's what competitive sports are for. Let's just get back to winning in basketball, too! I think that "winning" is probably the ceiling from a "brand" perspective for most college basketball programs, including the 2020s version of ours. If anything, our "brand" is hurting us right now. The powers that be seem stuck in the 1980s, which is when we had a brand that was meaningful beyond just wins and losses. That stuck-in-the-eighties mindset has to go, but I suspect that part of the reason that people like Jack have clung to it for so long is because they want Hoya Hoops to "mean something." But they're taking it backwards. The plan shouldn't be "it was great that we had this awesome brand and influence back in the 1980s, so sticking with the 1980s playbook should bring us back to prominence (on and off the court)." It should be "let's adopt a competent-for-the-2020s approach, which will lead to on-court success, and if that leads to a meaningful off-court brand, great!" Absolutely. The brand and meaning that Georgetown basketball had in the 1980s was incredibly unique and will never be achieved again, even if we win. It was the perfect combination of personalities, players, and the historical moment. That moment has passed. For all the talk about our 1980s brand, too, it's noteworthy that even that brand would have never existed, or at least not to the extent it did, without winning. Had John Thompson helmed the Georgetown program but never made it to a Final Four, for example, and instead had been a medicore but okay coach, I doubt the brand would have ever become what it was in the 1980s. Winning is the key to anybody's success as a brand or program. There are very, very, few programs that manage to carry forward a successful brand even while they are losing. Take Duke for example - there is nothing inherently special about Duke that made them prominent for years. It's because Coach K (love him or hate him) was a great coach with an amazing record. That's why they became so well known and so notable. If we brought in another coach that could win, have good regular seasons, and make waves in the NCAA tournament, we'd be in much better shape. But, we will never occupy the space we did in the 1980s. That mmoment is in the past, and we need to build a new future that hopefully pays homage to that past while building something new.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2023 10:49:03 GMT -5
I think the point of coach98's post, which I agree with, is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious "brand" for the soccer program that is distinguishable from winning. And that's fine! I want the soccer team to keep winning. That's what competitive sports are for. Let's just get back to winning in basketball, too! I think that "winning" is probably the ceiling from a "brand" perspective for most college basketball programs, including the 2020s version of ours. If anything, our "brand" is hurting us right now. The powers that be seem stuck in the 1980s, which is when we had a brand that was meaningful beyond just wins and losses. That stuck-in-the-eighties mindset has to go, but I suspect that part of the reason that people like Jack have clung to it for so long is because they want Hoya Hoops to "mean something." But they're taking it backwards. The plan shouldn't be "it was great that we had this awesome brand and influence back in the 1980s, so sticking with the 1980s playbook should bring us back to prominence (on and off the court)." It should be "let's adopt a competent-for-the-2020s approach, which will lead to on-court success, and if that leads to a meaningful off-court brand, great!" Absolutely. The brand and meaning that Georgetown basketball had in the 1980s was incredibly unique and will never be achieved again, even if we win. It was the perfect combination of personalities, players, and the historical moment. That moment has passed. For all the talk about our 1980s brand, too, it's noteworthy that even that brand would have never existed, or at least not to the extent it did, without winning. Had John Thompson helmed the Georgetown program but never made it to a Final Four, for example, and instead had been a medicore but okay coach, I doubt the brand would have ever become what it was in the 1980s. Winning is the key to anybody's success as a brand or program. There are very, very, few programs that manage to carry forward a successful brand even while they are losing. Take Duke for example - there is nothing inherently special about Duke that made them prominent for years. It's because Coach K (love him or hate him) was a great coach with an amazing record. That's why they became so well known and so notable. If we brought in another coach that could win, have good regular seasons, and make waves in the NCAA tournament, we'd be in much better shape. But, we will never occupy the space we did in the 1980s. That mmoment is in the past, and we need to build a new future that hopefully pays homage to that past while building something new. It does not need to, nor ever should again, pay homage to that past. Respect it; honor it and remember it. However, blind worship is why we are where we are.
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Post by hoya18 on Feb 9, 2023 22:01:11 GMT -5
I have attempted to respond, but apparently the Moderator does not want to hear the truth.
Guddy, you can complain that the team is not better, but until you engage leadership in a truthful discussion which apparently the moderator is not interested in having it is fruitless.
To begin I am not a class of 18 grad, but a admirer of the program. A program that rose to new heights when a young candidate who i ran into as he walked to his press conference across from Reiss. I wished him luck and supported him throughout his early career. I was at McDonough when racist signs were raised at a game. I advocated for the birth of this program well before many of you were borne. Remember being at the Missouri game at McDonough, peeing at the urinal between the bigot Billy Packer and Dick Mcguire as they wondered could this upstart actually beat the number 3 Team in the nation which they did.
The question I propose if published, is do we want to do better? I am not sure we know if the administration wants to. I have not contributed to the program as I have in the past, until we find out what they want.
Georgetown flows through my blood as exemplary of equity and community. Where are we going? What is our vision? Playing this game of a new coach, new players is meaningless, unless we address this. Sorry blog administrator, but how about having the intellectual honesty to post what I have written?
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Post by 104pleasant on Feb 10, 2023 9:06:27 GMT -5
The mens basketball program only gets restored if the Administration wants to have a winning mens basketball program which I am not convinced they do. I fear that many of the Georgetown academics believe that mens basketball sullies Georgetown’s academic reputation.
if Georgetown Administration makes a real and true commitment to “restore the brand” of its mens basketball team then it should hire a young aggressive coach who is respectful of Georgetown’s basketball heritage and its academics and who wants to work like hell ro make Georgetown be the best it can be in recruiting top academic athletes.
It may be difficult to recreate what Jay Wright constructed at Villanova, but his model would be a good place to start.
iMO the Georgetown “brand” can be greatly improved (albeit not fully restored) in 3 short years with the right hire and support by the Georgetown Administration.
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