Next W?

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

So we face Creighton at home, UConn at home, Providence on the road and Marquette at home. I'm not saying there is no way we win any of those but with how dumb we play, it is hard to see us getting to 1-3 in this stretch. That would put us at 1-14 in conference and 6-20 overall.

We then get Seton Hall on the road, Butler on the road and St. John's at home. We absolutely should win 2 of those three so that means we probably end up 1-2 or 0-3 in that stretch.

We finish with Providence at home and Creighton on the road. So barring Q realizing how to keep the ball up and get right into his move, Murray finding out that grumbling after a miss or missed call isn't winning basketball (and did anyone else seem him leave the kid open for a dunk so he could cover his man only to be bailed out by a Akok block?), or this team in general figuring out how to defend, we are probably 2-18 in conference 7-25 overall. St. John's without their PG absolutely should have been a win.

Man, we really could have used a secondary ballhandler like Dante Harris in that game. We also could have used an inside defender who at least made it hard on Soriano.

[HoyaNyr320]

Jan 30, 2023 9:38:20 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

So we face Creighton at home, UConn at home, Providence on the road and Marquette at home. I'm not saying there is no way we win any of those but with how dumb we play, it is hard to see us getting to 1-3 in this stretch. That would put us at 1-14 in conference and 6-20 overall.

We then get Seton Hall on the road, Butler on the road and St. John's at home. We absolutely should win 2 of those three so that means we probably end up 1-2 or 0-3 in that stretch.

We finish with Providence at home and Creighton on the road. So barring Q realizing how to keep the ball up and get right into his move, Murray finding out that grumbling after a miss or missed call isn't winning basketball (and did anyone else seem him leave the kid open for a dunk so he could cover his man only to be bailed out by a Akok block?), or this team in general figuring out how to defend, we are probably 2-18 in conference 7-25 overall. St. John's without their PG absolutely should have been a win.

Man, we really could have used a secondary ballhandler like Dante Harris in that game. We also could have used an inside defender who at least made it hard on Soriano.

This sums the rest of the season up very well. 2-18 is most likely in my view, with 3-17 or 4-16 a best case scenario. Don't forget the outside chance of 1-19 though!

[Elvado]

So real progress and a rationale for bringing back the staff?

[BeantownHoya]

Jan 30, 2023 10:21:14 GMT -5 Elvado said:

So real progress and a rationale for bringing back the staff?

Of course not from anyone with common sense...but common sense doesn't seem to resonate with the folks in charge...

To be honest I felt HoyaBoya was way off that he's not sure if they will get rid of Ewing but we get to 3 or 4 wins...he might be spot on and that is perceived as meaningful progress...

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 30, 2023 10:25:47 GMT -5 BeantownHoya said:

Jan 30, 2023 10:21:14 GMT -5 Elvado said:

So real progress and a rationale for bringing back the staff?

Of course not from anyone with common sense...but common sense doesn't seem to resonate with the folks in charge...

To be honest I felt HoyaBoya was way off that he's not sure if they will get rid of Ewing but we get to 3 or 4 wins...he might be spot on and that is perceived as meaningful progress...

Could you imagine how empty the arena would be next year if this happened? We would drop from 800 fans a game to 400 fans easy. We are on a whopping zero recruits for next year and the waiver wire transfer list will be a list of me first ballers who have no concept of how to play winning basketball. What progress have we seen in Murray, Primo, or Wahab to date? Guys aren't developing here. They aren't fixing their weaknesses. They aren't gelling into a cohesive unit.

We have Akok, Riley and Bristol trying to play winning basketball within a team concept and that is about it.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Jan 30, 2023 10:30:07 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Jan 30, 2023 10:25:47 GMT -5 BeantownHoya said:

Of course not from anyone with common sense...but common sense doesn't seem to resonate with the folks in charge...

To be honest I felt HoyaBoya was way off that he's not sure if they will get rid of Ewing but we get to 3 or 4 wins...he might be spot on and that is perceived as meaningful progress...

Could you imagine how empty the arena would be next year if this happened? We would drop from 800 fans a game to 400 fans easy. We are on a whopping zero recruits for next year and the waiver wire transfer list will be a list of me first ballers who have no concept of how to play winning basketball. What progress have we seen in Murray, Primo, or Wahab to date? Guys aren't developing here. They aren't fixing their weaknesses. They aren't gelling into a cohesive unit.

We have Akok, Riley and Bristol trying to play winning basketball within a team concept and that is about it.

If Ewing comes back next year, it will be really bad, as I think even some of us on HoyaTalk who still watch each and every game would disengage. But, I too am afraid that DeGioia would sink his teeth into any possible way to keep Ewing. Keep in mind that the university still owes Ewing over $12 million, and the boneheaded negligent extension is DeGioia's fault. He'd probably love nothing more than keeping attention away from that.

That said, I think it's much more likely than not that we get a new start next year (of course, new start doesn't equal "good" new start). But, it wouldn't shock me if Georgetown stayed the course, either, especially since people like Ronny who likely have DeGioia's ear will likely push heavily for that outcome given that it affects them too.

[hoyajmw]

November 2023 against some MEAC bottom feeder…

[TC]

hilltophoops.substack.com/p/bye-for-now-georgetown?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

The one thing that I will leave Georgetown fans is this: The decision has been made to terminate Ewing’s contract. He is done. The Board has placed the decision in DeGioia’s hands as to when to dismiss Ewing. There has been a lot of deliberating internally as to how and when to part ways with Ewing. So far, as I have reported earlier, DeGioia still remains reluctant to fire Ewing midseason.

I keep reading people being scared of DeGioia waffling, and I don't understand why. If the above has occurred, the decision is outside of DeGioia's hands - he can win 3 or 4 games, but DeGioia does not have the power to change the outcome, he controls the PR and when it happens. The Board would have to recant and give Ewing a new lease on life, and why would they do that? Has Ewing improved the attendance? Has Ewing improved the APR scores, which are a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, that the board can get ahead of by firing Ewing? Has Ryan Mutombo - whose Dad is smack dab on the board subcommittee for athletics - gotten out of the doghouse?

Winning 5 games does not change anything. Ewing is a dead coach walking.

[hoyasaxa2003]

If we get Seton Hall or Villanova in the Big East Tournament, I really think we'd have a shot. Both play at a slow pace, neither has been impressive against us. I really think faster paced offense and motion offense is what kills us because our defense cannot keep up. For example, St. John's did this super effectively in the beginning of the first half, and then just stopped. Because Seton Hall and Villanova are so slow, I think they do not exploit our defense as much as others.

That said, KenPom projects us at 2-18, by my calculation using his odds, the odds we will go 0-9 the rest of the way is about 32%.

What would our odds look like against Seton Hall or Villanova at the BET? Probably somewhere in the 15% range, is my guess.

[hoyaboya]

Jan 30, 2023 12:15:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

If we get Seton Hall or Villanova in the Big East Tournament, I really think we'd have a shot. Both play at a slow pace, neither has been impressive against us. I really think faster paced offense and motion offense is what kills us because our defense cannot keep up. For example, St. John's did this super effectively in the beginning of the first half, and then just stopped. Because Seton Hall and Villanova are so slow, I think they do not exploit our defense as much as others.

That said, KenPom projects us at 2-18, by my calculation using his odds, the odds we will go 0-9 the rest of the way is about 32%.

What would our odds look like against Seton Hall or Villanova at the BET? Probably somewhere in the 15% range, is my guess.

Totally agree with your points on Seton Hall and Villanova. Look, I think we've seen improvement these last couple of games and it's possible that we go on a run, win another 3-5 in the regular season and 1-2 in the BET. Let's say we finish 11-20 overall, 6-14 in the Big East regular season plus a win or two at MSG - I think DeGioia could justify running it back at that point. Most of our top players won't have a free transfer left to use, so they'd have to come back to Georgetown unless they went pro.

Teams I think we can beat at this stage of the season:

DePaul
Butler
St. John's
Villanova
Seton Hall

We have 3 regular season games left against those teams (at Seton Hall, at Butler, vs. St. John's), so to get to 6-14, we'd need to sweep those and win 2 out of vs. Creighton, vs. UCONN, at Providence, vs. Marquette, vs. Providence and at Creighton.

If the BET started today, we'd be the 11 seed facing the 6th seed UCONN. That's a nightmare matchup for us, but my hunch is that UCONN jumps Seton Hall before the end of the regular season, so we'd most likely see either Seton Hall or Villanova in the 6-11 game. Plus, that's assuming that Butler and DePaul remain ahead of us in the regular season standings, which is no gimme.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Jan 30, 2023 12:08:19 GMT -5 TC said:

hilltophoops.substack.com/p/bye-for-now-georgetown?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

The one thing that I will leave Georgetown fans is this: The decision has been made to terminate Ewing’s contract. He is done. The Board has placed the decision in DeGioia’s hands as to when to dismiss Ewing. There has been a lot of deliberating internally as to how and when to part ways with Ewing. So far, as I have reported earlier, DeGioia still remains reluctant to fire Ewing midseason.

I keep reading people being scared of DeGioia waffling, and I don't understand why. If the above has occurred, the decision is outside of DeGioia's hands - he can win 3 or 4 games, but DeGioia does not have the power to change the outcome, he controls the PR and when it happens. The Board would have to recant and give Ewing a new lease on life, and why would they do that? Has Ewing improved the attendance? Has Ewing improved the APR scores, which are a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, that the board can get ahead of by firing Ewing? Has Ryan Mutombo - whose Dad is smack dab on the board subcommittee for athletics - gotten out of the doghouse?

Winning 5 games does not change anything. Ewing is a dead coach walking.

Thanks for sharing, somehow I missed this. If true, this is great. I don't know about you, but frankly, I think I am a scarred Georgetown fan (and alumnus). Perhaps wrongly, but I think justifiably, I fully expect the university to make the wrong move at every step. And, if what Aidan says about the decision being made is true, the next question is does that include cleaning house entirely, including Ronny?

I do think there will be change after this year, but my worry is that it'll be a modest change. Put someone else in Ewing's place, change the assistants, but keep Ronny in a position of influence as the only Thompson left around, and rinse and repeat.

My other concern is that no matter who comes after Ewing, there will almost certainly be improvement unless we hire somebody utterly incompetent. But, if we hire someone--anyone, really--with modest head coaching experience, they are going to improve our team from where we are today. So, I think that if Ewing goes, 2023-2024 will look a lot better than the last two years. And I think that'll be true regardless of whether we hire Mike Jones, James Jones, Cooley, Rick Pitino, etc. Improving from a team ranked in the 200s, in the Big East isn't that hard. The real question is will we pick a coach whose ceiling is high enough to make us top 25/NCAA at large quality year after year? That's not an easy task, and there are actually very few coaches capable of doing this over a long period.

I don't want a coach who will take us from the 200s into the low top 100 and stagnate there. I want a coach that will make us competitive, and quickly. And there aren't many people who can do that, at least not without taking a risk of it failing by hiring a risky choice.

[DonkDonk]

If more than 1 week passes after we’re eliminated from the BET, and no announcement has been made regarding Ewing, then Ewing is likely sticking around for 2023-24.

The fact that the Chief of Staff is still on board even now, suggests he sticks for next year regardless of next HC. Wouldn’t the new CoS be in place now under any sane coaching search (which would have to be in the works now)? Obviously, with the CoS remaining in place, that will impact who the next HC is. looks Jack is OK with that being non-negotiable.

[DFW HOYA]

Jan 30, 2023 17:10:30 GMT -5 DonkDonk said:

The fact that the Chief of Staff is still on board even now, suggests he sticks for next year regardless of next HC. Wouldn’t the new CoS be in place now under any sane coaching search (which would have to be in the works now)? Obviously, with the CoS remaining in place, that will impact who the next HC is. looks Jack is OK with that being non-negotiable.

It doesn't suggest anything. The stealth figure that is RT reports to Ewing, as do the assistants, and not to Lee Reed or Jack DeGioia. He is not untouchable, and it is just as likely that a future coach would not even fill the role.

[miracles87]

Jan 30, 2023 12:26:02 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Jan 30, 2023 12:15:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

If we get Seton Hall or Villanova in the Big East Tournament, I really think we'd have a shot. Both play at a slow pace, neither has been impressive against us. I really think faster paced offense and motion offense is what kills us because our defense cannot keep up. For example, St. John's did this super effectively in the beginning of the first half, and then just stopped. Because Seton Hall and Villanova are so slow, I think they do not exploit our defense as much as others.

That said, KenPom projects us at 2-18, by my calculation using his odds, the odds we will go 0-9 the rest of the way is about 32%.

What would our odds look like against Seton Hall or Villanova at the BET? Probably somewhere in the 15% range, is my guess.

Totally agree with your points on Seton Hall and Villanova. Look, I think we've seen improvement these last couple of games and it's possible that we go on a run, win another 3-5 in the regular season and 1-2 in the BET. Let's say we finish 11-20 overall, 6-14 in the Big East regular season plus a win or two at MSG - I think DeGioia could justify running it back at that point. Most of our top players won't have a free transfer left to use, so they'd have to come back to Georgetown unless they went pro.

Teams I think we can beat at this stage of the season:

DePaul
Butler
St. John's
Villanova
Seton Hall

We have 3 regular season games left against those teams (at Seton Hall, at Butler, vs. St. John's), so to get to 6-14, we'd need to sweep those and win 2 out of vs. Creighton, vs. UCONN, at Providence, vs. Marquette, vs. Providence and at Creighton.

If the BET started today, we'd be the 11 seed facing the 6th seed UCONN. That's a nightmare matchup for us, but my hunch is that UCONN jumps Seton Hall before the end of the regular season, so we'd most likely see either Seton Hall or Villanova in the 6-11 game. Plus, that's assuming that Butler and DePaul remain ahead of us in the regular season standings, which is no gimme.

LETS GO HOYAS!!!

[hoyazeke]

Jan 30, 2023 12:26:02 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Jan 30, 2023 12:15:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

If we get Seton Hall or Villanova in the Big East Tournament, I really think we'd have a shot. Both play at a slow pace, neither has been impressive against us. I really think faster paced offense and motion offense is what kills us because our defense cannot keep up. For example, St. John's did this super effectively in the beginning of the first half, and then just stopped. Because Seton Hall and Villanova are so slow, I think they do not exploit our defense as much as others.

That said, KenPom projects us at 2-18, by my calculation using his odds, the odds we will go 0-9 the rest of the way is about 32%.

What would our odds look like against Seton Hall or Villanova at the BET? Probably somewhere in the 15% range, is my guess.

Totally agree with your points on Seton Hall and Villanova. Look, I think we've seen improvement these last couple of games and it's possible that we go on a run, win another 3-5 in the regular season and 1-2 in the BET. Let's say we finish 11-20 overall, 6-14 in the Big East regular season plus a win or two at MSG - I think DeGioia could justify running it back at that point. Most of our top players won't have a free transfer left to use, so they'd have to come back to Georgetown unless they went pro.

Teams I think we can beat at this stage of the season:

DePaul
Butler
St. John's
Villanova
Seton Hall

We have 3 regular season games left against those teams (at Seton Hall, at Butler, vs. St. John's), so to get to 6-14, we'd need to sweep those and win 2 out of vs. Creighton, vs. UCONN, at Providence, vs. Marquette, vs. Providence and at Creighton.

If the BET started today, we'd be the 11 seed facing the 6th seed UCONN. That's a nightmare matchup for us, but my hunch is that UCONN jumps Seton Hall before the end of the regular season, so we'd most likely see either Seton Hall or Villanova in the 6-11 game. Plus, that's assuming that Butler and DePaul remain ahead of us in the regular season standings, which is no gimme.

Butler and DePaul each have 3Ws so they are safe. Before we beat DePaul I told the board that our only chances for Ws were DePaul and Butler. Well we got DePaul and that only leaves Butler. 2Ws max. We can play some teams close based on styles and skills levels but our lack of bench depth requires at least 2 players going off to actually get the W. I feel pretty confident at this point that Primo will give us 20+pts but I don't trust anyone else to get more than 10pts.

[Highsmith]

Jan 30, 2023 12:08:19 GMT -5 TC said:

hilltophoops.substack.com/p/bye-for-now-georgetown?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

The one thing that I will leave Georgetown fans is this: The decision has been made to terminate Ewing’s contract. He is done. The Board has placed the decision in DeGioia’s hands as to when to dismiss Ewing. There has been a lot of deliberating internally as to how and when to part ways with Ewing. So far, as I have reported earlier, DeGioia still remains reluctant to fire Ewing midseason.

I keep reading people being scared of DeGioia waffling, and I don't understand why. If the above has occurred, the decision is outside of DeGioia's hands - he can win 3 or 4 games, but DeGioia does not have the power to change the outcome, he controls the PR and when it happens. The Board would have to recant and give Ewing a new lease on life, and why would they do that? Has Ewing improved the attendance? Has Ewing improved the APR scores, which are a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, that the board can get ahead of by firing Ewing? Has Ryan Mutombo - whose Dad is smack dab on the board subcommittee for athletics - gotten out of the doghouse?

Winning 5 games does not change anything. Ewing is a dead coach walking.

This is my thinking as well....it's not if, it's when and when meaning in season or immediately after. However, it wouldn't shock me if JDG waits way longer than he should at the end of the season to act and then we miss out on the best candidates.

[Elvado]

Jan 31, 2023 6:49:16 GMT -5 Highsmith said:

Jan 30, 2023 12:08:19 GMT -5 TC said:

hilltophoops.substack.com/p/bye-for-now-georgetown?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

I keep reading people being scared of DeGioia waffling, and I don't understand why. If the above has occurred, the decision is outside of DeGioia's hands - he can win 3 or 4 games, but DeGioia does not have the power to change the outcome, he controls the PR and when it happens. The Board would have to recant and give Ewing a new lease on life, and why would they do that? Has Ewing improved the attendance? Has Ewing improved the APR scores, which are a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, that the board can get ahead of by firing Ewing? Has Ryan Mutombo - whose Dad is smack dab on the board subcommittee for athletics - gotten out of the doghouse?

Winning 5 games does not change anything. Ewing is a dead coach walking.

This is my thinking as well....it's not if, it's when and when meaning in season or immediately after. However, it wouldn't shock me if JDG waits way longer than he should at the end of the season to act and then we miss out on the best candidates.

Leaving “One and a half” to ride in and save the day….

[madgesiq92]

Next year

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Jan 31, 2023 11:05:52 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Next year

That is possible after Saturday. I can't see us doing anything against Providence or Marquette. Seton Hall is plenty good basketball and getting much better as the season progresses so I have that as an L too. Butler stinks and St. John's isn't very good either even though they beat us without their PG. If we don't steal a game against Butler or St. John's, we very well aren't going to beat a hot Seton Hall team in the garden.

So 6-26 is the floor. Last year we were 6-25. Steal one or two and 8-24 as a ceiling doesn't really seem like improvement to me.

[hoyarooter]

Feb 6, 2023 11:05:44 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Jan 31, 2023 11:05:52 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Next year

That is possible after Saturday. I can't see us doing anything against Providence or Marquette. Seton Hall is plenty good basketball and getting much better as the season progresses so I have that as an L too. Butler stinks and St. John's isn't very good either even though they beat us without their PG. If we don't steal a game against Butler or St. John's, we very well aren't going to beat a hot Seton Hall team in the garden.

So 6-26 is the floor. Last year we were 6-25. Steal one or two and 8-24 as a ceiling doesn't really seem like improvement to me.

That's because it's not, particularly with a group that was expected to be well better than last year's group.