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Post by rhw485 on Dec 21, 2022 9:12:29 GMT -5
I'm legitimately conflicted about how I feel about last nights game. I think a lot of different points from posters that feel like they're in contradiction with each other can be true. - I think it's a testament to the offensive talent assembled by this staff that our offense is actually producing pretty good numbers when you consider how little help they get from the scheme itself. The offense is up to 61st in the country (per TRank) which puts us up to 7th in Big East. I'm not celebrating 7th, but those who were optimistic about being a bubble team, in a good big east 7th would probably have you in the discussion (outside looking in but involved). Even though our shot quality is truly terrible, we're offsetting that by not turning the ball over and crashing the glass. It's a simple quantity over quality game that's kinda working? Last night was the most PPP UConn has given up to anyone all season
- The Primo hate is a little crazy, Dante 2.0 who will get bashed by the fanbase and they'll be quick to retreat when another coach wants him (I'll fully admit Duquesne being better without him is making me question my view but I don't know all the changes there). There were multiple possessions where we tried to run the most basic middle school action, it generated nothing, and then under 10 seconds left Primo did what he had to do and made the shot. He was the only player with the requisite handle to survive UConns defense. In this system, we'd have no chance without him. It's not his fault this is what the staff wants to run.
- Murray is good player who thinks he's better than he is? That's where I've landed at this point. If we were actually running something closer to a motion offense, I think he's smart enough to find holes and attack. But just ask him to run pnr, have the big hedge, force him to retreat, and then ask him to go 1 on 1? Nope. I'm glad we finally sorted out what position he was playing when he committed 8 turnovers. 2 offensive fouls where he lacked wiggle on dribble and tried to barrel someone over
- And yet for all of that, I agree with others who question whether we'll ever actually win a game and if any of it matters. You're basically asking for the Hoyas to make extremely difficult shots while hoping the other team misses completely wide open shots. For a 10 minute stretch there in the 2nd half, that happened. Karaban missed 3 wide open 3s, Hurley didn't hesitate, went to his bench and found someone who can make them.
- I also agree with vv83 that I'm not convinced our bench would actually help in this scheme. Denver would be able to hit an open 3 but asking him to create that for others in pnr? Riley got 2 minutes and had a turnover / offensive foul driving to the hoop. The right answer is probably if you're going to end up with Primo going one on one anyway might as well play bench guys with him so other starters can get rest and play better defense. Like leave Bass in the dunker spot, run pick and pop w Akok and then at least you have an athlete on defense. Those were things we should've tried in the non conf, even for 5 minutes at risk of losing games we ended up losing anyway. Sometimes you'll be surprised what players can do if you show a little faith. The bench knows the staff doesnt trust them, its an impossible spot to be in
- If our defense was as good as our offense, we'd basically be 58th in TRank (Colorado is 59 offense / 58 defense and 58 overall) and they look like a bubble-ish team. Alas, our defense is 273rd. It's why I usually just bother with the defense thread. It's the only thing that matters
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 21, 2022 9:16:30 GMT -5
I get it, everyone wants to look for a bright spot. But truly, what are we progressing towards? Not finishing at the bottom of the BE? What does that do for us this season or in long term? Even 2 games in to BE play, our chances of post season play are nearly nil. Clearly if we’re going to win at all, it’s going to be off the backs of our 5 starters, and that short-sided approach all but guarantees some roster turnover, so it’s not as though we can build on any “progress” from this year to next. Our style of play hasn’t changed much in the past 6 years. Can’t imagine it would change in year 7 assuming PE is still here. So what’s the end goal? There are a lot of unhappy kids on that bench. Given the state of college basketball and or own history of poor roster retention over the last 5 seasons, odds are high the roster is markedly different next year. You can’t build without a foundation. If coach leaves it’s likely that everyone leaves. It would be pretty easy to get a waiver for change in coach. If coach stays we have the core: Primo, Heath, Murray, Q, Akok locked up since they have already used up their free transfer. Under the current rules the only way to roster build and player develop is to snag a transfer who ideally has just played freshman year. The most dangerous commodity is the high school recruit since they will always have the free transfer in their pocket and can leave at any time. Murray is gone after this season even if it’s to the G-League. He will not be back next season under any circumstance. Why would the others stick around, by the way? You think Heath, Akok and Q want to play losing basketball in front of 3,000 people rather than make money overseas?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 21, 2022 9:29:12 GMT -5
Would Murray make the G League? I am skeptical.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2022 9:42:41 GMT -5
Would Murray make the G League? I am skeptical. When you make 8 turnovers as a small forward you aren’t making any pro league. Guy still needs to put in a lot of work, take ownership and stop looking at his hands every time he makes a mistake.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2022 9:49:30 GMT -5
Would Murray make the G League? I am skeptical. When you make 8 turnovers as a small forward you aren’t making any pro league. Guy still needs to put in a lot of work, take ownership and stop looking at his hands every time he makes a mistake. Do you think he would play small forward at the next level?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2022 9:53:30 GMT -5
When you make 8 turnovers as a small forward you aren’t making any pro league. Guy still needs to put in a lot of work, take ownership and stop looking at his hands every time he makes a mistake. Do you think he would play small forward at the next level? He could but would likely have to play shooting guard at the next level. And even for a shooting guard 8 turnovers is an abomination.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 21, 2022 10:01:49 GMT -5
I'm legitimately conflicted about how I feel about last nights game. I think a lot of different points from posters that feel like they're in contradiction with each other can be true. - I think it's a testament to the offensive talent assembled by this staff that our offense is actually producing pretty good numbers when you consider how little help they get from the scheme itself. The offense is up to 61st in the country (per TRank) which puts us up to 7th in Big East. I'm not celebrating 7th, but those who were optimistic about being a bubble team, in a good big east 7th would probably have you in the discussion (outside looking in but involved). Even though our shot quality is truly terrible, we're offsetting that by not turning the ball over and crashing the glass. It's a simple quantity over quality game that's kinda working? Last night was the most PPP UConn has given up to anyone all season
- The Primo hate is a little crazy, Dante 2.0 who will get bashed by the fanbase and they'll be quick to retreat when another coach wants him (I'll fully admit Duquesne being better without him is making me question my view but I don't know all the changes there). There were multiple possessions where we tried to run the most basic middle school action, it generated nothing, and then under 10 seconds left Primo did what he had to do and made the shot. He was the only player with the requisite handle to survive UConns defense. In this system, we'd have no chance without him. It's not his fault this is what the staff wants to run.
- Murray is good player who thinks he's better than he is? That's where I've landed at this point. If we were actually running something closer to a motion offense, I think he's smart enough to find holes and attack. But just ask him to run pnr, have the big hedge, force him to retreat, and then ask him to go 1 on 1? Nope. I'm glad we finally sorted out what position he was playing when he committed 8 turnovers. 2 offensive fouls where he lacked wiggle on dribble and tried to barrel someone over
- And yet for all of that, I agree with others who question whether we'll ever actually win a game and if any of it matters. You're basically asking for the Hoyas to make extremely difficult shots while hoping the other team misses completely wide open shots. For a 10 minute stretch there in the 2nd half, that happened. Karaban missed 3 wide open 3s, Hurley didn't hesitate, went to his bench and found someone who can make them.
- I also agree with vv83 that I'm not convinced our bench would actually help in this scheme. Denver would be able to hit an open 3 but asking him to create that for others in pnr? Riley got 2 minutes and had a turnover / offensive foul driving to the hoop. The right answer is probably if you're going to end up with Primo going one on one anyway might as well play bench guys with him so other starters can get rest and play better defense. Like leave Bass in the dunker spot, run pick and pop w Akok and then at least you have an athlete on defense. Those were things we should've tried in the non conf, even for 5 minutes at risk of losing games we ended up losing anyway. Sometimes you'll be surprised what players can do if you show a little faith. The bench knows the staff doesnt trust them, its an impossible spot to be in
- If our defense was as good as our offense, we'd basically be 58th in TRank (Colorado is 59 offense / 58 defense and 58 overall) and they look like a bubble-ish team. Alas, our defense is 273rd. It's why I usually just bother with the defense thread. It's the only thing that matters
Every staff should have some change of pace options or sets that highlight the strengths of the less talented kids on the team. Bottom line to me is you can't have an offensive system that only one player can thrive in and even his excellence in it is confined to mid range jumpers
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 21, 2022 10:05:41 GMT -5
Do you think he would play small forward at the next level? He could but would likely have to play shooting guard at the next level. And even for a shooting guard 8 turnovers is an abomination. If he is gone and that is a foregone conclusion, if we drop the game to Depaul, we should see less Murray/Mozone/Wahab who will have run out the clock and more Riley/Anglin/Mutombo. Please for the love of God, build for the future not the abysmal present. I think they still think they can go 4-16 in conference and then go on another miracle run at MSG to salvage the year.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 21, 2022 10:07:58 GMT -5
I thought Qudus had a very good game and battled very well. Q cannot catch the ball. Still awkward as a senior. He has good moments which are negated by bad moments. We did seem to be going to him late though which I found interesting. Unfortunately he is all we have to counter the centers in the Big East. Q has been around too long with two different coaching staffs to make the mistakes he does. What doesn't he get about get a good grip on the ball? What doesn't he get about don't put the ball on the floor after an offensive rebound or pass to the post? The slow "twitch factor" he does not have, but cannot help. But the best evaluation is he is "What we have."
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2022 10:17:14 GMT -5
He could but would likely have to play shooting guard at the next level. And even for a shooting guard 8 turnovers is an abomination. If he is gone and that is a foregone conclusion, if we drop the game to Depaul, we should see less Murray/Mozone/Wahab who will have run out the clock and more Riley/Anglin/Mutombo. Please for the love of God, build for the future not the abysmal present. I think they still think they can go 4-16 in conference and then go on another miracle run at MSG to salvage the year. The problem with Riley/Anglin/Mutombo through no fault of their own is under the current NCAA rules they have a free transfer card they can use at any time. Even if they were happy and getting alot do PT, if NIL $$& or Kansas came calling they can Leave. This is exactly why Jay Wright left. You can no longer develop high school recruit players with that uncertainty. Under this rule set the player who has completed their freshman year is in most cases the most valuable recruit because once they transfer they no longer have their free transfer card. If you are going to invest time in player development then someone like the core five plus Bristol are where you would logically focus time since they can no longer transfer at the drop of a dime. It’s a horrible rule but that’s what the NCAA has done.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 21, 2022 10:56:51 GMT -5
He could but would likely have to play shooting guard at the next level. And even for a shooting guard 8 turnovers is an abomination. I think they still think they can go 4-16 in conference and then go on another miracle run at MSG to salvage the year. This would be an “end of Georgetown basketball” level disaster.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 21, 2022 11:29:01 GMT -5
If he is gone and that is a foregone conclusion, if we drop the game to Depaul, we should see less Murray/Mozone/Wahab who will have run out the clock and more Riley/Anglin/Mutombo. Please for the love of God, build for the future not the abysmal present. I think they still think they can go 4-16 in conference and then go on another miracle run at MSG to salvage the year. The problem with Riley/Anglin/Mutombo through no fault of their own is under the current NCAA rules they have a free transfer card they can use at any time. Even if they were happy and getting alot do PT, if NIL $$& or Kansas came calling they can Leave. This is exactly why Jay Wright left. You can no longer develop high school recruit players with that uncertainty. Under this rule set the player who has completed their freshman year is in most cases the most valuable recruit because once they transfer they no longer have their free transfer card. If you are going to invest time in player development then someone like the core five plus Bristol are where you would logically focus time since they can no longer transfer at the drop of a dime. It’s a horrible rule but that’s what the NCAA has done. I hear you but if that is the rule of the land, then coaches need to be in constant communication with the Bass/Anglin/Riley/Mutombo crew about their path to development and playing time. You are re-recruiting every year. A kid like Jordan Hawkins was OK his freshman year and now he is a very valuable piece. I doubt UConn NIL is on par with the big programs but hopefully you keep a kid like that as they see how they are doing. A kid like Riley though has to be wondering what in the hell he is doing now that he is in year two. Year one was a bust due to injury. Year two he is staring up at Heath/Murray getting minutes ahead of him and may not see a path unless it is constantly being reinforced to him where they seem him going in year three and beyond.
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 21, 2022 11:41:19 GMT -5
Q cannot catch the ball. Still awkward as a senior. He has good moments which are negated by bad moments. We did seem to be going to him late though which I found interesting. Unfortunately he is all we have to counter the centers in the Big East. Q has been around too long with two different coaching staffs to make the mistakes he does. What doesn't he get about get a good grip on the ball? What doesn't he get about don't put the ball on the floor after an offensive rebound or pass to the post? The slow "twitch factor" he does not have, but cannot help. But the best evaluation is he is "What we have." I watched Q a fair amount when he was in high school at Flint Hill, both as a junior and then senior. As a junior, had THE worst hands I'd ever seen and seemed to be THINKING too much about playing basketball and not enough time just PLAYING -- then, seemingly miraculously, had almost a velcro grip as a senior. (The Flint Hill coach is well-respected locally/did a good job developing him overall.) Q's hands serviceable as I recall as a frosh/soph at GU, and frankly didn't watch him for a minute while at UMD -- but know he lost his position to a better player (not sure how much role iron hands had in it). I do think Q's that extremely rare quantity that despite being seemingly incapable of it, CAN be coached up/get comfortable at catching the ball. A very low bar I realize (maybe he can catch the ball!), but if he doesn't develop that "skill" not sure it will be because of innate inability...
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Post by calhoya on Dec 21, 2022 11:58:16 GMT -5
I'm legitimately conflicted about how I feel about last nights game. I think a lot of different points from posters that feel like they're in contradiction with each other can be true. - The Primo hate is a little crazy, Dante 2.0 who will get bashed by the fanbase and they'll be quick to retreat when another coach wants him (I'll fully admit Duquesne being better without him is making me question my view but I don't know all the changes there). There were multiple possessions where we tried to run the most basic middle school action, it generated nothing, and then under 10 seconds left Primo did what he had to do and made the shot. He was the only player with the requisite handle to survive UConns defense. In this system, we'd have no chance without him. It's not his fault this is what the staff wants to run.
- Murray is good player who thinks he's better than he is? That's where I've landed at this point. If we were actually running something closer to a motion offense, I think he's smart enough to find holes and attack. But just ask him to run pnr, have the big hedge, force him to retreat, and then ask him to go 1 on 1? Nope. I'm glad we finally sorted out what position he was playing when he committed 8 turnovers. 2 offensive fouls where he lacked wiggle on dribble and tried to barrel someone over
[/div] [/quote] I have no disagreement with your comments on Primo for the most part. He is a talented player and has the ability to create his own shot. If we are trying and failing to run plays in our "offense" and nothing is there, then by all means let him do his thing. However, whatever "Primo hate" I am feeling has nothing to do with those moments. Rather, it's on the breaks where he makes no effort to look for the open man, but charges head first to the basket, going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. It's when he comes down early in the shot clock and makes no effort to run an offense, but instead forces a shot or launches one while still covered. It's the endless dribbling which is leading to TOs by defending guards. He is the PG and even a scoring PG should have more assists. I agree that Murray is talented but not nearly a complete player yet. In fact, if forced to pick only one, I would take Primo over Murray as I think he plays harder on defense. The fact that most of us will admit to feeling moments of optimism from last night's game is more a reflection of how much the bar has been lowered. I can say that if we played that way we might have defeated American, Loyola and South Carolina, but we did not and the pattern repeats that this team breaks down every game at some point. So far there are no answers.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 21, 2022 12:26:44 GMT -5
I'm legitimately conflicted about how I feel about last nights game. I think a lot of different points from posters that feel like they're in contradiction with each other can be true. - The Primo hate is a little crazy, Dante 2.0 who will get bashed by the fanbase and they'll be quick to retreat when another coach wants him (I'll fully admit Duquesne being better without him is making me question my view but I don't know all the changes there). There were multiple possessions where we tried to run the most basic middle school action, it generated nothing, and then under 10 seconds left Primo did what he had to do and made the shot. He was the only player with the requisite handle to survive UConns defense. In this system, we'd have no chance without him. It's not his fault this is what the staff wants to run.
- Murray is good player who thinks he's better than he is? That's where I've landed at this point. If we were actually running something closer to a motion offense, I think he's smart enough to find holes and attack. But just ask him to run pnr, have the big hedge, force him to retreat, and then ask him to go 1 on 1? Nope. I'm glad we finally sorted out what position he was playing when he committed 8 turnovers. 2 offensive fouls where he lacked wiggle on dribble and tried to barrel someone over
[/div] [/quote] I have no disagreement with your comments on Primo for the most part. He is a talented player and has the ability to create his own shot. If we are trying and failing to run plays in our "offense" and nothing is there, then by all means let him do his thing. However, whatever "Primo hate" I am feeling has nothing to do with those moments. Rather, it's on the breaks where he makes no effort to look for the open man, but charges head first to the basket, going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. It's when he comes down early in the shot clock and makes no effort to run an offense, but instead forces a shot or launches one while still covered. It's the endless dribbling which is leading to TOs by defending guards. He is the PG and even a scoring PG should have more assists. I agree that Murray is talented but not nearly a complete player yet. In fact, if forced to pick only one, I would take Primo over Murray as I think he plays harder on defense. The fact that most of us will admit to feeling moments of optimism from last night's game is more a reflection of how much the bar has been lowered. I can say that if we played that way we might have defeated American, Loyola and South Carolina, but we did not and the pattern repeats that this team breaks down every game at some point. So far there are no answers. [/quote] Yes to be fair, he is by no means a perfect player and those plays frustrate and kill me too. I think the bad ones stick with us more and we shrug when he hits a difficult, contested 2 because we know that's not great offense. I don't think the alternative with him on the bench is some free flowing / off ball / motion offense. It would just be a worse 1-on-1 player trying to do what he does. In terms of bar being lowered, agree especially as it relates to things like claiming beating Siena is progress. Hanging around with number 2 on the road and leading in 2nd half? There are going to be plenty of NCAA tourney hopefuls that look worse at UConn. I think it's ok to acknowledge that. I also don't actually think it will lead to wins, we're in agreement there, which probably makes the whole exercise all the more frustrating.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2022 12:28:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately he is all we have to counter the centers in the Big East. Q has been around too long with two different coaching staffs to make the mistakes he does. What doesn't he get about get a good grip on the ball? What doesn't he get about don't put the ball on the floor after an offensive rebound or pass to the post? The slow "twitch factor" he does not have, but cannot help. But the best evaluation is he is "What we have." I watched Q a fair amount when he was in high school at Flint Hill, both as a junior and then senior. As a junior, had THE worst hands I'd ever seen and seemed to be THINKING too much about playing basketball and not enough time just PLAYING -- then, seemingly miraculously, had almost a velcro grip as a senior. (The Flint Hill coach is well-respected locally/did a good job developing him overall.) Q's hands serviceable as I recall as a frosh/soph at GU, and frankly didn't watch him for a minute while at UMD -- but know he lost his position to a better player (not sure how much role iron hands had in it). I do think Q's that extremely rare quantity that despite being seemingly incapable of it, CAN be coached up/get comfortable at catching the ball. A very low bar I realize (maybe he can catch the ball!), but if he doesn't develop that "skill" not sure it will be because of innate inability... Mark Turdgeon and Danny Manning really screwed Q up with their promises and teaching to try to turn him into Kevin Durant. He’s allot worse than he was sophomore year because of it. He is thinking too much because he was mentally damaged by Turdgeon, Manning and Maryland. He’s actually passing out of the post a lot more than before but often times he throws it right back out before the defense collapses which kind of makes the pass meaningless. And he’s hesitant to go right up because in the back of his head he’s thinking he has to pass it out. So with all the things he’s thinking about he reverts to fumbling the ball. I do think in the UConn game overall his post game was returning to the old Sophomore Q. If you look at last years national championship game, McLemore for Kansas McCormack was a one dimensional low post player as was Baicot for UNC. So despite what people say, a traditional big man is still highly effective in the NCAAs.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 21, 2022 13:13:35 GMT -5
Nobody screwed Q up everyone has gotten more looks at him and know he’s the biggest black hole maybe ever. He cannot pass out of a double to save his life. If he does pass out, it’s off the mark or the timing is way off negating any advantage and more time off the clock.
He’s an easy player to scout and prep for. Combine that with the worst coach in the country and it’s an unmitigated disaster. He’d be better off playing for a Huggins where they ugly the game up and he’d get maybe more physicality out of Wahab. But everyone knows what he is and even coaches who don’t like to double the post are doing so because Q won’t make them pay.
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 21, 2022 13:17:54 GMT -5
I'm legitimately conflicted about how I feel about last nights game. I think a lot of different points from posters that feel like they're in contradiction with each other can be true. - I think it's a testament to the offensive talent assembled by this staff that our offense is actually producing pretty good numbers when you consider how little help they get from the scheme itself. The offense is up to 61st in the country (per TRank) which puts us up to 7th in Big East. I'm not celebrating 7th, but those who were optimistic about being a bubble team, in a good big east 7th would probably have you in the discussion (outside looking in but involved). Even though our shot quality is truly terrible, we're offsetting that by not turning the ball over and crashing the glass. It's a simple quantity over quality game that's kinda working? Last night was the most PPP UConn has given up to anyone all season
- The Primo hate is a little crazy, Dante 2.0 who will get bashed by the fanbase and they'll be quick to retreat when another coach wants him (I'll fully admit Duquesne being better without him is making me question my view but I don't know all the changes there). There were multiple possessions where we tried to run the most basic middle school action, it generated nothing, and then under 10 seconds left Primo did what he had to do and made the shot. He was the only player with the requisite handle to survive UConns defense. In this system, we'd have no chance without him. It's not his fault this is what the staff wants to run.
- Murray is good player who thinks he's better than he is? That's where I've landed at this point. If we were actually running something closer to a motion offense, I think he's smart enough to find holes and attack. But just ask him to run pnr, have the big hedge, force him to retreat, and then ask him to go 1 on 1? Nope. I'm glad we finally sorted out what position he was playing when he committed 8 turnovers. 2 offensive fouls where he lacked wiggle on dribble and tried to barrel someone over
- And yet for all of that, I agree with others who question whether we'll ever actually win a game and if any of it matters. You're basically asking for the Hoyas to make extremely difficult shots while hoping the other team misses completely wide open shots. For a 10 minute stretch there in the 2nd half, that happened. Karaban missed 3 wide open 3s, Hurley didn't hesitate, went to his bench and found someone who can make them.
- I also agree with vv83 that I'm not convinced our bench would actually help in this scheme. Denver would be able to hit an open 3 but asking him to create that for others in pnr? Riley got 2 minutes and had a turnover / offensive foul driving to the hoop. The right answer is probably if you're going to end up with Primo going one on one anyway might as well play bench guys with him so other starters can get rest and play better defense. Like leave Bass in the dunker spot, run pick and pop w Akok and then at least you have an athlete on defense. Those were things we should've tried in the non conf, even for 5 minutes at risk of losing games we ended up losing anyway. Sometimes you'll be surprised what players can do if you show a little faith. The bench knows the staff doesnt trust them, its an impossible spot to be in
- If our defense was as good as our offense, we'd basically be 58th in TRank (Colorado is 59 offense / 58 defense and 58 overall) and they look like a bubble-ish team. Alas, our defense is 273rd. It's why I usually just bother with the defense thread. It's the only thing that matters
I don't hate Primo and I will cheer him on always. I defended Dante all of last year and Primo to an extent earlier this year because the bottom line it isn't their fault completely for their style of play . Primo said twice in interviews Ewing wants him to play this way. I think Primo can really score (although very poor 3 pt shooter both years) and he is easily our best ball handler but he isn't a PG. Once again that isn't his fault the team was constructed this way. Look at the first two BE opposing PGs stats compared to his stats those games. I am envious of pass first guards that are efficient and still fill up the points category. He has some amazing moves and his speed is elite but in my eyes he will never be a PG. He has been in two different systems now and he played the same way in both. I don't know much about the changes there either or their style of play but they are 9-3 (not really a tough schedule) and have way more assists than we do (180-153) in 1 less game and their assists are spread out so I can't imagine they run a similar offense so I'm not so sure he will ever be a pass first PG. I think we would be way better if we had any other starting BE PG or more importantly a different HC that probably would have looked for a different PG.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 21, 2022 13:22:35 GMT -5
If he is gone and that is a foregone conclusion, if we drop the game to Depaul, we should see less Murray/Mozone/Wahab who will have run out the clock and more Riley/Anglin/Mutombo. Please for the love of God, build for the future not the abysmal present. I think they still think they can go 4-16 in conference and then go on another miracle run at MSG to salvage the year. The problem with Riley/Anglin/Mutombo through no fault of their own is under the current NCAA rules they have a free transfer card they can use at any time. Even if they were happy and getting alot do PT, if NIL $$& or Kansas came calling they can Leave. This is exactly why Jay Wright left. You can no longer develop high school recruit players with that uncertainty.Under this rule set the player who has completed their freshman year is in most cases the most valuable recruit because once they transfer they no longer have their free transfer card. If you are going to invest time in player development then someone like the core five plus Bristol are where you would logically focus time since they can no longer transfer at the drop of a dime. It’s a horrible rule but that’s what the NCAA has done. Marquette says hello, along with Creighton, Nova, Xavier, St. John's, Seton Hall, Uconn, and Butler too... All of these teams are developing/playing kids who have "free" transfers left
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 21, 2022 14:26:20 GMT -5
The problem with Riley/Anglin/Mutombo through no fault of their own is under the current NCAA rules they have a free transfer card they can use at any time. Even if they were happy and getting alot do PT, if NIL $$& or Kansas came calling they can Leave. This is exactly why Jay Wright left. You can no longer develop high school recruit players with that uncertainty.Under this rule set the player who has completed their freshman year is in most cases the most valuable recruit because once they transfer they no longer have their free transfer card. If you are going to invest time in player development then someone like the core five plus Bristol are where you would logically focus time since they can no longer transfer at the drop of a dime. It’s a horrible rule but that’s what the NCAA has done. Marquette says hello, along with Creighton, Nova, Xavier, St. John's, Seton Hall, Uconn, and Butler too... All of these teams are developing/playing kids who have "free" transfers left How dare you spoil JDG’s “woe is Georgetown” narrative with facts and examples of other teams doing it (with with less money and resources).
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