What’s the recruiting pitch right now?

[1427hoya]

I don’t mean to be snarky, I am just wondering for you people who know more about basketball recruiting than me: what is the recruiting pitch a Georgetown coach gives a player right now?

I seriously want to know what has to be said to a decent player to have him consider the Hoyas? Is it even possible at this point?

I mean the team can’t beat anybody good, 0-20 in the BE last season, beating anyone in the BE this season seems unlikely, the current head coach is in his sixth season, players transfer out of here at astonishing pace, players are so young that they don’t even remember a good Hoyas team and couldn’t care less about bringing the program back to the “glory days”, morale seems to be terrible, and we don’t even get 1000 people in an arena that fits 20,000, no one has really improved as a player under the current coach.

I am honestly skeptical of any player who seriously decides to come to GU. I wonder what their problem is.

So what do you honestly tell a player right now?

Fill in the blank: come to Georgetown because [BLANK]

[trotters10]

GOOD QUESTION!

We can probably entice some transfers with playing time, and a free reign to play like a fool out there and not worry about getting benched (looking at you the last 2 games Primo). But actual freshmen recruits? I can't think of anything, we barely play our freshmen (outside of Aminu last year). It's downright depressing. We need a new coach/regime desperately to give us fans some hope.

I guess the only chance is to build that solid relationship with the player and his family. That does still matter for some recruits, and we actually seem quite good at that part, but as for what we do on the actual basketball court? I can't imagine what the pitch is there...

[hoyaboya]

$

[trillesthoya]

It’s NIL like everyone else. No player is coming here for development or NBA upside. Or maybe it’s that Gtown is the only high major recruiting them like lots of guys in the 2020 class.

[Bigs"R"Us]

There is no recruiting pitch to give high school seniors right now.

[iowa80]

This is why we need Pitino.

[DFW HOYA]

Nov 24, 2022 15:15:48 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

There is no recruiting pitch to give high school seniors right now.

Same as it was:

--Play in the Big East, lots of TV time
--Hall Of Fame coach
--Play at Capital One Arena
--Education (though graduation is not what it was)

What's not there right now?
--Top 25 program
--Compete for NCAA championship
--Pipeline of NBA players from the program

[hoyaguy]

Nov 24, 2022 15:52:47 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Nov 24, 2022 15:15:48 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

There is no recruiting pitch to give high school seniors right now.

Same as it was:

--Play in the Big East, lots of TV time
--Hall Of Fame coach
--Play at Capital One Arena
--Education (though graduation is not what it was)

What's not there right now?
--Top 25 program
--Compete for NCAA championship
--Pipeline of NBA players from the program

More like bottom 25 program now esp when you rate it on cost vs output

And if I was a parent and I found out Ewing contacted my kid I would say “thanks, no thanks” and block him on all phones based on what I’ve seen out of this program the last several years

[Bigs"R"Us]

Nov 24, 2022 15:52:47 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Nov 24, 2022 15:15:48 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

There is no recruiting pitch to give high school seniors right now.

Same as it was:

--Play in the Big East, lots of TV time
--Hall Of Fame coach
--Play at Capital One Arena
--Education (though graduation is not what it was)

What's not there right now?
--Top 25 program
--Compete for NCAA championship
--Pipeline of NBA players from the program

I was also thinking that freshmen get no run so it’s not appealing for a top recruit to come here and sit behind portal kids.

[madgesiq92]

NIL $ — I have heard we are very competitive.

[hoya9797]

Nov 24, 2022 16:44:06 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

NIL $ — I have heard we are very competitive.

Hard to understand how.

[vv83]

Nov 24, 2022 17:12:37 GMT -5 hoya9797 said:

Nov 24, 2022 16:44:06 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

NIL $ — I have heard we are very competitive.

Hard to understand how.

I can't see how we could have gotten Murray unless he received a strong NIL package, no matter how much he might like Nickelberry

[DFW HOYA]

Nov 24, 2022 18:28:13 GMT -5 vv83 said:

I can't see how we could have gotten Murray unless he received a strong NIL package, no matter how much he might like Nickelberry

That's very speculative. NIL stands for Name, Image, and Likeness--has anyone seen Murray's name, image, or likeness around town anywhere? It's not pay for play. Georgetown does not maintain a collective so that's not likely anyway.

The recruiting pitch to Murray could have been as simple as 1) moving closer to home where he has a familiar coach, 2) become the lead offensive option (something he probably doesn't get at LSU), and 3) The staff won't mind if he leaves after a year.

[TC]

Nov 24, 2022 18:52:21 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Nov 24, 2022 18:28:13 GMT -5 vv83 said:

I can't see how we could have gotten Murray unless he received a strong NIL package, no matter how much he might like Nickelberry

That's very speculative. NIL stands for Name, Image, and Likeness--has anyone seen Murray's name, image, or likeness around town anywhere? It's not pay for play. Georgetown does not maintain a collective so that's not likely anyway.

The recruiting pitch to Murray could have been as simple as 1) moving closer to home where he has a familiar coach, 2) become the lead offensive option (something he probably doesn't get at LSU), and 3) The staff won't mind if he leaves after a year.

I think you are both sort of right. I'm convinced that to get the high-status transfers we got to come to a team coming off of 0-20 that couldn't recruit anyone of consequence for 5 years there had to have been money involved, and if it was NIL $ we'd have seen it publicly.

[hoya9797]

Nov 25, 2022 8:57:49 GMT -5 TC said:

Nov 24, 2022 18:52:21 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

That's very speculative. NIL stands for Name, Image, and Likeness--has anyone seen Murray's name, image, or likeness around town anywhere? It's not pay for play. Georgetown does not maintain a collective so that's not likely anyway.

The recruiting pitch to Murray could have been as simple as 1) moving closer to home where he has a familiar coach, 2) become the lead offensive option (something he probably doesn't get at LSU), and 3) The staff won't mind if he leaves after a year.

I think you are both sort of right. I'm convinced that to get the high-status transfers we got to come to a team coming off of 0-20 that couldn't recruit anyone of consequence for 5 years there had to have been money involved, and if it was NIL $ we'd have seen it publicly.

It would be the absolute perfect capstone to the Patrick Ewing era if he managed to get the team in trouble for recruiting violations in an era when players can legally be paid.

[MrDouglass]

Nov 24, 2022 18:52:21 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Nov 24, 2022 18:28:13 GMT -5 vv83 said:

I can't see how we could have gotten Murray unless he received a strong NIL package, no matter how much he might like Nickelberry

That's very speculative. NIL stands for Name, Image, and Likeness--has anyone seen Murray's name, image, or likeness around town anywhere? It's not pay for play. Georgetown does not maintain a collective so that's not likely anyway.

The recruiting pitch to Murray could have been as simple as 1) moving closer to home where he has a familiar coach, 2) become the lead offensive option (something he probably doesn't get at LSU), and 3) The staff won't mind if he leaves after a year.

NIL may stand for name image likeness, but in reality NIL is pay for play. That is the reality in college sports now. I’m not saying I like it. It’s sad really. But as long as we aspire to compete in major basketball, we need to do as the Romans. Just to be clear, nobody is suggesting that we do something illegal. But obviously the major programs have figured out legal ways to maximize the impact of NIL dollars in recruiting, and just as obviously we have not yet caught on. If we are too squeamish to start a decent collective, we should get the hell out of Rome and cancel the program.

[hoya9797]

Nov 29, 2022 23:46:02 GMT -5 MrDouglass said:

Nov 24, 2022 18:52:21 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

That's very speculative. NIL stands for Name, Image, and Likeness--has anyone seen Murray's name, image, or likeness around town anywhere? It's not pay for play. Georgetown does not maintain a collective so that's not likely anyway.

The recruiting pitch to Murray could have been as simple as 1) moving closer to home where he has a familiar coach, 2) become the lead offensive option (something he probably doesn't get at LSU), and 3) The staff won't mind if he leaves after a year.

NIL may stand for name image likeness, but in reality NIL is pay for play. That is the reality in college sports now. I’m not saying I like it. It’s sad really. But as long as we aspire to compete in major basketball, we need to do as the Romans. Just to be clear, nobody is suggesting that we do something illegal. But obviously the major programs have figured out legal ways to maximize the impact of NIL dollars in recruiting, and just as obviously we have not yet caught on. If we are too squeamish to start a decent collective, we should get the hell out of Rome and cancel the program.

Why is it sad that these players who are largely responsible for the massive revenue generated by these sports are getting paid to play?

I doubt that GU is squeamish to start a collective but I do doubt that we have the internal and external capabilities and support to do it correctly.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Nov 30, 2022 7:46:55 GMT -5 hoya9797 said:

Nov 29, 2022 23:46:02 GMT -5 MrDouglass said:

NIL may stand for name image likeness, but in reality NIL is pay for play. That is the reality in college sports now. I’m not saying I like it. It’s sad really. But as long as we aspire to compete in major basketball, we need to do as the Romans. Just to be clear, nobody is suggesting that we do something illegal. But obviously the major programs have figured out legal ways to maximize the impact of NIL dollars in recruiting, and just as obviously we have not yet caught on. If we are too squeamish to start a decent collective, we should get the hell out of Rome and cancel the program.

Why is it sad that these players who are largely responsible for the massive revenue generated by these sports are getting paid to play?

I doubt that GU is squeamish to start a collective but I do doubt that we have the internal and external capabilities and support to do it correctly.

I see no problem with it but I would argue the "massive revenue" piece for our team. We are definitely losing money on our rent. We aren't getting tourney money that we generate. We basically do OK by virtue of riding coattails. We are like the tax payers of Mississippi to the Fed. That money is only flowing in one direction right now.

[DallasHoya]

The silver lining in Ewing’s coaching tenure is that I now have more time on my hands since I don’t need to read any of the recruiting posts or follow any of the recruiting websites any more. My chances of winning the lottery are now greater than a highly ranked HS recruit coming here while Ewing is coach, and this season will likely have the same effect on transfer recruits.

[prhoya]

Nov 30, 2022 10:35:07 GMT -5 DallasHoya said:

The silver lining in Ewing’s coaching tenure is that I now have more time on my hands since I don’t need to read any of the recruiting posts or follow any of the recruiting websites any more. My chances of winning the lottery are now greater than a highly ranked HS recruit coming here while Ewing is coach, and this season will likely have the same effect on transfer recruits.

Same here. I haven’t watched a recruiting video since last year’s crop. The idea that someone like Miranda would consider GU under Pat makes me question the advice he’s getting.