hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 21, 2022 11:51:02 GMT -5
Recognizing it's early, we're right where we were last year among the lowest rated high major teams in KenPom. Some highlights: We're 11th out of 11 Big East teams, 43 spots behind the next lowest Big East team (Butler). Among Power 6 schools, we're only ahead of: South Carolina, Minnesota, California and Oregon State Green Bay is #356 of 363. Coppin State is #294. Upcoming opponents include American (#302), UMBC (#305), and Siena (#248) - all of which are KenPom/RPI killers, beating them will tell us nothing. kenpom.com |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 21, 2022 12:00:23 GMT -5
Recognizing it's early, we're right where we were last year among the lowest rated high major teams in KenPom. Some highlights: We're 11th out of 11 Big East teams, 43 spots behind the next lowest Big East team (Butler). Among Power 6 schools, we're only ahead of: South Carolina, Minnesota, California and Oregon State Green Bay is #356 of 363. Coppin State is #294. Upcoming opponents include American (#302), UMBC (#305), and Siena (#248) - all of which are KenPom/RPI killers, beating them will tell us nothing. kenpom.comThat upcoming all includes South Carolina which as you mentioned if you in the very few power schools below us. Green Bay alone is an RPI killer when you don't have any quality wins. They may be the worst team in country and that's not an exaggeration. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 12:00:46 GMT -5
Glad we could make your day!
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 21, 2022 12:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 21, 2022 12:05:59 GMT -5
Glad we could make your day! How many more years of this do you think we need before we can fully evaluate the coach? |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 12:17:55 GMT -5
Going back almost twenty years, I have said that a coach should have eight to ten years before the school really knows what it has. I stand by that.
Look, I want the Hoyas to win with everything I have. I am sorry that we disagree about whether to support the coaching staff or not. At the end of the day, I trust that we both want the Hoyas to win. I will never comprehend why fans of the same team want to argue with each other- but I guess it is what it is. Go Hoyas; beat AU; and may you improve as the season goes on. At least some of us will be rooting for that.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 21, 2022 13:08:40 GMT -5
Going back almost twenty years, I have said that a coach should have eight to ten years before the school really knows what it has. I stand by that. Look, I want the Hoyas to win with everything I have. I am sorry that we disagree about whether to support the coaching staff or not. At the end of the day, I trust that we both want the Hoyas to win. I will never comprehend why fans of the same team want to argue with each other- but I guess it is what it is. Go Hoyas; beat AU; and may you improve as the season goes on. At least some of us will be rooting for that. I think 99.9% of this board supported Ewing, myself included who like the hire. Sorry this is not meant to come off rude but if you think any University should be waiting 10 years to evaluate a coach your not living in reality when it comes to college bball. I am not willing to watch the university give Ewing 30 million plus dollars for being a consistent loser for a decade. No one should. |
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 21, 2022 13:19:20 GMT -5
It’s not just wins and losses. It’s about playing good basketball. That’s what these metrics incorporate. So beating LaSalle wasn’t really a step forward. They are not good, and we did not look good. At the end of the day, it’s about making the tournament. And we don’t even have hope. That takes all the fun out of watching this team.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 13:29:31 GMT -5
Going back almost twenty years, I have said that a coach should have eight to ten years before the school really knows what it has. I stand by that. Look, I want the Hoyas to win with everything I have. I am sorry that we disagree about whether to support the coaching staff or not. At the end of the day, I trust that we both want the Hoyas to win. I will never comprehend why fans of the same team want to argue with each other- but I guess it is what it is. Go Hoyas; beat AU; and may you improve as the season goes on. At least some of us will be rooting for that. I think 99.9% of this board supported Ewing, myself included who like the hire. Sorry this is not meant to come off rude but if you think any University should be waiting 10 years to evaluate a coach your not living in reality when it comes to college bball. I am not willing to watch the university give Ewing 30 million plus dollars for being a consistent loser for a decade. No one should. No offense taken. I understand the convention is to be much less patient with coaches. But I think that is crap, which is why I have my own opinion. You are welcome to yours. I understand why other fans are frustrated with the program. |
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 21, 2022 13:41:03 GMT -5
It’s not just wins and losses. It’s about playing good basketball. That’s what these metrics incorporate. So beating LaSalle wasn’t really a step forward. They are not good, and we did not look good. At the end of the day, it’s about making the tournament. And we don’t even have hope. That takes all the fun out of watching this team. I think if we go 14-6 or better in the Big East, plus a couple wins in NYC, we'd have a shot at the NCAA tournament. Less than that, and based on the schedule the Thompson/Ewing regime put together and the results of the first 5 games, it would be very difficult to make the NCAAs. They've done this to themselves with the ridiculous schedule. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 21, 2022 13:46:59 GMT -5
I think 99.9% of this board supported Ewing, myself included who like the hire. Sorry this is not meant to come off rude but if you think any University should be waiting 10 years to evaluate a coach your not living in reality when it comes to college bball. I am not willing to watch the university give Ewing 30 million plus dollars for being a consistent loser for a decade. No one should. No offense taken. I understand the convention is to be much less patient with coaches. But I think that is crap, which is why I have my own opinion. You are welcome to yours. I understand why other fans are frustrated with the program. Do you think all professions deserve this much evaluation time or is just Georgetown basketball head coach? |
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 21, 2022 14:00:51 GMT -5
I think 99.9% of this board supported Ewing, myself included who like the hire. Sorry this is not meant to come off rude but if you think any University should be waiting 10 years to evaluate a coach your not living in reality when it comes to college bball. I am not willing to watch the university give Ewing 30 million plus dollars for being a consistent loser for a decade. No one should. No offense taken. I understand the convention is to be much less patient with coaches. But I think that is crap, which is why I have my own opinion. You are welcome to yours. I understand why other fans are frustrated with the program. Then you'd really hate soccer lol, the average coaching tenure in the top leagues of Europe it is less than 2 seasons, Italy in particular the average tenure is less than a season. College basketball used to be more different but now with NIL offers and free transfers it closer to professional than it has been so I think a fair first contract for a new coach is around 3-4 years as there should not be a long term commitment to a coach before you see any kind of performance especially for the insane money Ewing makes and how turning around a program got easier now |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 14:02:11 GMT -5
Every job is unique and must stand on its own merits. But I think college sports has gone crazy with the "win at all costs" philosophy, and I think GU can compete in the Big East AND avoid that convention.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 21, 2022 14:02:54 GMT -5
No offense taken. I understand the convention is to be much less patient with coaches. But I think that is crap, which is why I have my own opinion. You are welcome to yours. I understand why other fans are frustrated with the program. Then you'd really hate soccer lol, the average coaching tenure in the top leagues of Europe it is less than 2 seasons, Italy in particular the average tenure is less than a season. College basketball used to be more different but now with NIL offers and free transfers it closer to professional than it has been so I think a fair first contract for a new coach is around 3-4 years as there should not be a long term commitment to a coach before you see any kind of performance especially for the insane money Ewing makes and how turning around a program got easier now I do hate soccer- thanks! |
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 21, 2022 14:09:06 GMT -5
Every job is unique and must stand on its own merits. But I think college sports has gone crazy with the "win at all costs" philosophy, and I think GU can compete in the Big East AND avoid that convention. I've got bad news for you about GU basketball and the win at all costs mentality. We're the worst of both worlds in that we are definitely in win at all costs mode but are doing it with the biggest loser we could find. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 21, 2022 21:19:47 GMT -5
It’s not just wins and losses. It’s about playing good basketball. That’s what these metrics incorporate. So beating LaSalle wasn’t really a step forward. They are not good, and we did not look good. At the end of the day, it’s about making the tournament. And we don’t even have hope. That takes all the fun out of watching this team. I think if we go 14-6 or better in the Big East, plus a couple wins in NYC, we'd have a shot at the NCAA tournament. Less than that, and based on the schedule the Thompson/Ewing regime put together and the results of the first 5 games, it would be very difficult to make the NCAAs. They've done this to themselves with the ridiculous schedule. This is amusing, as I'm not sure we could go 14-6 in the MEAC. |
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