hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 19, 2022 12:29:40 GMT -5
I also wish him the best, think he was placed in an untenable position last season, and wish he would stay, because it might well make the team significantly better. Despite all that, though, I also think it would be unfortunate if he chooses to leave. Maybe I'm showing my age, but doesn't an education matter to these kids any more? If he transfers, I'm guessing it won't be to Duke or Stanford, or to an Ivy League school with no athletic scholarships. He also will never have a career in the NBA. Wouldn't remaining at Georgetown be to his benefit in the long run? And doesn't competition make everyone better? Possibly but I mean let’s not pretend there aren’t other great schools outside of those groupings to transfer too like Vanderbilt for example and isn’t his family in Tennessee. I get your point but why even stay at this point with such incompetence up top and if circumstances aren’t favorable. It’s not an ideal system but it’s the new world we live in
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 19, 2022 12:43:23 GMT -5
I also wish him the best, think he was placed in an untenable position last season, and wish he would stay, because it might well make the team significantly better. Despite all that, though, I also think it would be unfortunate if he chooses to leave. Maybe I'm showing my age, but doesn't an education matter to these kids any more? If he transfers, I'm guessing it won't be to Duke or Stanford, or to an Ivy League school with no athletic scholarships. He also will never have a career in the NBA. Wouldn't remaining at Georgetown be to his benefit in the long run? And doesn't competition make everyone better? Possibly but I mean let’s not pretend there aren’t other great schools outside of those groupings to transfer too like Vanderbilt for example and isn’t his family in Tennessee. I get your point but why even stay at this point with such incompetence up top and if circumstances aren’t favorable. It’s not an ideal system but it’s the new world we live in Or Belmont University, also in Nashville, which has had more success at NCAAs than Georgetown or Vanderbilt for that matter, lately.
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 19, 2022 13:39:49 GMT -5
I have frustration with our team's situation, too, BUT this board has rules against speculating on specific players transfers, no? Mods? Dante has not entered the portal. There may be other things more important for him to attend to, and/or he may still be committed to GU. We could have used him yesterday.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 19, 2022 14:56:20 GMT -5
I just don’t see 4 year players any more. Especially, if the freshman don’t get playing time and are recruited over in the portal. Revolving door. When you look at teams that are going deep in the tournament the last 4 to 6 years, most of them are playing junior and seniors a lot. The one and done programs aren't doing as well any longer, two or three go deep, but they are surrounded by schools with upperclassmen who are winning with defense and well coached teams that play team basketball. The change to the transfer portal has made a mess of things, but often it is mid-level players looking for more minutes and are impatient or feel they have been recruited over. There aren't a lot of great players moving around. Coaches need to know what their gaps are in their team and pull those types of players from the portal. But, a lot of players coming in to starting roles is going to make a mess of chemistry, which more mature teams that know each other well are going to eat the teams that haven't gelled alive. Basic chemistry can take 8 to 12 games. High school travel teams try to get a lot of multi-games a day tournaments in early to get that 8 to 12 game very basic gelling started. Travel teams that have stuck together well often do really well in these early spring tournaments. Same holds true for D1 college.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 19, 2022 15:30:21 GMT -5
I have frustration with our team's situation, too, BUT this board has rules against speculating on specific players transfers, no? Mods? Dante has not entered the portal. There may be other things more important for him to attend to, and/or he may still be committed to GU. We could have used him yesterday. It’s less speculation and more so encouragement bc I like Dante even with his flaws as a player and he works hard, and I’m just saying there are others schools that actually have admins that care about it’s students and athletes alike along with a competent coach, crazy I know lol and if those options would be to his benefit then I say save your eligibility go for it
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 19, 2022 17:07:06 GMT -5
A number of players that have transferred out have done well at their new homes and it’s not that they are playing down a level. We just don’t know how to use players strengths. It’s just one on one on offense which favors a selfish player.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 19, 2022 23:26:15 GMT -5
I hope whatever is wrong gets resolved and he is ok. But also if he can, get the heck out of here and don’t waste another year of eligibility here under these fools like be free of this mess Personally, I'm more of the ilk that, if things are failing, you try to stay to help if you care about your teammates. But, I respect your barely coherent expression of your opinion.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 19, 2022 23:31:27 GMT -5
Dante can transfer wherever he likes if that's the path he chooses. He can get a decent education in a lot of places. But, he's not a starting PG on another high major D1 team because he didn't earn the latitude elsewhere and, apparently, has now shown himself to be unwilling to compete for a starting spot. He's not good enough to make any demands with regard to playing time. That's just reality. He's also never coming close to going to the NBA and, in reality, choosing the best degree is, likely, the smart option. All that said, I very much hope he comes back because we know the kind of competitor he is and this team needs leadership.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 19, 2022 23:36:21 GMT -5
Pat’s just into playing a lot of guys.
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Post by TC on Nov 20, 2022 10:21:59 GMT -5
Dante can transfer wherever he likes if that's the path he chooses. He can get a decent education in a lot of places. But, he's not a starting PG on another high major D1 team because he didn't earn the latitude elsewhere and, apparently, has now shown himself to be unwilling to compete for a starting spot. He's not good enough to make any demands with regard to playing time. That's just reality. He's also never coming close to going to the NBA and, in reality, choosing the best degree is, likely, the smart option. All that said, I very much hope he comes back because we know the kind of competitor he is and this team needs leadership. "Choosing the best degree" only works when the program commits to keeping you around so you get that degree. After what happened to Ighoefe and Wilson, there's no guarantees that Georgetown's program cares about players getting their degrees, or prioritizes that over whatever short-term portal upgrade they think they can make.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 20, 2022 14:47:58 GMT -5
Dante can transfer wherever he likes if that's the path he chooses. He can get a decent education in a lot of places. But, he's not a starting PG on another high major D1 team because he didn't earn the latitude elsewhere and, apparently, has now shown himself to be unwilling to compete for a starting spot. He's not good enough to make any demands with regard to playing time. That's just reality. He's also never coming close to going to the NBA and, in reality, choosing the best degree is, likely, the smart option. All that said, I very much hope he comes back because we know the kind of competitor he is and this team needs leadership. "Choosing the best degree" only works when the program commits to keeping you around so you get that degree. After what happened to Ighoefe and Wilson, there's no guarantees that Georgetown's program cares about players getting their degrees, or prioritizes that over whatever short-term portal upgrade they think they can make. Wilson is still with the team as a manager and is still on scholarship. Not sure what you are talking about. Wilson has been doing really well academically. While he isn't SFS, he does have a major with decent work, has a minor (if I remember right), but also has around a 3.8GPA. His lack of play and being frustrated with that was impacting his academics and wanted to put more focus there and Georgetown accommodated him. All 13 basketball scholarships are bring used, so any financial aid Wilson receives is not athletic-related.--Admin
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Post by TC on Nov 20, 2022 15:01:47 GMT -5
His lack of play and being frustrated with that was impacting his academics and wanted to put more focus there and Georgetown accommodated him. Nobody on earth believes that. I doubt even you believe that.
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 20, 2022 15:21:25 GMT -5
"Choosing the best degree" only works when the program commits to keeping you around so you get that degree. After what happened to Ighoefe and Wilson, there's no guarantees that Georgetown's program cares about players getting their degrees, or prioritizes that over whatever short-term portal upgrade they think they can make. Wilson is still with the team as a manager and is still on scholarship. Not sure what you are talking about. Wilson has been doing really well academically. While he isn't SFS, he does have a major with decent work, has a minor (if I remember right), but also has around a 3.8GPA. His lack of play and being frustrated with that was impacting his academics and wanted to put more focus there and Georgetown accommodated him. All 13 basketball scholarships are bring used, so any financial aid Wilson receives is not athletic-related.--AdminYour ability to carry water for this coaching staff is remarkable.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 20, 2022 15:38:17 GMT -5
His lack of play and being frustrated with that was impacting his academics and wanted to put more focus there and Georgetown accommodated him. Nobody on earth believes that. I doubt even you believe that. You said they didn't look after player's academics. He has his scholarship and is team manager. Hoyas are looking out for him. Proof is on the court. He didn't play well, but the Hoya's commitment to scholarship was there and is there every game as he is still on the bench but not suited. Wilson said he was fine with this arrangement and wanted the Georgetown degree more than transferring to a lesser university to get playing time. Wilson said the Georgetown degree with have more long term benefits for him than playing minutes somewhere else.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 20, 2022 15:42:45 GMT -5
Yes, Georgetown converted his scholarship to non-athletic.
One of the interviews this summer mentioned the team manager is a scholarship role. I know the scout teams and undergrad help all get full NCAA Div1 benefits with the University and all signed NCAA rules and restrictions just like the players.
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Post by TC on Nov 20, 2022 15:48:27 GMT -5
You said they didn't look after player's academics. He has his scholarship and is team manager. Hoyas are looking out for him. Proof is on the court. You're absolutely right, proof is on the court. How many minutes has Wilson gotten this year? "It's not a run off because they made him a manager" is apologizing for the program.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 20, 2022 16:04:51 GMT -5
You said they didn't look after player's academics. He has his scholarship and is team manager. Hoyas are looking out for him. Proof is on the court. You're absolutely right, proof is on the court. How many minutes has Wilson gotten this year? "It's not a run off because they made him a manager" is apologizing for the program. Wilson doesn't get minutes as he isn't a player on the team. He gets a scholarship tied to the student team manager role. You were saying Hoyas didn't look after players academically. Wilson converted his role so it doesn't count against the player scholarships, but still gets a scholarship and is on the bench as manager, with other team managers / scout team. The men's team normally has their lead team manger with scholarship and it sounds like the provide one to four scholarships to undergrads who help around the team (it depends on the coach and the person's role). Pure scout team doesn't get scholarships, but have similar privileges to walk-ons, most of them travel with the Hoyas men's team. With Wilson he converted his scholarship to a non-player role and in an interview said he valued the Georgetown degree more than minutes elsewhere. The Hoya's team helped him make that change. Big Tim wanted minutes. I don't know that he was offered to change roles. Hoyas' coaches like most every other D1 school will sit with players after the season and explain to some their playing time will likely decrease the next year. The teams usually don't pull scholarships (unless there are violations of team or university rules), this is the bump to get players to find another spot on another team. But, sometimes the players just want something different. I don't know if Tim had a huge interest in a Georgetown degree, not all players do. But, Georgetown has a relatively high graduation rate, particularly for players that leave early to turn pro.
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Post by TC on Nov 20, 2022 17:06:33 GMT -5
But, Georgetown has a relatively high graduation rate, particularly for players that leave early to turn pro. Not under Ewing.
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Post by hoyaroc on Nov 22, 2022 6:33:22 GMT -5
But, Georgetown has a relatively high graduation rate, particularly for players that leave early to turn pro. Not under Ewing. Hopefully, we see improvements in the future. 😂
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 7, 2022 12:29:56 GMT -5
While not an unexpected outcome at this point, it is still not a good look for the team for Dante to enter the portal and leave Georgetown. I wish him nothing but the best in the rest of his career.
While I think he was miscast in his role as a Hoya, especially last season when way too much was expected of him from the staff, he always played hard and with a lot of heart/passion.
I think Primo is an upgrade on Dante in many ways, but it is evident that any good program needs two capable point guards, and the Hoyas really only have one at this point.
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