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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2022 20:38:58 GMT -5
The team went 0-20 last season and Pat cleaned house. Dante made the mistake of coming back. He should have moved on to new beginnings like all of his other teammates. Mutombo and Muresan are exceptions for obvious reason. I don’t see him coming back. Wish him the best.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 15, 2022 21:02:28 GMT -5
That's disappointing. Harris really seemed like quite the fighter but I guess not? I get that everyone wants to play, but does no one no want to work to win time? Harris is plenty talented enough to compete. He could absolutely still be a big contributor for us. He could be, but he's also been here two years and has seen Ewing's bench usage patterns - and you're realistically asking a kid who played 30+ minutes his first two years to be happy playing 5-10 minutes a game. Can you blame him for preserving his eligibility and going elsewhere? This is exactly right. Harris isn’t playing over Spears, he isn’t playing over Heath, and he isn’t playing over Murray. All after being propped up by Ewing as some sort of great player when it was convenient for Ewing to prop him up like that. Can’t blame the kid for leaving. Hopefully he moves down a level or two and gets 30+ minutes/game or goes to a Power 6 school and plays a role as a backup. Most importantly, hopefully he continues to educate himself on somebody else’s dime and prepares himself for success in life. |
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 15, 2022 21:09:39 GMT -5
He could be, but he's also been here two years and has seen Ewing's bench usage patterns - and you're realistically asking a kid who played 30+ minutes his first two years to be happy playing 5-10 minutes a game. Can you blame him for preserving his eligibility and going elsewhere? This is exactly right. Harris isn’t playing over Spears, he isn’t playing over Heath, and he isn’t playing over Murray. All after being propped up by Ewing as some sort of great player when it was convenient for Ewing to prop him up like that. Can’t blame the kid for leaving. Hopefully he moves down a level or two and gets 30+ minutes/game or goes to a Power 6 school and plays a role as a backup. Most importantly, hopefully he continues to educate himself on somebody else’s dime and prepares himself for success in life. That’s a nice thought. We’ll see if the alternatives at PG are a significant improvement. So far I see shoot first and . . . |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 15, 2022 21:11:42 GMT -5
That's disappointing. Harris really seemed like quite the fighter but I guess not? I get that everyone wants to play, but does no one no want to work to win time? Harris is plenty talented enough to compete. He could absolutely still be a big contributor for us. He could be, but he's also been here two years and has seen Ewing's bench usage patterns - and you're realistically asking a kid who played 30+ minutes his first two years to be happy playing 5-10 minutes a game. Can you blame him for preserving his eligibility and going elsewhere? It's hard to blame anyone individually for leaving this program. But I think it's a problem overall that there's definitely a culture overall in college basketball of always blaming the coach for being unfair in PT decisions. The constant transfers for those reasons are definitely killing a lot of joy for me. It's not just Georgetown being terrible, though that, too. It's hard to blame players for wanting freedom of movement or to get paid, but it is rapidly becoming minor league basketball and not college basketball. Without the connection to the school or player development, the NBA is simply a better product. |
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Post by TC on Nov 16, 2022 5:44:36 GMT -5
He could be, but he's also been here two years and has seen Ewing's bench usage patterns - and you're realistically asking a kid who played 30+ minutes his first two years to be happy playing 5-10 minutes a game. Can you blame him for preserving his eligibility and going elsewhere? It's hard to blame anyone individually for leaving this program. But I think it's a problem overall that there's definitely a culture overall in college basketball of always blaming the coach for being unfair in PT decisions. The constant transfers for those reasons are definitely killing a lot of joy for me. It's not just Georgetown being terrible, though that, too. Is that actually happening at Georgetown outside of Jalen Harris and Dante Harris? Or is Ewing running kids who get no playing time off like he did this offseason? Dante Harris played 30 mpg his first year, won Big East Tournament MVP, played 32 mpg his second year, made Big East All-Academic team, played through injuries, and if he stayed this year he would have virtually no playing time. Do we really think that is a fair ask of a player? Like it or not, if you play a player 30 minutes a game for their first two years, you are setting an expectation. A reasonable person might think asking a player who was a starter for two years to sit bench in a short rotation for their junior and senior years is not a fair ask. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 16, 2022 9:15:14 GMT -5
Obviously Harris isn’t handling this well but it’s fair to wonder how it was communicated and if that has anything to do with his reaction. It’s hardly the first time that a starter has lost his job and not the first time that the starter has decided to leave. But, given the incredible and constant exodus from this team and school under this coach, it seems pretty clear that the coach and the way he handles these situations has something to do with the way the players react and their decisions, en masse, to flee.
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Post by bills on Nov 16, 2022 11:09:04 GMT -5
You don’t earn playing time based on what you did last season. You earn playing time in practice this season. If you are not willing to compete for playing time in practice and accept that someone may beat you out for the starting role, then you should either give up playing college basketball or go to a lowly ranked school where you will have little competition.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 16, 2022 11:24:56 GMT -5
You don’t earn playing time based on what you did last season. You earn playing time in practice this season. If you are not willing to compete for playing time in practice and accept that someone may beat you out for the starting role, then you should either give up playing college basketball or go to a lowly ranked school where you will have little competition. Unfortunately Bills I think we are the lowly ranked school. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2022 19:46:11 GMT -5
Oddly reminiscent of him taking Jalen Harris' spot and having Jalen disappear into the ether. The Vanishing Harrises I have all of their albums. |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 16, 2022 22:11:33 GMT -5
I hope all works out with Dante and that leads him back to the team. If not, best of luck to him. It's understandable that he'd be disappointed but, after an 0-20 season, if he was surprised that the staff might be looking to upgrade at, literally, every position, and he chose to take his ball and go home, I'm fine with it. I hope he doesn't regret, apparently, having done so. The writing was on the wall so, to me, the "manner in which it was presented" argument doesn't hold much water after last season. No, the failure isn't entirely on the coaches and it's not entirely on the players. I'm sure the coaches were concerned they'd be replaced/upgraded. The players should have been as well. Yes, it's a bit harsh. But, this isn't some rec league. The guys know the stakes.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 17, 2022 0:37:15 GMT -5
It's funny that so many use the line of thinking that we were 0-20 so Dante should've expected what was coming yet our PG now went 1-19 last year in a lower conference. I get that Primo is the fan favorite right now but I think some opinions will change as the season goes on.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 17, 2022 1:00:23 GMT -5
If all of this is true, why isn't Dante in the portal? I think he is a valuable player. It sounds like he's in a desert.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 17, 2022 11:34:52 GMT -5
It's funny that so many use the line of thinking that we were 0-20 so Dante should've expected what was coming yet our PG now went 1-19 last year in a lower conference. I get that Primo is the fan favorite right now but I think some opinions will change as the season goes on. I think it's more that we were winless so he should have expected to have to compete for the job. I don't think that's a crazy thought. |
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Nov 17, 2022 14:16:45 GMT -5
It's the way of the world now - not saying this is Dante's case - but with the open portal kids don't have to fight for PT any more - they can just move on to another situation where they think the problem will be solved.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 17, 2022 20:08:50 GMT -5
I also wish him the best, think he was placed in an untenable position last season, and wish he would stay, because it might well make the team significantly better. Despite all that, though, I also think it would be unfortunate if he chooses to leave. Maybe I'm showing my age, but doesn't an education matter to these kids any more? If he transfers, I'm guessing it won't be to Duke or Stanford, or to an Ivy League school with no athletic scholarships. He also will never have a career in the NBA. Wouldn't remaining at Georgetown be to his benefit in the long run? And doesn't competition make everyone better?
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 17, 2022 21:00:02 GMT -5
I want Dante to have a good life, whatever he chooses to do. If I recall he was progressing as a student and he gave all he had to the team. Let's let this 20 year old (?) make his own decision without second guessing him. God speed, Dante.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 18, 2022 21:31:48 GMT -5
It sounds like Dante is still in classes (but also some remote) and does have personal / family issues. He is away from the team and may be issues there as well, but it sounds like it is much more than that. Sounds like tough things away from the court, or could be.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 19, 2022 8:24:58 GMT -5
Personally, I miss him. He had a team concept. Dont know if he will be back, but it's a loss for the Hoyas
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 19, 2022 9:49:41 GMT -5
I just don’t see 4 year players any more. Especially, if the freshman don’t get playing time and are recruited over in the portal. Revolving door.
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 19, 2022 12:26:17 GMT -5
I hope whatever is wrong gets resolved and he is ok. But also if he can, get the heck out of here and don’t waste another year of eligibility here under these fools like be free of this mess
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