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Post by bornhoya on Apr 20, 2024 19:00:11 GMT -5
In the pre-NIL era, I imagine that some but not all athletes pursued a degree meaningfully. Some athletes don’t prioritize it. Others may simply be unable to complete the rigorous coursework of a serious major and fulfill their athletic obligations. In this new era, I expect this only gets harder. I fear even fewer will end up with degrees. Ones that want to graduate graduate the ones that don’t care about it don’t same as before but atleast now they leave with money in their pockets
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 20, 2024 21:03:14 GMT -5
In the pre-NIL era, I imagine that some but not all athletes pursued a degree meaningfully. Some athletes don’t prioritize it. Others may simply be unable to complete the rigorous coursework of a serious major and fulfill their athletic obligations. In this new era, I expect this only gets harder. I fear even fewer will end up with degrees. Ones that want to graduate graduate the ones that don’t care about it don’t same as before but atleast now they leave with money in their pockets Yes, and no. If you've been at 3 schools in 4 years (or more), it's virtually impossible to graduate no matter how smart you are. Before free transfers without sitting, virtually nobody did 3+ schools over the course of their career. Now, it is much more common, and thus, fewer graduates are likely.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 21, 2024 13:16:22 GMT -5
Ones that want to graduate graduate the ones that don’t care about it don’t same as before but atleast now they leave with money in their pockets Yes, and no. If you've been at 3 schools in 4 years (or more), it's virtually impossible to graduate no matter how smart you are. Before free transfers without sitting, virtually nobody did 3+ schools over the course of their career. Now, it is much more common, and thus, fewer graduates are likely. Brings the thread full circle, how many of you would take a guy back for their 4th or 5th year if they had a role in line with their performance both at and away from Georgetown (ex Dante). If graduating is on their mind at that point, how would you feel about them coming back to the Hoyas to finish up a couple years of classes and contribute on the court (even just in practices) or as a grad coach once their eligibility is up and they’re finishing their degree/playing professionally. That could build good will among players and parents who do value the education but also feel like they need to explore all options earlier in a players career. Or would the bridge be burnt for you?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 21, 2024 14:44:40 GMT -5
Yes, and no. If you've been at 3 schools in 4 years (or more), it's virtually impossible to graduate no matter how smart you are. Before free transfers without sitting, virtually nobody did 3+ schools over the course of their career. Now, it is much more common, and thus, fewer graduates are likely. Brings the thread full circle, how many of you would take a guy back for their 4th or 5th year if they had a role in line with their performance both at and away from Georgetown (ex Dante). If graduating is on their mind at that point, how would you feel about them coming back to the Hoyas to finish up a couple years of classes and contribute on the court (even just in practices) or as a grad coach once their eligibility is up and they’re finishing their degree/playing professionally. That could build good will among players and parents who do value the education but also feel like they need to explore all options earlier in a players career. Or would the bridge be burnt for you? Hey, if the guy is paying tuition I don't care. But I definitely wouldn't want him getting any money from the University, money that could be better spent on scholarships for low income kids.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 22, 2024 20:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 24, 2024 12:22:42 GMT -5
Fond memories...
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 24, 2024 13:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 24, 2024 14:46:19 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust! Core down to 2 and losing upperclassmen… Someone spin this! Sour 🍇?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 19:53:11 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust! Core down to 2 and losing upperclassmen… Someone spin this! Sour 🍇? The obvious spin is that Cook wasn't as good as the guys that Georgetown is bringing in this year and therefore was politely shown the door, since he didn't want to stay and play less. He could have stayed but wasn't guaranteed to get as many minutes as last season. So it's best for all parties that Cook leaves and we wish him the best. Just don't look up any preseason quotes last year from Cooley about setting the culture in his first year and building a core, because that won't fit the narrative...
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 19:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 24, 2024 20:24:27 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust! Core down to 2 and losing upperclassmen… Someone spin this! Sour 🍇? The obvious spin is that Cook wasn't as good as the guys that Georgetown is bringing in this year and therefore was politely shown the door, since he didn't want to stay and play less. He could have stayed but wasn't guaranteed to get as many minutes as last season. So it's best for all parties that Cook leaves and we wish him the best. Just don't look up any preseason quotes last year from Cooley about setting the culture in his first year and building a core, because that won't fit the narrative... I dont think anyone believes Cook, Mahood, and Styles were "core" guys when they werent gonna be here more than 1-2 years. I could see the argument that Rowan was expected to be one but unfortunately for him he was recruited over
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Post by prhoya on Apr 24, 2024 21:25:29 GMT -5
The obvious spin is that Cook wasn't as good as the guys that Georgetown is bringing in this year and therefore was politely shown the door, since he didn't want to stay and play less. He could have stayed but wasn't guaranteed to get as many minutes as last season. So it's best for all parties that Cook leaves and we wish him the best. Just don't look up any preseason quotes last year from Cooley about setting the culture in his first year and building a core, because that won't fit the narrative... I dont think anyone believes Cook, Mahood, and Styles were "core" guys when they werent gonna be here more than 1-2 years. I could see the argument that Rowan was expected to be one but unfortunately for him he was recruited over Ish is ineligible, so he cannot be part of any “core”. If you have been reading since the end of the season, the other three were considered part of it.
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 24, 2024 21:44:51 GMT -5
I dont think anyone believes Cook, Mahood, and Styles were "core" guys when they werent gonna be here more than 1-2 years. I could see the argument that Rowan was expected to be one but unfortunately for him he was recruited over Ish is ineligible so he cannot be part of any “core”. If you have been reading since the end of the season, the other three were considered part of it. You mean people on here thought he was part of the core? I never saw anyone mention him specifically but I do skip over a lot. I find it hard to believe anyone even on here would believe Cook was part of any core for a Power 5 team. I don't even see him as a contributor on a competitive HM team. If he had anything more than spot minutes we are in trouble. I wouldn't be surprised to see him follow Bristol to Hampton where he will get a ton of PT and probably excel. Now the other two I would have definitely liked to keep (on my list Styles was 2 and Rowan 3 behind Fielder with Fielder and Styles the only two must keep).
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Post by prhoya on Apr 24, 2024 21:51:48 GMT -5
Ish is ineligible so he cannot be part of any “core”. If you have been reading since the end of the season, the other three were considered part of it. You mean people on here thought he was part of the core? I never saw anyone mention him specifically but I do skip over a lot. I find it hard to believe anyone even on here would believe Cook was part of any core for a Power 5 team. I don't even see him as a contributor on a competitive HM team. If he had anything more than spot minutes we are in trouble. I wouldn't be surprised to see him follow Bristol to Hampton where he will get a ton of PT and probably excel. Now the other two I would have definitely liked to keep (on my list Styles was 2 and Rowan 3 behind Fielder with Fielder and Styles the only two must keep). Yes, not as a starter, but as an upperclass contributor with one year of experience under Cooley.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 21:55:37 GMT -5
Ish is ineligible so he cannot be part of any “core”. If you have been reading since the end of the season, the other three were considered part of it. You mean people on here thought he was part of the core? I never saw anyone mention him specifically but I do skip over a lot. I find it hard to believe anyone even on here would believe Cook was part of any core for a Power 5 team. I don't even see him as a contributor on a competitive HM team. If he had anything more than spot minutes we are in trouble. I wouldn't be surprised to see him follow Bristol to Hampton where he will get a ton of PT and probably excel. Now the other two I would have definitely liked to keep (on my list Styles was 2 and Rowan 3 behind Fielder with Fielder and Styles the only two must keep). I think Cook will end up at a higher level than Hampton. He was much more productive than Bristol and plays a more premium position. Keep an eye out for Seton Hall.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 25, 2024 9:09:43 GMT -5
With the caveat that I wanted to retain Brumbaugh and Cook, there is really little harm in losing part of a core that went 2-18, especially Cook considering that his defense was a major reason why we stunk last year. Now, if the freshman like Sorber and Mulready turn out to be good, and they leave, that would be a very different conversation.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 27, 2024 15:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 27, 2024 15:36:46 GMT -5
LSU ⬇️ Georgetown ⬇️ Ole Miss ⬇️ McNeese
Opportunities lost.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Apr 27, 2024 18:31:13 GMT -5
You reap what you sow. We have indeed seen some interesting downward trajectories for players leaving Georgetown.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 27, 2024 18:47:03 GMT -5
You reap what you sow. We have indeed seen some interesting downward trajectories for players leaving Georgetown. Or… Murray is back with his former LSU coach and earning more NIL$ than in any other school…
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