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Post by Admin on Sept 9, 2022 19:23:08 GMT -5
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Sept 10, 2022 9:38:52 GMT -5
I'd be ok with the Hoya Cocktail linked as Drink of the Week in the second article.
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2022 16:07:42 GMT -5
1st quarter series:
Georgetown: Six plays to midfield, punt to L20. Lehigh: Six plays, a net of three yards, punt to G40. Georgetown: Five plays to L1. Offense reverts to 2009: 3 plays, -5 yards, settles for FG. G 3-0 2:41 1st Lehigh: Five plays to midfield, punt to G21.
End of 1, 3-0.
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2022 16:37:17 GMT -5
2nd quarter series:
Georgetown: Three and out, punt to L45 Lehigh: Three plays to G17, fumble Georgetown: Eight plays, 90 yards, 20 yd pass to Biesteck. G 10-0 9:30 2nd Lehigh: Six plays, 74 yards, converts 4th and 1. G 10-7 6:00 2nd Georgetown: Five plays, short punt to L38. Lehigh: Five plays, 62 yards, 10 yd pass. L 14-10 1:13 2nd Georgetown: Five plays, stalls inside the 10. L 14-13 0:00 2nd
Halftime, 14-13
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2022 17:52:53 GMT -5
3rd quarter series:
Lehigh: Five plays, 72 yards, 20 yd. easy TD run. Big plays shredding the GU defense. L 21-13 12:34 3rd Georgetown: 13 plays to L7, bad pass on 4th and goal. Lehigh: Eight plays, punt to G20
End of 3, 21-13
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Post by Admin on Sept 10, 2022 18:33:21 GMT -5
4th quarter series:
Georgetown: 14 plays inside L20, fails on 4th and 1. Lehigh: Seven plays, INT at G10. Georgetown: Four plays, short punt to midfield. Lehigh: Three and out, punt to G20 4:25 4th Georgetown: 12 plays, 80 yards, 20 yd pass to Tomas. Two point conv. failed. L 21-19 1:09 4th
Onside kick fails. Final, 21-19.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 10, 2022 19:15:39 GMT -5
Well, the Hoyas had more yardage and more first downs (29-15), but lost in the most important part of the game, the SCORE. Sigh!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 11, 2022 17:38:52 GMT -5
Comments from a Lehigh fan after the game on another message board.
"Lehigh is a poorly coached team who has some nice pieces but overall lags behind Fordham and Holy Cross by a wide margin which is sad to see given Lehigh's general talent base the last 25 years. I have a hard time seeing more than 4 wins. The next month is going to be rough.
"Georgetown is not a well-coached team. The "Sgarlata does so much with so little" narrative has thankfully finally fallen by the wayside. His teams do not play smart, fundamental football and his in-game decision making is awful. Georgetown outplayed Lehigh last night but made far more mistakes."
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Sept 12, 2022 8:10:03 GMT -5
They definitely beat themselves. 1st and goal at 1. 3 plays of nothing and then offsides when going for it on 4th. Had to settle for FG. Running into the wedge for the personal foul was really dumb. Prolonged that series and lost field position in the process. The 4th quarter stop of Lehigh and then personal foul for handing the ball to the Lehigh received was dumb. They needed that time and lost it on that idiot move.
There is potential with this team to be a middle of the pack patriot league squad. That is probably what we should be based off the limited resources of the program. Unfortunately I don't see a lot of W's ahead as Lehigh is definitely one of the weaker squads in the league.
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Post by teddy16 on Sept 12, 2022 16:59:00 GMT -5
our 2 best chances for PL wins were Lehigh and Bucknell. statistically, we won that game decisively - time of possession, total offense, !st downs etc.., but on scoreboard we lose (only stat that counts). Moral victories are meaningless if thats how this program is continually measured. I saw that Rutgers paid Wagner $425
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Post by teddy16 on Sept 12, 2022 17:03:20 GMT -5
Rutgers paid Wagner $425k to lose x 60 points. we dont give scholarships so no FBS school would want to play us, but "if" we did provide scholarships couldnt we earn closer to $1mm for playing a Rutgers or MD (as Howard has done). our brand would earn > $$$ I would think. wouldnt such a strategy pay for us to improve the talent on our program and thus augment talent of student athletes and perhaps coaching//
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 12, 2022 19:06:36 GMT -5
Outside of the Ivy and Pioneer, Georgetown is one of just two of 115 FCS schools without a guarantee game. The labryinth of bureaucracy from Rob Sgarlata through Lee Reed up to Jack DeGioia to actually seek this kind of competition speaks volumes as to the inertia around football.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Sept 12, 2022 19:35:31 GMT -5
Outside of the Ivy and Pioneer, Georgetown is one of just two of 115 FCS schools without a guarantee game. The labryinth of bureaucracy from Rob Sgarlata through Lee Reed up to Jack DeGioia to actually seek this kind of competition speaks volumes as to the inertia around football. I noticed that Colgate opened against Stanford a week ago. That's the type of opponent that would wipe the field with the Hoyas but might stimulate some student interest. Other nominees for potential guarantee games include: 1) Navy (maybe in exchange for a men's BB game); 2) ACC candidates such as Wake or Duke; 3) Villanova (less of a guarantee game). I've always maintained the OOC schedule should have 3 Ivies and, instead of the Marists/St. Francis of the world, one local opponent (most likely Howard), one "similarly situated" school like Davidson and one "guarantee game" where GU would get demolished but also with a "similarly situated" school (i.e. Northwestern/Vandy etc.)....
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Post by teddy16 on Sept 13, 2022 8:08:03 GMT -5
right - and the guarantee game should pay GU considerable $ which would offfset the cost to going scholarship from our current 'needs' based structure. i have always heard that from GU admin is going scholarship costs too much vs overall athletics budget. A Duke, WF, MD, Northwestern, Vandy type school is going to pay GU handsomely to get a guarantee win. it'd be interesting to learn what Colgate received to play Stanford. a different approach is more than warranted with this program
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 13, 2022 20:53:25 GMT -5
right - and the guarantee game should pay GU considerable $ which would offfset the cost to going scholarship from our current 'needs' based structure. i have always heard that from GU admin is going scholarship costs too much vs overall athletics budget. A Duke, WF, MD, Northwestern, Vandy type school is going to pay GU handsomely to get a guarantee win. it'd be interesting to learn what Colgate received to play Stanford. a different approach is more than warranted with this program Ummm... no, no number of guarantee games would "offfset the cost to going scholarship." One year of Georgetown tuition is $62,000 right now. Housing is another $12,000-14,000 and board is $6,000-7,200. So one year of a football player is around $80,000. A million dollar guarantee game buys you ~12.5 players. Three such games gets you ~37.5. That's a little over half of the 60-scholarship Patriot League limit. Btw, that cost of each football player? Take it and double it for Title IX compliance matching.
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Post by teddy16 on Sept 14, 2022 9:34:48 GMT -5
the Ivys and GU are a needs based financial model for football-correct? under the ivy model an athlete can qualify as a 'needs' student up to $250k in family income and get 100% support. (you cant tell me that the Ivy's on their need model produce a lower budget than the PL model). the rest of PL is scholarship (60 student full scholarship limit - i think). what is our budget on just student athletes vs Lehigh? using your figure of $72k (i know this cost i have a child who's a senior in college this year) on 60 kids thats - $4.3mm. coaching staff and other miscellaneous costs drive that number to approaching $6mm. that figure is what they reported recently- a fact. i saw a figure of $2.4mm for our football budget. Forgetting student athlete costs - the coaching and other real out of pocket (operating)costs have to be similar maybe ours are 20% less. (ie., Lehighs out of pocket are $1mm - Gu's $750-800k - my estimation). assuming that our student athlete costs are $1.6mm vs Lehigh's $4.3mm. By the way, arent those costs 'soft' costs?? they are actually revenue or tuition foregone costs (the school doesnt actually pay the students - they forego the tuition). also, and i know this for a fact - almost all private schools recognize/identify what percentage of the students who apply can pay the full freight (they claim otherwise but thats nonsense). baked into that full paying $72k is (at least in part) to help defray or subsidize students who need fin'l assistance (again - a fact). in otherwords, eliminate the student/athlete costs for a second when you compare football overall budgets. GU's out of pocket or real operating expenses are $750k - you dont think covering those costs with a "guarantee" game make a real difference in how we approach this sport and allow us to upgrade??- i dont agree. the overall budget for the university allows us to raise tuition for those who can afford to help cover what is foregone for those who cant. we transfer our needs model or increase the amount allocated (as the Ivys do) and we are there. what am i missing?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 14, 2022 12:53:30 GMT -5
We're talking about a number of different things here.
1. Ivy financial aid is independent from and superior to Georgetown, but it means nothing if the prospect isn't admitted. The fastest way to turn around the program is to either seek a wavier from the PL admission rules or leave the conference entirely. This week's opponent is a good comparison. In 2003, no kid was choosing Monmouth over Georgetown, and GU narrowly lost 12-10. Hint: It won't be 12-10 this week.
2. Georgetown's operating expenses for football in 2019-20 were $407,540 out of a budget of $2.2 million--it did not report a total for 2020-21. Yes, a guarantee game covers these costs but no FBS school will touch a school below 56.7 equivalencies so as not to damage their bowl eligibility, because a game vs. a school below 56.7 doesn't count as one of the six wins needed for a bowl invite. That said, Georgetown does not need 56.7 full rides to meet this target as NEC schools have worked around this for years. But to be frank, as long as the senior administration considers scholarships in 29 sports as a full part of the "ethos and culture of Georgetown" but one sport isn't, this isn't a pressing argument.
3. In no other sport does Georgetown tie its fate to being like the Ivy League, a conference that has as much institutional interest in Georgetown football as Big East basketball has with St. Bonaventure. Maybe we need to consider a strategy that does not revolve around the Ivy League.
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Post by teddy16 on Sept 14, 2022 13:55:20 GMT -5
yeah i hear you. this week will be a tough game - dont see any upside in scheduling a Monmouth (why dont we play Nova instead and would kill us). getting a waiver from PL admission rules- that seems achievable (given how poor our record has been for 2 decades). leaving the PL - i dont think we could be an independent and survive. Monmouth recently joined CAA in a step up. thier budget for football is >$5mm. the CAA is a lot better conference than PL - with Nova, Richmond, William & Mary, UNH etc.., We need to change the equivalencies and/or get a conference which will allow us greater admissions flexibility for one. would the CAA work and accomodate us - do you think? they charged MC $500k to join.
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