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Post by daveg023 on Jul 2, 2022 17:40:33 GMT -5
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Post by bluegray79 on Jul 3, 2022 9:10:51 GMT -5
Yes, lots of unknowns to be sure. But didn't we improve at every position? From where I sit, we are more athletic, better shooting, have a deeper bench, are longer and more versatile at forward and center, have the pieces to definitely be better defensively. Agree or disagree?
If we are going to pin a weaker all-around squad last year on questionable recruiting and poor retention, then it looks like coaches and staff have gone all in on recruiting a better group. Who will play, how will the pieces fit together best -- these are questions we hope are well on their way to being figured out by October/November. Will the coaches create a culture these kids will buy into and grow and mature from?
If you agree with my first point, then you probably see what my big point here is -- it's on the coaches now -- start to finish. They got the go-ahead to go out and bring in players. There is definitely talent there, but talent is only half the battle. How will the staff make it come together and make the best use of that talent will in large part determine if we are a middle of the BE pack or scrapping with DePaul, Butler, & Marquette for some respectability.
Like most of you, I want so badly to believe that this 2022-23 team will make us relevant in the college hoops world again and set us up for a decade or more of proud Hoya basketball. The BE is absolutely loaded - we got our work cut out for us, no doubt about it. We have players, facilities, resources, fans (they're still out there. They'll come back big time once we start winning...) -- now we hand it all over to a coaching staff that has to prove it can do the job. Let's go, Hoyas.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jul 3, 2022 18:20:15 GMT -5
Looks like Washington State and Oregon State are going to be in the new Pacific 4 with Colorado and Utah.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2022 19:02:48 GMT -5
Looks like Washington State and Oregon State are going to be in the new Pacific 4 with Colorado and Utah. Colorado and Utah are part of the four team parlay, with Arizona and Arizona State. There is chatter ND and Stanford are working as a team to go B10 and would go in together, leaving five schools: Cal, Oregon, Oregon St., Washington, and Washington St. The odd men out are in Corvallis and Pullman. It will be interesting to see if the networks learn for what they did not do with the Big East and actively try to put the Pac-12 out of business rather than let them rebuild with Boise, UNLV, Hawaii, or even SMU (who wants to go somewhere but can't get the Big 12 to return its calls). This may be a dress rehearsal for what happens when the SEC comes calling. If you're Boston College, Wake Forest, Louisville, Pitt or even Syracuse, size and location are not on your side.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 4, 2022 15:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 4, 2022 17:28:49 GMT -5
It’ll be interesting to see if additional moves by the major football conferences end up having ripple effects to the BE. Maybe, we end up with Gonzaga and/or Kansas or lose UConn. Would love to see us in a ravaged ACC, but I don’t see it. Schools like Notre Dame, UVA and UNC are always targets.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 4, 2022 17:47:43 GMT -5
Question #1: The Big Ten goes sea-to-shining-sea with Rutgers and Maryland on the Atlantic and USC and UCLA on the Pacific. How long before Stanford, Cal Berkeley, Washington and Oregon also migrate to the Big Ten...and we see an Eastern and Western Division? Question #2: What happens to the Pac-12? Losing Los Angeles from the self-appointed "Conference of Champions" is a major hit...and if Stanford and Cal Berkeley also leave, there's no California school in the conference. Do Colorado and Arizona look to the Big 12? Question #3: This would certainly seem to open up the idea of Gonzaga to the Big East, as a twelfth entry. If it happens, does the conference likewise split East (GU, UConn, PC, St. John's, the Hall and 'Nova) and West (Butler, Creighton, DePaul, 'Zaga, Marquette and Xavier)? 1. Stanford and Cal OR Washington and Oregon -- the Big Ten doesn't need both. 2. Pac 10 can chase the best of the Big 12 (some combo of Kansas, TCU. Baylor, Texas Tech or OK State). It doesn't have to be the target. 3. NO on Gonzaga. When Mark Few leaves, what is left? (Answer: Butler.) I'd sooner take BC back, and that's a saying a lot. But what do all three questions have in common? Fox controls each of them. I think any talk about Gonzaga joining the BE would need to involve Few basically saying he is not quitting for a long long time to guarantee the value and a commitment from Gonzaga to try to keep the program at the highest level after. And we should probably save the smack talk about Butler considering they have made more top 25 appearances in the last 5 years than we have lol but I agree about not wanting to diluting the conference which is why I think we just sit this chaos out for awhile
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 4, 2022 17:53:10 GMT -5
Very crazy stuff but it is nice to just watch the chaos ensue while we just hang out (bball disaster aside) lol
I am not a big college football dude but it could be a good idea imo for Big 12 to take the 4 pack of Colorado, Utah, and the Arizonas to get to 16 and see if they can ride this out which I think they could
Pac 12 is in an awful spot but I mean realistically they have been the weak link for awhile now so law of the jungle so either limp on (which isn't ideal since Big 12 pretty much took the external best replacements I think) or fall apart
If the SEC comes for Clemson and Florida State then they need to kill the conference (or negotiate something mad) because of the crazy grant of rights thing until 2036 but can't really rule out that possibility
Bright side, we have only stand to gain from this as a conference even if Uconn gets delusional again as they owe everyone big money if they try anything again. We are probably best fit just sitting pat for awhile until either the ACC gets dissembled or Gonzaga gets a satellite campus or permanent hybrid classes for the East Coast
And while very unlikely I can see at least someone at Kansas being fed up with everything and seeing the opportunity with Wright leaving to dominate a power conference that can be actually be stable
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 4, 2022 19:41:54 GMT -5
It would be somewhat amusing to see Colorado return to the Big 12. Which schools have left a conference and then returned? I can see Colorado's ad campaign now. Come to Colorado, the Qudus Wahab of the Big 12.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 4, 2022 19:59:05 GMT -5
It would be somewhat amusing to see Colorado return to the Big 12. Which schools have left a conference and then returned? Here's a few: Connecticut (Big East) Davidson (Southern, then eventually left for A10) VMI (Southern) Pacific (West Coast) UC-Santa Barbara (Big West) UAB (Conference USA football) East Tennessee (Southern football)
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 4, 2022 20:51:44 GMT -5
It would be somewhat amusing to see Colorado return to the Big 12. Which schools have left a conference and then returned? Here's a few: Connecticut (Big East) Davidson (Southern, then eventually left for A10) VMI (Southern) Pacific (West Coast) UC-Santa Barbara (Big West) UAB (Conference USA football) East Tennessee (Southern football) Thanks for that interesting list. I'm not sure how I forgot about UConn, but that's not for all sports, is it?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 4, 2022 22:19:38 GMT -5
Thanks for that interesting list. I'm not sure how I forgot about UConn, but that's not for all sports, is it? All sports but football (Independent) and ice hockey (Hockey East)
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Post by hoyas315 on Jul 5, 2022 15:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Jul 5, 2022 16:48:00 GMT -5
Where does this leave Cal Berkeley and Stanford? In a western division of the Ivy League?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 5, 2022 17:05:43 GMT -5
At least the TV networks are having fun with this
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Post by boxout05 on Jul 5, 2022 20:13:55 GMT -5
And while very unlikely I can see at least someone at Kansas being fed up with everything and seeing the opportunity with Wright leaving to dominate a power conference that can be actually be stable Nice thought, but as long as Big XII is respectable and sending checks, there is no need for Kansas to go anywhere. This weeks’ movements seem to raise the floor and lower the ceiling of our expansion targets. If PAC had gobbled up OK State and the Texas schools last year, could see KU ending up in the AAC (bad) or Big East (good), but now the PAC is on the mat the Big XII is sizing up to be a nice consolation prize for anyone who can’t get B1G content. UConn is further from a meaningful home for football than before. Big East doesn’t need to do anything yet other than field a competitive Gtown team.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 5, 2022 23:14:34 GMT -5
Bright side, we have only stand to gain from this as a conference even if Uconn gets delusional again as they owe everyone big money if they try anything again. We are probably best fit just sitting pat for awhile until either the ACC gets dissembled or Gonzaga gets a satellite campus or permanent hybrid classes for the East Coast And while very unlikely I can see at least someone at Kansas being fed up with everything and seeing the opportunity with Wright leaving to dominate a power conference that can be actually be stable Yes, plus part of the reason why UConn rejoined the Big East is that it knew it was never going to get invited to play with the big boys. At this point, even if the ACC loses a few schools, it's still hard to see them going for UConn (plus people always said Boston College did not want them given proximity), and some in the ACC still try to pretend like academics matter, and turn their nose up at UConn, even though they have UNC, which wasn't even making athletes go to class. In my mind, the best play for the Big East is to sit tight, add nobody, and maybe eventually add a high quality basketball program. The one thing that is dumb about realignment is that it is all based on football, and yet the ramifications extend well beyond. It would have been best, if years ago, football were severed from everything else, and the conferences had stayed closer to what they had been years ago. But, that cat is way out of the bag.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 7, 2022 7:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 7, 2022 12:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Jul 7, 2022 12:39:20 GMT -5
The idea of North Carolina in the SEC is really bothering me for some reason. Not that they'd want us, but I hope we don't end up in the ACC one day.
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