Hoyatalk admin

[blueandgray]

Very disappointed in Hoyatalk admin who arbitrarily impose a limit to number of posts and device to enforce it. It’s the equivalent to refs calling a 10 second free throw violation and doing so to the league MVP. They did it a couple of times and realized how foolish they look. The power got to their heads similar to what the Mods must be experiencing now.

How about banning the posters that have made this board almost unreadable because they end every thread hurling insults at one another.

Please ban me. You guys have become soft by arbitrarily censoring people. I thought you guys you to do a good job…you’ve lost my respect.

[iowa80]

Wrong. If you can’t say what you need to say in ten posts per day, it’s not the Admin’s fault.

The rules are the same for everyone.  There’s nothing “arbitrary” about it.

[blueandgray]

The poster in question oftentimes makes several posts involving recruiting, offers and more that happen in real time. There can be many updates a day. If it were jibberlish…like many posters we know….I’d get it. But this is completely arbitrary and we lost one of the only posters that actually contributes to this site.

[trillesthoya]

May 25, 2022 23:47:22 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wrong. If you can’t say what you need to say in ten posts per day, it’s not the Admin’s fault.

The rules are the same for everyone.  There’s nothing “arbitrary” about it.

Good debate and conversations frequently require ten posts or more. There are a range of topics one could want to discuss related to Georgetown basketball. It’s a ridiculous rule that serves no function that targeting the problem posters specifically wouldn’t solve and it’s driving some of the best posters on this site away.

[blueandgray]

For the record. There were days there I posted many more times then 10 a day. No one ever said a word to me. Completely arbitrary.

[blueandgray]

May 25, 2022 23:47:22 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wrong. If you can’t say what you need to say in ten posts per day, it’s not the Admin’s fault.

The rules are the same for everyone.  There’s nothing “arbitrary” about it.

Funny thing is that you posted 8 times yesterday alone and it’s the off-season. Imagine if you start posting in an in-game thread. It’s an arbitrary rule being applied arbitrarily. Period. Full stop.

[jwp91]

May 25, 2022 23:19:59 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

How about banning the posters that have made this board almost unreadable .

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This. This..A 1000X This.

[professorhoya]

May 26, 2022 0:05:46 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

May 25, 2022 23:47:22 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wrong. If you can’t say what you need to say in ten posts per day, it’s not the Admin’s fault.

The rules are the same for everyone.  There’s nothing “arbitrary” about it.

Funny thing is that you posted 8 times yesterday alone and it’s the off-season. Imagine if you start posting in an in-game thread. It’s an arbitrary rule being applied arbitrarily. Period. Full stop.

To be fair, it’s always been stated that in game thread posts don’t count towards the 10 post rule.

[EasyEd]

If you think the basketball board is out of control, take a look at the B&G board where four to six members make 95% of the posts and they are all leftist. And one is a mod.

[prhoya]

To be fair, Admin posted this on May 24th:

“In addition, given the off-season, the 10-post daily limit has been discontinued. Let's show a little collective discretion before this gets out of hand again.”

[DanMcQ]

I have been traveling for family events for a week then overly busy at work.

B&G, the Admin rescinded the 10 post limit (that applied to the Hoyatalk basketball forum only) about a week ago. That was instituted to try to limit those posters repeatedly posting the same thing (regardless of what topic or viewpoint) over and over again. Although there are 3 moderators, DFW and I do most of the work. I basically have 2 full time jobs so I’m sorry, I don’t spend every waking hour here reading every post as it happens. We both do our best to help keep this place readable and civil, but our posters have to help. Like it or not, whenever we limit or ban posters we get accused of playing favorites. Frankly, it gets old having to police adults that act like entitled children who don’t have any respect for their fellow posters. I’m not here to get your respect FYI, I’m here because I love Georgetown basketball. I do this for free and lately I wonder why I even bother.

As for the B&G board (and most others) there have never been post limits there.

[SSHoya]

May 26, 2022 9:16:14 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

I have been traveling for family events for a week then overly busy at work.

B&G, the Admin rescinded the 10 post limit (that applied to the Hoyatalk basketball forum only) about a week ago. That was instituted to try to limit those posters repeatedly posting the same thing (regardless of what topic or viewpoint) over and over again. Although there are 3 moderators, DFW and I do most of the work. I basically have 2 full time jobs so I’m sorry, I don’t spend every waking hour here reading every post as it happens. We both do our best to help keep this place readable and civil, but our posters have to help. Like it or not, whenever we limit or ban posters we get accused of playing favorites. Frankly, it gets old having to police adults that act like entitled children who don’t have any respect for their fellow posters. I’m not here to get your respect FYI, I’m here because I love Georgetown basketball. I do this for free and lately I wonder why I even bother.

As for the B&G board (and most others) there have never been post limits there.

Dan does a great job moderating this board.

And to the extent anyone disagrees with my B & G posts since I've irrationally been accused of being a "leftist" (as a former CIA employee, commissioned Navy officer and retired DOJ attorney with 36 years combined military and federal service such an accusation is laughable) please feel free to post as much as you wish.

If those who think I'm a "leftist" choose to "self-cancel" and decide not to engage in any substantive discussion, that's not my problem - it's theirs.

[BeantownHoya]

I support the MODS as well here. Being a MOD nowadays on a board like this is like being a referee for youth sports...a completely thankless endeavor.

I think it's also important to look at the social climate. Whether it's a smaller board dedicated to a a specific sports team to large entities like Twitter, Facebook, etc - it is impossible to make everyone happy. People are going to feel censored, feel like their not getting a fair shake and no one ever feels like their the problem.

That is not directed at you blueandgray and I do agree with you sentiment that typically the best response is focusing on the bad apples. That being said I wholeheartedly agree with Dan...how about we all act like adults that all have common love for Georgetown Bball (myself included). We are a community of fans, alums, parents w/kids at Gtown, etc - this isn't the wild west of strangers like Twitter where people sh!t on others constantly for attention, recognition and followers. OR at least it shouldn't be.

Personally (with no proof to back this because I don't have any historical reference about posting here) I think this past season has a lot to do with angst here. We had a complete dumpster fire of a season, we have individuals passionate for this program, we have Ewing lovers/haters and everything in between and I think inevitably it was almost impossible for it not to rear it's ugly head on this board. I am sure we faced something similar in JT3's last seasons/days but we hit such a rock bottom last year under Ewing that people are angry, upset and unwilling to backdown from their strong opinions and it has taken a toll on the board.

[TC]

I miss YaBoyNYP and I wish he would come back.

Much like Qudus Wahab, he is a big contributor who would be welcomed back with open arms.

[CTHoya08]

I think the mods do a good job here, by and large, but the ten-post rule has bothered me from the start. The better solution would have been to ban (or suspend, as needed), the two or three posters who repeatedly engage in name-calling and other forms of vitriol. The worst part is that the rule wasn’t self-executing—it seems to have required manual input from the mods. So it didn’t even stop you-know-who from dropping thirteen invective-filled posts into a single thread in the span of a hour. It merely resulted in a suspension after the fact.

[hoyasaxa2003]

To Dan and DFW, thank you for your moderation of the Board and preventing it from being a cesspool (as all unmoderated content becomes). Over the years of being on HoyaTalk (including several years before I even became a member and posted anything), you've done a good job, and I get that you have to do things that are unpopular at times. This thread is particularly ill-timed considering the policy that is the source of the complaints here isn't even in place anymore.

I do think a lot of people have a misconception over what Dan and DFW do. Being a moderator over a message board is a lot of work, nobody pays them, and they make nothing off the deal. With regard to application of the 10 post rule - I assume ProBoards does not have an automatic feature, which required doing it manually. Does anybody think that Dan and DFW are coming on here to watch and count everyone's posts? Of course not.

I am sad to see YaboyNYP go too, but I also thought it was a bit of an overreaction, both here and on Twitter, where he claimed to be canceled and various hyperbole about speaking "truth to power", etc.. Nobody was trying to silence him, his account wasn't suspended, and I assume he probably deleted his account before the moderators could even respond to him (which is one of the reasons he said he was leaving). Again, Dan/DFW aren't sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next HoyaTalk controversy to ensue. I hope he comes back because I think his reason for leaving was probably more emotional than real for someone who obviously cares about Georgetown, and cares so much, that he had, by far, the most posts on HoyaTalk.

As a general rule, I think it would be beneficial for everyone on HoyaTalk (and beyond), to chill out sometimes. And I realize I get into things sometimes too much too, and try to prevent from happening.

[HometownHoya]

YaboyNYP will be missed. Hopefully he decides to come back at some point.

As far as the mod team goes, I've always been appreciative of the effort they give and the time they volunteer. That said, might it help to expand the mod team past the original 3 members? Especially if 1 isn't as active and the others are exceedingly busy in real life.

[CTHoya08]

May 26, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

To Dan and DFW, thank you for your moderation of the Board and preventing it from being a cesspool (as all unmoderated content becomes). Over the years of being on HoyaTalk (including several years before I even became a member and posted anything), you've done a good job, and I get that you have to do things that are unpopular at times. This thread is particularly ill-timed considering the policy that is the source of the complaints here isn't even in place anymore.

I do think a lot of people have a misconception over what Dan and DFW do. Being a moderator over a message board is a lot of work, nobody pays them, and they make nothing off the deal. With regard to application of the 10 post rule - I assume ProBoards does not have an automatic feature, which required doing it manually. Does anybody think that Dan and DFW are coming on here to watch and count everyone's posts? Of course not.

I am sad to see YaboyNYP go too, but I also thought it was a bit of an overreaction, both here and on Twitter, where he claimed to be canceled and various hyperbole about speaking "truth to power", etc.. Nobody was trying to silence him, his account wasn't suspended, and I assume he probably deleted his account before the moderators could even respond to him (which is one of the reasons he said he was leaving). Again, Dan/DFW aren't sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next HoyaTalk controversy to ensue. I hope he comes back because I think his reason for leaving was probably more emotional than real for someone who obviously cares about Georgetown, and cares so much, that he had, by far, the most posts on HoyaTalk.

As a general rule, I think it would be beneficial for everyone on HoyaTalk (and beyond), to chill out sometimes. And I realize I get into things sometimes too much too, and try to prevent from happening.

This is part of why I never liked the rule. If there were a board function they could use to implement it automatically, great. But manual implementation means that they have to spend even more time watching the board than they can or want to, and that people are going to get away with violating it in some cases. I echo the overall sentiments of your post, though.

[bluegray79]

As we have all seen, attempts by FB and Twitter (among others) to monitor and moderate social media discourse reveal a minefield of challenges. I don't envy anyone who has volunteered to take on the excessive and negative (borderline abusive, harassing) posting. Where to draw the line and how to make those difficult judgments always run up against exceptions to the rule that try even the most fair-minded moderator.

One suggestion I have made in numerous threads is this: when a post is clearly off topic and becomes part of an exchange that is snarky & mean-spirited, the poster(s) should be directed to take it elsewhere. "Elsewhere" for me can certainly be the creation of a separate thread dedicated to those who want to snipe at each other. There they can do their thing and the rest of us can be spared repeated posts that are just deflating and annoying to have to wade through.

I don't want to restrict free speech, but I do want to encourage civil conversations and the need for every poster to self-monitor and be responsible. You all know the adage "With great power comes great responsibility". (Uncle Ben? Spiderman? Anyone? Buehler?) We shouldn't need a moderator or a set of policies, but since we have shown that we do, exercise your right to free speech but always with the idea that you have to take responsibility for what you put up. If you can't control yourself and act like a big boy/girl, take a break and go somewhere else where that kind of snark is appropriate (is it ever appropriate? really?), and then come back and share your thoughts about Georgetown basketball, the thing we all love and come here for.

Civic lesson concluded. Go Hoyas!

[guru]

May 26, 2022 12:24:47 GMT -5 bluegray79 said:

As we have all seen, attempts by FB and Twitter (among others) to monitor and moderate social media discourse reveal a minefield of challenges. I don't envy anyone who has volunteered to take on the excessive and negative (borderline abusive, harassing) posting. Where to draw the line and how to make those difficult judgments always run up against exceptions to the rule that try even the most fair-minded moderator.

One suggestion I have made in numerous threads is this: when a post is clearly off topic and becomes part of an exchange that is snarky & mean-spirited, the poster(s) should be directed to take it elsewhere. "Elsewhere" for me can certainly be the creation of a separate thread dedicated to those who want to snipe at each other. There they can do their thing and the rest of us can be spared repeated posts that are just deflating and annoying to have to wade through.

I don't want to restrict free speech, but I do want to encourage civil conversations and the need for every poster to self-monitor and be responsible. You all know the adage "With great power comes great responsibility". (Uncle Ben? Spiderman? Anyone? Buehler?) We shouldn't need a moderator or a set of policies, but since we have shown that we do, exercise your right to free speech but always with the idea that you have to take responsibility for what you put up. If you can't control yourself and act like a big boy/girl, take a break and go somewhere else where that kind of snark is appropriate (is it ever appropriate? really?), and then come back and share your thoughts about Georgetown basketball, the thing we all love and come here for.

Civic lesson concluded. Go Hoyas!

No one banned YaBoy - he left on his own accord, and he's welcome to come back.

I'd be in favor of banning of few of our most repetitive posters, however. For good.