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Post by southernhoyafan on Jul 31, 2022 11:59:01 GMT -5
I’ve watched two years of Harris in real games. It’s very clear he’s not good enough. Harris had a solid freshman year under any standard as a PG in the BE. Last year’s team was a mess. He is part to blame…but just part. There is no way he is 3rd in minutes in running the point…nor should he be. This is really interesting... Dante, who was a BE tournament MVP and who in his 2 years on the Hilltop has been way more productive than Big Tim, Wilson, Clark, Holloway, Beard and Billingsley combined is getting slammed here. However, the kids that transferred out who are obviously less talented and less productive than Dante or so-called "ran out" have caused folks here to be Editeded because they left. It just speaks to the real issue here. Anything or anyone that seems to be joined at the hip of Ewing is not good enough or is just wrong. This makes absolutely no damn sense here. However, I forget where I am posting...
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jul 31, 2022 12:04:41 GMT -5
I have a very good feeling about this upcoming season!
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Post by bills on Jul 31, 2022 13:55:21 GMT -5
Harris had a solid freshman year under any standard as a PG in the BE. Last year’s team was a mess. He is part to blame…but just part. There is no way he is 3rd in minutes in running the point…nor should he be. This is really interesting... Dante, who was a BE tournament MVP and who in his 2 years on the Hilltop has been way more productive than Big Tim, Wilson, Clark, Holloway, Beard and Billingsley combined is getting slammed here. However, the kids that transferred out who are obviously less talented and less productive than Dante or so-called "ran out" have caused folks here to be Editeded because they left. It just speaks to the real issue here. Anything or anyone that seems to be joined at the hip of Ewing is not good enough or is just wrong. This makes absolutely no damn sense here. However, I forget where I am posting... Agree. IMHO many posters do not have opinions. What they post are facts and there is no argument with anything they say. Some of those posters at fully committed to Ewing and like Dante, but in terms of number of posts, those who know that Dante is third string on any D1 team and that Ewing has done nothing of value in five years are dominating this board.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 31, 2022 15:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 31, 2022 16:00:29 GMT -5
No idea - what other options did Harris have besides Georgetown? I agree with you that Harris is not up to the task. I’m just skeptical that a guy who is barely out of high school and his best option was Duquesne is going to be much better. Maybe this is an odd situation where he was a high level guy who chose a smaller school and now he’s at the right level but I think that’s very unlikely. Further follow-up re: offers coming out of high school: "Harris chose Georgetown over offers from Georgia State, East Tennessee State, and South Alabama, among others." 247sports.com/college/georgetown/Article/Dante-Harris-20-Commits-to-Georgetown-137728516/"Heath, 6-foot-3, 175 pounds, had other offers from George Mason, Georgetown, James Madison, Kansas State, Louisiana Tech, Rhode Island and VCU before ultimately deciding on Boston College." www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-insider/wp/2018/06/27/wilson-rising-senior-guard-jay-heath-makes-oral-commitment-to-boston-college/"Denver Anglin...committed to Patrick Ewing over offers from Northwestern, Providence, Stanford, Miami, Penn State and others." 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Denver-Anglin-commitment-Georgetown-basketball-168382033/
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 31, 2022 16:07:32 GMT -5
Ezewiro has already retweeted this - within minutes of the game being over.
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Jul 31, 2022 16:24:52 GMT -5
Ezewiro has already retweeted this - within minutes of the game being over. Watched his first half and he was pretty good. Leblanc like quick jumping ability. I'd play him at the 5 because he is at his best on the elbow pick and roll and from the dunker spot. He gets stripped when hes trying to do more than one or two dribbles. Can play 4 in a pinch I th ink. Good insurance if Akok cant stay on the floor.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 31, 2022 16:56:36 GMT -5
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jul 31, 2022 17:00:53 GMT -5
Harris had a solid freshman year under any standard as a PG in the BE. Last year’s team was a mess. He is part to blame…but just part. There is no way he is 3rd in minutes in running the point…nor should he be. This is really interesting... Dante, who was a BE tournament MVP and who in his 2 years on the Hilltop has been way more productive than Big Tim, Wilson, Clark, Holloway, Beard and Billingsley combined is getting slammed here. However, the kids that transferred out who are obviously less talented and less productive than Dante or so-called "ran out" have caused folks here to be Editeded because they left. It just speaks to the real issue here. Anything or anyone that seems to be joined at the hip of Ewing is not good enough or is just wrong. This makes absolutely no damn sense here. However, I forget where I am posting... I am one who believes Dante must show significant improvement to start at the most important position on a team that wants to challenge for a bid. I’m also one who believes Ewing should have been let go. I know it’s convenient for you to argue the two are tied together but for me I can tell one has nothing to do with the other.
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Post by hoya137 on Aug 1, 2022 1:09:16 GMT -5
My take on things after watching a good chunk of Kenner League games.
Overall, I'm surprised and impressed with the recruiting class the staff has put together after such a disastrous season. I'm expecting a much more competitive season based on the talent assembled.
We have 3 definite starters who could be above average BE players (** last year only Carey would have been on this list): 1) Heath (PG/SG) - great feel, scorer, can create his shot. Seems to play sound D, and above all appears to have leadership qualities. I look forward to watching him. Agree with a few posters that he may be better suited at SG than PG. 2) Murray (SG/SF) - scorer, good size/athleticism, can create his shot. Seems to have a good feel too. Don't remember his D standing out, though he did have a few memorable blocked shots (pins). He should also be fun to watch. 3) Q (PF) - I was extremely disappointed when Q transferred because I felt like he was gradually becoming an offensive/defensive force under Ewing. Looks to me like he gained some fluidity at UMD, though I still haven't seen any signs of him being able to pass out of double teams & find open shooters. Hopefully he can take that next step under Ewing.
After those 3, there's the PG battle (Spears vs. Harris) The battle for PG minutes should be interesting -- I'm still on the fence here, and I'm guessing the coaching staff is too. - Spears: I've enjoyed watching him over the past month in a KL setting -- his handle is good, he's quick, and he showed an ability to create / make some tough shots / highlights. But if we want to be an above average BE team, we'll need someone who can run O, find guys in the right spots, etc. So, overall, his KL play has been a positive, but it's hard for me to gauge how well it translates to winning BE games. One really positive thing that is evident in KL play is his connection with B. Murray. - Harris - Full disclaimer, I didn't see him play at all in KL (I missed the few games he played). I know there are a lot of Dante haters on this board, but I'm not one of them. I thought he exceeded expectations as a freshmen, and was subpar last year. But I also thought he had waaaay too much load to carry last year. He was trying to lead a team that had almost no talent, and was also playing through injuries. I think he's right there battling Primo and likely they both get similar minutes.
Some wildcards: - Byron Mozone - this guy is a scorer. He will definitely get minutes. Seems to have a good feel that comes from 4 years experience. Didn't get a chance to evaluate his D. - D'ante Bass - high ceiling. Fluid athlete, explosive, and looks like he could end up being a really good defender. He was checking Pickett today and blocked his shot a few times. With the right coaching, I think he could end up being a really good player on both side of the ball. He will get minutes this year. - D. Anglin - what I liked most about him was his leadership. Clearly has a good stroke when he's set. In the games before his injury, seemed more like a SG than a PG. He may get minutes based on his ability to shoot & his leadership. - Akok - Unfortunately didn't see him play at all (I think he only played in 1 game in KL)? So, no good input here. - B. Ezewiro - He scored a lot of points but most of them were dunks/chip shots because he overpowered smaller guys guarding him. He's thick/strong. The way he scored most of his points won't translate to points in the BE. Needs some coaching to refine his moves and improve his feel for the game (on O & D).
Other observations: - Mutombo had a quiet KL overall. Some of that you can chalk up to the KL format. His team was bad, and he didn't get a lot of looks in the post. I'm guessing he will spell Q because he's more offensively polished than B. Ezewiro. - W. Bristol - Pretty quiet KL overall. Saw him play a few times. Didn't really stand out, and didn't really shoot very well. I was expecting more from him, but he could have just been off in the games I caught. - J. Riley - Certainly a good athlete, and I know several on the board have mentioned 'rust' which I'm assuming is the result of an injury/rehab. Objectively, his shot just isn't there, and at this point his position is the one position where we have the most strength. - M. Wilson - Seems to have gotten a little thicker. Only saw him play a few times -- no significant changes to his game. But he also never got fed in the post so hard to measure any offsensive improvement.
All that said...I see things shaping up like this: Spears/Harris (Heath, Anglin) Heath (Mozone, Anglin, Riley) Murray (Bass, Mozone, Bristol) ?? (Akok, Q, Bass, Ezewiro) Q (Mutombo, Wilson, Ezewiro)
So here's what we know: - Our strength/depth is at the 2/3. - One starter spot in the front court is fully up for grabs - The development of Bass / Akok (or Ezewiro*) could give us a pretty formidable lineup (*I think he has a ways to go) - It's unclear on whether coaches would attempt to play both Q & Mutombo/Wilson at the same time
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Aug 1, 2022 8:12:51 GMT -5
My take on things after watching a good chunk of Kenner League games. Overall, I'm surprised and impressed with the recruiting class the staff has put together after such a disastrous season. I'm expecting a much more competitive season based on the talent assembled. We have 3 definite starters who could be above average BE players (** last year only Carey would have been on this list): 1) Heath (PG/SG) - great feel, scorer, can create his shot. Seems to play sound D, and above all appears to have leadership qualities. I look forward to watching him. Agree with a few posters that he may be better suited at SG than PG. 2) Murray (SG/SF) - scorer, good size/athleticism, can create his shot. Seems to have a good feel too. Don't remember his D standing out, though he did have a few memorable blocked shots (pins). He should also be fun to watch. 3) Q (PF) - I was extremely disappointed when Q transferred because I felt like he was gradually becoming an offensive/defensive force under Ewing. Looks to me like he gained some fluidity at UMD, though I still haven't seen any signs of him being able to pass out of double teams & find open shooters. Hopefully he can take that next step under Ewing. After those 3, there's the PG battle (Spears vs. Harris) The battle for PG minutes should be interesting -- I'm still on the fence here, and I'm guessing the coaching staff is too. - Spears: I've enjoyed watching him over the past month in a KL setting -- his handle is good, he's quick, and he showed an ability to create / make some tough shots / highlights. But if we want to be an above average BE team, we'll need someone who can run O, find guys in the right spots, etc. So, overall, his KL play has been a positive, but it's hard for me to gauge how well it translates to winning BE games. One really positive thing that is evident in KL play is his connection with B. Murray. - Harris - Full disclaimer, I didn't see him play at all in KL (I missed the few games he played). I know there are a lot of Dante haters on this board, but I'm not one of them. I thought he exceeded expectations as a freshmen, and was subpar last year. But I also thought he had waaaay too much load to carry last year. He was trying to lead a team that had almost no talent, and was also playing through injuries. I think he's right there battling Primo and likely they both get similar minutes. Some wildcards: - Byron Mozone - this guy is a scorer. He will definitely get minutes. Seems to have a good feel that comes from 4 years experience. Didn't get a chance to evaluate his D. - D'ante Bass - high ceiling. Fluid athlete, explosive, and looks like he could end up being a really good defender. He was checking Pickett today and blocked his shot a few times. With the right coaching, I think he could end up being a really good player on both side of the ball. He will get minutes this year. - D. Anglin - what I liked most about him was his leadership. Clearly has a good stroke when he's set. In the games before his injury, seemed more like a SG than a PG. He may get minutes based on his ability to shoot & his leadership. - Akok - Unfortunately didn't see him play at all (I think he only played in 1 game in KL)? So, no good input here. - B. Ezewiro - He scored a lot of points but most of them were dunks/chip shots because he overpowered smaller guys guarding him. He's thick/strong. The way he scored most of his points won't translate to points in the BE. Needs some coaching to refine his moves and improve his feel for the game (on O & D). Other observations: - Mutombo had a quiet KL overall. Some of that you can chalk up to the KL format. His team was bad, and he didn't get a lot of looks in the post. I'm guessing he will spell Q because he's more offensively polished than B. Ezewiro. - W. Bristol - Pretty quiet KL overall. Saw him play a few times. Didn't really stand out, and didn't really shoot very well. I was expecting more from him, but he could have just been off in the games I caught. - J. Riley - Certainly a good athlete, and I know several on the board have mentioned 'rust' which I'm assuming is the result of an injury/rehab. Objectively, his shot just isn't there, and at this point his position is the one position where we have the most strength. - M. Wilson - Seems to have gotten a little thicker. Only saw him play a few times -- no significant changes to his game. But he also never got fed in the post so hard to measure any offsensive improvement. All that said...I see things shaping up like this: Spears/Harris (Heath, Anglin) Heath (Mozone, Anglin, Riley) Murray (Bass, Mozone, Bristol) ?? (Akok, Q, Bass, Ezewiro) Q (Mutombo, Wilson, Ezewiro) So here's what we know: - Our strength/depth is at the 2/3. - One starter spot in the front court is fully up for grabs - The development of Bass / Akok (or Ezewiro*) could give us a pretty formidable lineup (*I think he has a ways to go) - It's unclear on whether coaches would attempt to play both Q & Mutombo/Wilson at the same time It's clear. Also I think Monzone is more a 3/4, especially on D.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 1, 2022 11:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 1, 2022 11:50:09 GMT -5
Apparently Mozone had another 30 ball and was efficient with it. Going to be a really nice problem to have when 5 or 6 kids on the team can put up 15 on any given night (Murray, Heath, Q, Mozone, Spears)
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 1, 2022 13:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Aug 1, 2022 14:53:11 GMT -5
Judging from the Casual write ups, Kenner has shown both why Ezewiro is such an enticing prospect, and why he barely found the floor as a frosh at LSU. Hoping that Ezewiro's tweet from a few days back indicates he is committed to being coachable and putting in consistent effort and concentration. If so, could be a beast.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 1, 2022 16:44:14 GMT -5
My take on things after watching a good chunk of Kenner League games. Overall, I'm surprised and impressed with the recruiting class the staff has put together after such a disastrous season. I'm expecting a much more competitive season based on the talent assembled. We have 3 definite starters who could be above average BE players (** last year only Carey would have been on this list): 1) Heath (PG/SG) - great feel, scorer, can create his shot. Seems to play sound D, and above all appears to have leadership qualities. I look forward to watching him. Agree with a few posters that he may be better suited at SG than PG. 2) Murray (SG/SF) - scorer, good size/athleticism, can create his shot. Seems to have a good feel too. Don't remember his D standing out, though he did have a few memorable blocked shots (pins). He should also be fun to watch. 3) Q (PF) - I was extremely disappointed when Q transferred because I felt like he was gradually becoming an offensive/defensive force under Ewing. Looks to me like he gained some fluidity at UMD, though I still haven't seen any signs of him being able to pass out of double teams & find open shooters. Hopefully he can take that next step under Ewing. After those 3, there's the PG battle (Spears vs. Harris) The battle for PG minutes should be interesting -- I'm still on the fence here, and I'm guessing the coaching staff is too. - Spears: I've enjoyed watching him over the past month in a KL setting -- his handle is good, he's quick, and he showed an ability to create / make some tough shots / highlights. But if we want to be an above average BE team, we'll need someone who can run O, find guys in the right spots, etc. So, overall, his KL play has been a positive, but it's hard for me to gauge how well it translates to winning BE games. One really positive thing that is evident in KL play is his connection with B. Murray. - Harris - Full disclaimer, I didn't see him play at all in KL (I missed the few games he played). I know there are a lot of Dante haters on this board, but I'm not one of them. I thought he exceeded expectations as a freshmen, and was subpar last year. But I also thought he had waaaay too much load to carry last year. He was trying to lead a team that had almost no talent, and was also playing through injuries. I think he's right there battling Primo and likely they both get similar minutes. Some wildcards: - Byron Mozone - this guy is a scorer. He will definitely get minutes. Seems to have a good feel that comes from 4 years experience. Didn't get a chance to evaluate his D. - D'ante Bass - high ceiling. Fluid athlete, explosive, and looks like he could end up being a really good defender. He was checking Pickett today and blocked his shot a few times. With the right coaching, I think he could end up being a really good player on both side of the ball. He will get minutes this year. - D. Anglin - what I liked most about him was his leadership. Clearly has a good stroke when he's set. In the games before his injury, seemed more like a SG than a PG. He may get minutes based on his ability to shoot & his leadership. - Akok - Unfortunately didn't see him play at all (I think he only played in 1 game in KL)? So, no good input here. - B. Ezewiro - He scored a lot of points but most of them were dunks/chip shots because he overpowered smaller guys guarding him. He's thick/strong. The way he scored most of his points won't translate to points in the BE. Needs some coaching to refine his moves and improve his feel for the game (on O & D). Other observations: - Mutombo had a quiet KL overall. Some of that you can chalk up to the KL format. His team was bad, and he didn't get a lot of looks in the post. I'm guessing he will spell Q because he's more offensively polished than B. Ezewiro. - W. Bristol - Pretty quiet KL overall. Saw him play a few times. Didn't really stand out, and didn't really shoot very well. I was expecting more from him, but he could have just been off in the games I caught. - J. Riley - Certainly a good athlete, and I know several on the board have mentioned 'rust' which I'm assuming is the result of an injury/rehab. Objectively, his shot just isn't there, and at this point his position is the one position where we have the most strength. - M. Wilson - Seems to have gotten a little thicker. Only saw him play a few times -- no significant changes to his game. But he also never got fed in the post so hard to measure any offsensive improvement. All that said...I see things shaping up like this: Spears/Harris (Heath, Anglin) Heath (Mozone, Anglin, Riley) Murray (Bass, Mozone, Bristol) ?? (Akok, Q, Bass, Ezewiro) Q (Mutombo, Wilson, Ezewiro) So here's what we know: - Our strength/depth is at the 2/3. - One starter spot in the front court is fully up for grabs - The development of Bass / Akok (or Ezewiro*) could give us a pretty formidable lineup (*I think he has a ways to go) - It's unclear on whether coaches would attempt to play both Q & Mutombo/Wilson at the same time
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 1, 2022 17:33:03 GMT -5
Judging from the Casual write ups, Kenner has shown both why Ezewiro is such an enticing prospect, and why he barely found the floor as a frosh at LSU. Hoping that Ezewiro's tweet from a few days back indicates he is committed to being coachable and putting in consistent effort and concentration. If so, could be a beast. He barely saw the floor because he was behind 2 NBA guys in Days/Eason and a 5* in Reid. Not really indicative of his ability to ball.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 1, 2022 22:01:59 GMT -5
Observations from watching one weekend of Kenner:
Heath/Q/Mutombo/Bristol/Riley/Anglin & Akok(hurt): did not watch
Murray: Seems more 6-3 than 6-5 but if Primo really is 6-3 then I suppose Murray would be 6-5. Reminds me of a an inshape version of Austin Freeman offensively with a Chris Webber vibe. Defensively seems strong and can block some shots. Took a nasty fall on a dunk attempt/foul but seems like he is okay.
Primo Spears: Good handles although dribbles seems a bit high most of the time. Lightning quick and can dribble penetrate at will. Nice pull up jumper and can finish and dunk. Great length and speed. I would try to play him as much as possible on the same unit as Murray because they have a mental telepathy connection going on.
On the negative, their team was leading comfortably by 10 most of the game but in the last two minutes, Primo had 3 bad sequences. 1) On inbounds at halfcourt, received ball and back foot stepped over line for backcourt violation. 2) On inbounds, was defended tightly/pressed by one defender and dribbled and turned ball over 3) On inbounds was pressed by 2 defenders, tried to dribble between them into 3rd defender and fumbled ball for a turnover. Ending up losing the game. It's Kenner, and a combination of being lackadaisical and other teammates not helping out against the press I'm sure contributed but something to note in terms of decision making.
Dante Bass: He will gain more strength/muscle but is already wiry strong. Athleticism reminds me a little of Dominque Wilkins. Passing is actually pretty advanced for a high schooler and for his position. Defense is really good. Don Carey was having trouble with his defense. Bass could be the top man on the press. Still alot of work to do offensively but I think you can put him out there and give him minutes (if needed) based off his defense and offensively (his ability to finish and rebound). Projects as a 4 or a 3 at this level.
Don Carey Same player, different uniform. Not vocal, lacks speed and athleticism and not explosive. Crumbles in crunch time from 3, even at Kenner. He was getting taking to school on both ends by the community college kid from Paris (?) and pretty much everyone else. Had a failed dunk attempt and also a nice runway dunk from the baseline which one wouldn't expect. Decent player but should really be the 5th or 6th option on a good team.
Bradley Ezewiro: Big boy with a good touch and some skills. There will always be a use for this type of player in Big East play when faced with a JRE or some other space eater. Can hold position, rebound (great at tip rebounds), and block shots. Decent touch from outside, and can initiate and handle the ball on the break a la Charles Barkley. His skillset means he can play the 4 if we want to go big with Q/Mutombo at the 5. Likes to score so we won't lose a scoring option if he comes in like we did last year with Big Tim/Malcolm.
Malcolm Wilson: Seems the same. Doesn't really look stronger or bigger. Nice guy. Can't really shine in Kenner because never gets passed the ball. I don't see a Simms like jump.
Bryson Mozone: He was playing point/brining the ball up at Kenner, even with much smaller players on his team. Took me a while to figure out that was Mozone cause he looked like a point guard. Has really good handles for a 2/3, not the handles of a 1 but combo guard level handles. Strong, can score, aggressive. Oozes leadership qualities. I don't see him as a 4. He's a 2/3 and could even play point in emergency situations. I like the size that he has if we play him and Murray at the 2/3. Gives us alot of size and length. This would basically mean Heath or Spears off the bench but I'd be okay with that if that gives us superior size 1-5.
Dante Harris Injured but was at scorers table helping out with score/timekeeping for all the games. Team player and positive attitude.
Based on what I saw (without seeing Heath): 1. Spears (6-3), Harris (6-0)/Heath (6-3), Anglin (6-2), Mozone 2. Mozone (6-6), Murray, Heath, Bristol (6-6), Riley (6-4)Angelin 3. Murray (6-5), Mozone, Bristol, Riley 4. Ezewiro (6-8 245), Akok (6-9), Murray/Mozone (small ball 4), Bass 5. Q (6-11), Mutombo (7-2), Ezewrio, Wilson (7-0)
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Post by hoya137 on Aug 1, 2022 22:42:52 GMT -5
Good to hear other perspectives. Agree with your observations on Mozone -- he definitely impressed yesterday. You didn't see Heath -- I'd be shocked if he's not a starter. I'm not as bullish as you/others on Ezewiro's ability to contribute right away, but of course I hope he proves me wrong. Based on your depth chart, not sure if you're indicating Bass won't get many/any? minutes. I think Bass will earn time and provide value.
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