SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 4, 2022 7:45:29 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on May 8, 2022 5:48:07 GMT -5
A great example of rising above circumstance and serving those who wronged you…
Which autocratic Republican President interned this poor man’s family?
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on May 8, 2022 9:11:54 GMT -5
A great example of rising above circumstance and serving those who wronged you… Which autocratic Republican President interned this poor man’s family? As if party affiliations in 1942 = party policies today. Pro-internment: FDR. Anti-Internment: Eleanor Roosevelt Pro-Internment: GOP CA Governor Earl Warren Anti-Internment: GOP CO Governor Ralph Carr Carr, a conservative opponent of the New Deal, had the integrity to state that internment of US citizens due to ethnicity was wrong. So, if it were 1942, would you be, like Carr, the SOLE GOP opponent of Executive Order 9066, allied with Eleanor Roosevelt? If it is 2022, are you the sole GOP opponent of GOP demagoguery about open borders? |
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on May 8, 2022 10:23:00 GMT -5
A great example of rising above circumstance and serving those who wronged you… Which autocratic Republican President interned this poor man’s family? As if party affiliations in 1942 = party policies today. Pro-internment: FDR. Anti-Internment: Eleanor Roosevelt Pro-Internment: GOP CA Governor Earl Warren Anti-Internment: GOP CO Governor Ralph Carr Carr, a conservative opponent of the New Deal, had the integrity to state that internment of US citizens due to ethnicity was wrong. So, if it were 1942, would you be, like Carr, the SOLE GOP opponent of Executive Order 9066, allied with Eleanor Roosevelt? If it is 2022, are you the sole GOP opponent of GOP demagoguery about open borders? So it was a Democrat…shocking As for open borders demagoguery, I am curious as to what you mean. If it means that our borders should be enforced and people who wish to reside here need to respect our laws on the way in—I am guilty. |
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on May 8, 2022 13:18:15 GMT -5
If. by " respect our laws" you mean ask for amnesty expecting that we will honor out legal obligation to give that request speedy and unbiased adjudication, we're on the path to possibly finding an area of agreement.
The demagoguery comes in when the GOP claims that the Democrats have an open border policy. That would certainly strike the current deportees as a falsehood. So it would also help to renounce that rhetorical sleight of hand.
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Post by Elvado on May 8, 2022 14:12:34 GMT -5
If. by " respect our laws" you mean ask for amnesty expecting that we will honor out legal obligation to give that request speedy and unbiased adjudication, we're on the path to possibly finding an area of agreement. The demagoguery comes in when the GOP claims that the Democrats have an open border policy. That would certainly strike the current deportees as a falsehood. So it would also help to renounce that rhetorical sleight of hand. No argument. What is your position on those who simply want to jump the line with no colorable claim of or application for asylum? |
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 8, 2022 17:11:09 GMT -5
As if party affiliations in 1942 = party policies today. Pro-internment: FDR. Anti-Internment: Eleanor Roosevelt Pro-Internment: GOP CA Governor Earl Warren Anti-Internment: GOP CO Governor Ralph Carr Carr, a conservative opponent of the New Deal, had the integrity to state that internment of US citizens due to ethnicity was wrong. So, if it were 1942, would you be, like Carr, the SOLE GOP opponent of Executive Order 9066, allied with Eleanor Roosevelt? If it is 2022, are you the sole GOP opponent of GOP demagoguery about open borders? So it was a Democrat…shocking As for open borders demagoguery, I am curious as to what you mean. If it means that our borders should be enforced and people who wish to reside here need to respect our laws on the way in—I am guilty. Apparently, Mr. Mineta figured out in the sixties what some in the former GOP have yet to figure out while having suffered far more than most. history.house.gov/People/Detail/18323From the link: Early in his life, Mineta had been a staunch Republican. After all, he later said, “It was the damn Democrats that stuck us in those damn camps.”10 But in the 1960s, Mineta grew frustrated with the GOP’s approach to the great social issues of the day and left the party.11 From 1962 to 1964, Mineta served on San Jose’s human relations commission, and from 1966 to 1967, he sat on the board of directors of the city’s housing authority. That year he jumped to the city council, where he served double duty as vice mayor from 1968 to 1971. Imagine how drastically your "party" has to change that one jumps ship to the other party that imprisoned him for no reason other than his ethnicity. The "Republicans" have continued their downward spiral. This is just another example of that objective fact. |
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 8, 2022 17:39:32 GMT -5
So it was a Democrat…shocking As for open borders demagoguery, I am curious as to what you mean. If it means that our borders should be enforced and people who wish to reside here need to respect our laws on the way in—I am guilty. Apparently, Mr. Mineta figured out in the sixties what some in the former GOP have yet to figure out while having suffered far more than most. history.house.gov/People/Detail/18323From the link: Early in his life, Mineta had been a staunch Republican. After all, he later said, “It was the damn Democrats that stuck us in those damn camps.”10 But in the 1960s, Mineta grew frustrated with the GOP’s approach to the great social issues of the day and left the party.11 From 1962 to 1964, Mineta served on San Jose’s human relations commission, and from 1966 to 1967, he sat on the board of directors of the city’s housing authority. That year he jumped to the city council, where he served double duty as vice mayor from 1968 to 1971. Imagine how drastically your "party" has to change that one jumps ship to the other party that imprisoned him for no reason other than his ethnicity. The "Republicans" have continued their downward spiral. This is just another example of that objective fact. And Democrat Harry Truman supported a compensation act which while it did not fully compensate the wrongfully imprisoned for their losses was a step in the right direction to right this gross violation of civil rights. In a message to Congress in February 1948, President Truman reminded the country that more than 100,000 Japanese Americans had been removed from their homes “solely because of their racial origin.”151 Five months later, on July 2, 1948, Truman signed the Japanese-American Evacuation Claims Act into law, but it had limited impact. The legislation covered only “real or personal property” damaged or lost during the evacuation or during internment. Left unaddressed were the unknown costs associated with the stigma of incarceration, the psychological damage, lost earnings, injury or death, and resettlement. The Justice Department struggled to process the 26,000 claims totaling $148 million. In the end, the government awarded just $37 million. In order to keep up with the claims, Congress amended and extended the act, settling the last claim in 1965. history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/APA/Historical-Essays/Exclusion-to-Inclusion/Redress/Contrariwise, the sainted (well, not in the MAGA GOP as the downward spiral of the party/cult continues) Republican Ronald Reagan opposed for nearly five years redress legislation including an apology until the political pressure became too much to bear and he relented and signed the legislation. the Civil Liberties Act of 1988. (I worked down the hall from the DOJ Civil Division officials who were lead in formulating the policy opposing further compensation for the Japanese internees even though they full recognized that the 1948 compensation was inadequate). For nearly five years, Reagan opposed redress legislation, reversing his position only after the political pressure reached a fever pitch during the waning days of his second term and at the height of the Bush-Dukakis presidential campaign. www.jstor.org/stable/27551904 |
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Post by tashoya on May 8, 2022 19:56:00 GMT -5
As if party affiliations in 1942 = party policies today. Pro-internment: FDR. Anti-Internment: Eleanor Roosevelt Pro-Internment: GOP CA Governor Earl Warren Anti-Internment: GOP CO Governor Ralph Carr Carr, a conservative opponent of the New Deal, had the integrity to state that internment of US citizens due to ethnicity was wrong. So, if it were 1942, would you be, like Carr, the SOLE GOP opponent of Executive Order 9066, allied with Eleanor Roosevelt? If it is 2022, are you the sole GOP opponent of GOP demagoguery about open borders? So it was a Democrat…shocking As for open borders demagoguery, I am curious as to what you mean. If it means that our borders should be enforced and people who wish to reside here need to respect our laws on the way in—I am guilty. Which party actively supports autocracy today? I realize it's a trick question because the answer isn't a party, it's a cult. |
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on May 8, 2022 21:58:26 GMT -5
If. by " respect our laws" you mean ask for amnesty expecting that we will honor out legal obligation to give that request speedy and unbiased adjudication, we're on the path to possibly finding an area of agreement. The demagoguery comes in when the GOP claims that the Democrats have an open border policy. That would certainly strike the current deportees as a falsehood. So it would also help to renounce that rhetorical sleight of hand. No argument. What is your position on those who simply want to jump the line with no colorable claim of or application for asylum? That when the Democrats have a strong enough majority to overcome GOP obstructionism, we can revise immigration policy to realistically address the need for immigrant labor, given the declining American birthrate Preferably with input from whoever in the GOP isn't afraid of Mexicans, CentroAmericans and Africans. But, if necessary, without them. Then , they, too would be legal, and "free trade". would include freedom for labor, not just for capital. |
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