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Post by SDHoya on May 10, 2022 11:32:57 GMT -5
So, assuming we don't get another transfer, and assuming Heath gets a waiver, this seems to be what we are looking at:
PG: Dante/Primo--not sure who starts, but assume both play a lot. Denver here for spot minutes. SG: Heath/Riley--Heath likely getting 25-30 min a game, Riley getting sizeable bench/energy minutes. Denver may also get some minutes here. W: Murray/Bristol--Similar to with the SG, Murray getting 25-30, Bristol seeing sizeable bench minutes. PF: Akok/Bass--Akok seeing all he can handle here, with Bass hopefully ready to contribute at least for energy and defense. Assume Bristol and perhaps even Murray slide over to PF when we go small. C: Mutombo/Malcolm--If Ryan shows similar improvement as Q did from frosh to soph, he'll see a lot of time at the C. Malcolm probably spot minutes. Also expect Akok to slide over to small ball 5 quite a bit.
As others have noted, at least on paper we seem to be in pretty good shape at the guard and wing spots, and I expect a lot of tinkering with those three spots to find the best combinations. Could theoretically go small with a Primo/Dante/Heath set for speed and pressure, could go the other way and have Primo/Murray/Bristol for size to counter three point shooters. At this point, not overly worried about this group.
Assuming the guard spots can be productive and cohesive, the keys become Akok and Ryan. If Akok is healthy and Ryan makes a leap, things may work out fine (if not on these two things, its going to be tough). The third question is Bass. Is he ready to contribute? If so, he goes a way to solving the depth issues at the 4. And Bristol is listed as 6-6 and is apparently a high level defender, so I'd bet we'll see him sliding over to the 4 when we want to spread the court.
Certainly, another PF/C would give the Hoyas more security--and an Osunniyi type would be outstanding--but there appears to be a way forward with the current group.
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Post by seaweed on May 10, 2022 13:26:29 GMT -5
So, assuming we don't get another transfer, and assuming Heath gets a waiver, this seems to be what we are looking at: PG: Dante/Primo--not sure who starts, but assume both play a lot. Denver here for spot minutes. SG: Heath/Riley--Heath likely getting 25-30 min a game, Riley getting sizeable bench/energy minutes. Denver may also get some minutes here. W: Murray/Bristol--Similar to with the SG, Murray getting 25-30, Bristol seeing sizeable bench minutes. PF: Akok/Bass--Akok seeing all he can handle here, with Bass hopefully ready to contribute at least for energy and defense. Assume Bristol and perhaps even Murray slide over to PF when we go small. C: Mutombo/Malcolm--If Ryan shows similar improvement as Q did from frosh to soph, he'll see a lot of time at the C. Malcolm probably spot minutes. Also expect Akok to slide over to small ball 5 quite a bit. As others have noted, at least on paper we seem to be in pretty good shape at the guard and wing spots, and I expect a lot of tinkering with those three spots to find the best combinations. Could theoretically go small with a Primo/Dante/Heath set for speed and pressure, could go the other way and have Primo/Murray/Bristol for size to counter three point shooters. At this point, not overly worried about this group. Assuming the guard spots can be productive and cohesive, the keys become Akok and Ryan. If Akok is healthy and Ryan makes a leap, things may work out fine (if not on these two things, its going to be tough). The third question is Bass. Is he ready to contribute? If so, he goes a way to solving the depth issues at the 4. And Bristol is listed as 6-6 and is apparently a high level defender, so I'd bet we'll see him sliding over to the 4 when we want to spread the court. Certainly, another PF/C would give the Hoyas more security--and an Osunniyi type would be outstanding--but there appears to be a way forward with the current group. Barely an hour old and we already addressed the PF minutes issue. Ask and ye shall receive
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 10, 2022 13:27:59 GMT -5
He is a diamond in the rough, a junk yard dog I tell you! (applies to any sub 200 recruit Gtown ever brought in).
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Post by daveg023 on May 10, 2022 16:48:36 GMT -5
Does anyone really think this roster is better than it was last year?
I can’t buy an argument that the talent level is better, and solely on production, it’s objectively worse. We lost 3 of our top scorers and our starting center.
I really was optimistic after the Nickelberry / Murray news, and at the time we were attached with some top talents. Since then it’s been bitterly disappointing. When you look at the impact transfers teams like Creighton, PC, Butler, and SJ’s have brought in, Heath, Spears, Akok, or Ezewiro are not on the same level.
Sure we’ll win a few more games next year because honestly it’d be statistically impossible to go 0-20 again, but this program has a real chance to reboot this off-season and instead we won’t have a competitive BE roster. The Murray signing was just fool’s gold to get our hopes up things were truly changing.
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Post by TC on May 10, 2022 17:07:30 GMT -5
I think Murray is probably a better player than we've had since Govan or Derrickson. Unless they sign a low post threat like Wahab we'll never see that because he won't be open.
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Post by bills on May 10, 2022 17:16:52 GMT -5
Yes, I think this roster is significantly better than last year. Bristol is a bid step up over Rice. Murray has a broader set of offensive skills than Aminu, who may be back. Akok fills the biggest hole we had, no Power Forward. Heath and Anglin are both as roe up from Beard. It will take very little for Ezewiro to be a step up from Tim. Riley brings high potential playing at full strength.
Last year our offensive options were either Carey or Rice shoot a 3 or Aminu drive into traffic. Next year we have Bristol, Murray, Spears,and Akok who are a threat from 3. We had Aminu, Carey, Holloway, and Harris who could drive to the basket. Next year, even if Aminu does not terurn, we have Murray, Bristol, Riley, Heath, Spears, Akok, and Harris who can drive to the basket. We had Aminu who could rebound. Next year we have Akok, Ezawiro, a stringer Mutombo, Murray, and Bristol who can rebound. We had only a few players with the athleticism to defend other BE players. Next year we have many more players who have a high level of athleticism.
All of this discussion is just guessing until we see who is on the floor, how well they play together, and how well they match up. But I would take this roster over last year’s in a heartbeat.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 10, 2022 17:45:23 GMT -5
Yes, I think this roster is significantly better than last year. Bristol is a bid step up over Rice. Murray has a broader set of offensive skills than Aminu, who may be back. Akok fills the biggest hole we had, no Power Forward. Heath and Anglin are both as roe up from Beard. It will take very little for Ezewiro to be a step up from Tim. Riley brings high potential playing at full strength. Last year our offensive options were either Carey or Rice shoot a 3 or Aminu drive into traffic. Next year we have Bristol, Murray, Spears,and Akok who are a threat from 3. We had Aminu, Carey, Holloway, and Harris who could drive to the basket. Next year, even if Aminu does not terurn, we have Murray, Bristol, Riley, Heath, Spears, Akok, and Harris who can drive to the basket. We had Aminu who could rebound. Next year we have Akok, Ezawiro, a stringer Mutombo, Murray, and Bristol who can rebound. We had only a few players with the athleticism to defend other BE players. Next year we have many more players who have a high level of athleticism. All of this discussion is just guessing until we see who is on the floor, how well they play together, and how well they match up. But I would take this roster over last year’s in a heartbeat. Heath is way better than Beard and should be more comparable to Carey but slightly shorter and more athletic. He will most likely get his waiver and shot 43% from deep last year.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 10, 2022 17:50:42 GMT -5
Yes, I think this roster is significantly better than last year. Bristol is a bid step up over Rice. Murray has a broader set of offensive skills than Aminu, who may be back. Akok fills the biggest hole we had, no Power Forward. Heath and Anglin are both as roe up from Beard. It will take very little for Ezewiro to be a step up from Tim. Riley brings high potential playing at full strength. Last year our offensive options were either Carey or Rice shoot a 3 or Aminu drive into traffic. Next year we have Bristol, Murray, Spears,and Akok who are a threat from 3. We had Aminu, Carey, Holloway, and Harris who could drive to the basket. Next year, even if Aminu does not terurn, we have Murray, Bristol, Riley, Heath, Spears, Akok, and Harris who can drive to the basket. We had Aminu who could rebound. Next year we have Akok, Ezawiro, a stringer Mutombo, Murray, and Bristol who can rebound. We had only a few players with the athleticism to defend other BE players. Next year we have many more players who have a high level of athleticism. All of this discussion is just guessing until we see who is on the floor, how well they play together, and how well they match up. But I would take this roster over last year’s in a heartbeat. Harris cannot drive to the basket.
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Post by bills on May 10, 2022 19:32:38 GMT -5
Harris was very effective at driving to the basket. His quickness consistently let him beat his man off the dribble.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 10, 2022 19:52:50 GMT -5
Harris was very effective at driving to the basket. His quickness consistently let him beat his man off the dribble. No disputing he can get to the basket but too often he missed those shots or had his shot blocked.
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Post by daveg023 on May 10, 2022 22:22:53 GMT -5
Yes, I think this roster is significantly better than last year. Bristol is a bid step up over Rice. Murray has a broader set of offensive skills than Aminu, who may be back. Akok fills the biggest hole we had, no Power Forward. Heath and Anglin are both as roe up from Beard. It will take very little for Ezewiro to be a step up from Tim. Riley brings high potential playing at full strength. Last year our offensive options were either Carey or Rice shoot a 3 or Aminu drive into traffic. Next year we have Bristol, Murray, Spears,and Akok who are a threat from 3. We had Aminu, Carey, Holloway, and Harris who could drive to the basket. Next year, even if Aminu does not terurn, we have Murray, Bristol, Riley, Heath, Spears, Akok, and Harris who can drive to the basket. We had Aminu who could rebound. Next year we have Akok, Ezawiro, a stringer Mutombo, Murray, and Bristol who can rebound. We had only a few players with the athleticism to defend other BE players. Next year we have many more players who have a high level of athleticism. All of this discussion is just guessing until we see who is on the floor, how well they play together, and how well they match up. But I would take this roster over last year’s in a heartbeat. Even if I give you Murray > Aminu, a lot of your premise hinges on a freshman (Anglin), a MEAC guy who hasn’t played in 2 years (Bristol), a guy who’s played sparingly in 2 years following a major injury (Akok), a guy who scored 11 points in the entire season last year (Ezewiro), and a guy coming back from injury off a season he played a handful of his only college games (Riley), to replace real college production we got out of experienced guys in Carey, Holloway, and yes even Rice. Not saying these guys were Otto Porter, but they at least have a track record of production at this level. I think Heath and Spears are more proven commodities and will contribute, but meaningfully counting on the other 5 guys above, who combined for very limited college minutes last year, is asking a lot and hoping all turn out as best case scenarios. Also no debating we are no better at the 5 spot than we were last year, which was problematic as is. I’ll admit this roster has the potential to be better than last year if all the unknowns pan out (not saying a lot off 0-20), but there is a very real scenario it is a worse roster as well if these unproven or pieces with question marks flame out. This is still not a roster becoming of a quality P5 team in my opinion. It’s mostly 3* star talent with a mismatch of skill sets and positional balance. And again it’s all new parts that will take time to learn how to play together.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 11, 2022 0:20:45 GMT -5
Ewing’s Frankenstein roster is probably good for 5-15, but not 10-10.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 11, 2022 7:41:09 GMT -5
Last year we did not have any Bile like players - it seems to me we now have added two tenacious players that are not afraid around the basket. Three guard offense will work - since no one on the board are prophets only time will tell. Note: Harris showed a very quick step and got to the basket plenty of times but did miss a lot of shots. Hopefully rebounding will be emphasized. Play zone - look at the Heat not afraid to play zone in a pro setting.
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Post by thedragon on May 11, 2022 9:44:56 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of:
Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15
Anglin. Bass. Wilson.
Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 11, 2022 10:18:47 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of: Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15 Anglin. Bass. Wilson. Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down. With current roster I wouldn't be shocked to see 4 guard lineups with Akok at the 5 which could give Anglin some PT. Also above lineup is dependent on Heath getting a waiver which I think he will.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 10:27:33 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of: Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15 Anglin. Bass. Wilson. Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down. With current roster I wouldn't be shocked to see 4 guard lineups with Akok at the 5 which could give Anglin some PT. Also above lineup is dependent on Heath getting a waiver which I think he will. I wouldn't say I'd be shocked, but I'd be pretty surprised if we run 4 guards that much w/ no size on the wings. We've got a few 2/3s (Murray, Riley, Bristol), but nobody who's even got legit SF size. Maybe Bass -- but I don't think he'll be ready to contribute much this year. I don't know who "odd man out" will be among the new collection of guards, but I think Anglin will get a decent amount of run.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 10:34:48 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of: Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15 Anglin. Bass. Wilson. Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down. Minor issues w/ that, but this is pretty much it. - Maybe shave off a few regular minutes from the 5 and the 4 spots when we go smaller. - My guess would flip Spears & Harris - Bass & Wilson would definitely be deep bench, but I think Anglin's gonna see some regular minutes. Don't know exactly who that cuts time from, or removes from the regular rotation here. - Can't help but think Wahab is gonna be that Center. Which is fine w/ me.
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Post by prhoya on May 11, 2022 10:35:04 GMT -5
With current roster I wouldn't be shocked to see 4 guard lineups with Akok at the 5 which could give Anglin some PT. Also above lineup is dependent on Heath getting a waiver which I think he will. I wouldn't say I'd be shocked, but I'd be pretty surprised if we run 4 guards that much w/ no size on the wings. We've got a few 2/3s (Murray, Riley, Bristol), but nobody who's even got legit SF size. Maybe Bass -- but I don't think he'll be ready to contribute much this year. I don't know who "odd man out" will be among the new collection of guards, but I think Anglin will get a decent amount of run. I’ve seen Bristol listed at 6’6” and 6’7”. That’s fine for a SF, plus he’s supposed to be a good defender. Bass is listed at 6’7” and has said the staff will use him as a 3 and 4. Hopefully he can provide something similar to LeBlanc’s freshman year.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 10:38:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I'd be shocked, but I'd be pretty surprised if we run 4 guards that much w/ no size on the wings. We've got a few 2/3s (Murray, Riley, Bristol), but nobody who's even got legit SF size. Maybe Bass -- but I don't think he'll be ready to contribute much this year. I don't know who "odd man out" will be among the new collection of guards, but I think Anglin will get a decent amount of run. I’ve seen Bristol listed at 6’6” and 6’7”. That’s fine for a SF. Ryan was listed at 7'2, 250 also - which he obviously is not. Bristol is the definition of lanky. I doubt he's anywhere north of 6'5, but it wouldn't matter if he were -- it's not really the point. Can he play the 3 at that size? Sure. Can he play much 4 at that size? No.
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Post by prhoya on May 11, 2022 10:42:05 GMT -5
I’ve seen Bristol listed at 6’6” and 6’7”. That’s fine for a SF. Ryan was listed at 7'2, 250 also - which he obviously is not. Bristol is the definition of lanky. I doubt he's anywhere north of 6'5, but it wouldn't matter if he were -- it's not really the point. Can he play the 3 at that size? Sure. Can he play much 4 at that size? No. Well, then Bristol has legit SF size. I’m not talking about the 4. Bass has it too and the staff wants to use him as a 3 and 4.
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