Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 24, 2022 9:19:50 GMT -5
I think the most immediate value of this hire may come in who comes with, if anyone.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 24, 2022 9:24:53 GMT -5
Is that who you were hearing or will there be 2 hires today? That's who I was hearing about earlier this morning.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 24, 2022 9:27:43 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I think if talent is upgraded, the offense will work itself out, scorers score and all that, but we absolutely need someone to coach TEAM defense. The defense has been consistently problematic under Ewing but our O hasn’t always been bad. It was at its worse this year without a back to the basket big who we could dump it down to, and our PG play leaves a lot to be desired in terms of facilitating. We also need improvements there.
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Post by conshyhoya on Mar 24, 2022 9:27:49 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't disagree with your points as we need that too but I thought the biggest concern over his 5 years was retention. More talent was leaving than what we were replacing it with. That may not change with a different assistant coach but maybe he will have better relationships with the players than the previous two ACs and he can retain more or at least bring in comparable/better if they do leave.
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Post by conshyhoya on Mar 24, 2022 9:38:00 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I think if talent is upgraded, the offense will work itself out, scorers score and all that, but we absolutely need someone to coach TEAM defense. The defense has been consistently problematic under Ewing but our O hasn’t always been bad. It was at its worse this year without a back to the basket big who we could dump it down to, and our PG play leaves a lot to be desired in terms of facilitating. We also need improvements there. I think the PG issues work themselves out with better scoring options around them. DH was a pass first PG when he was in AAU on BMaze and shooting first on his HS. TB was a pass first PG for Hargrave and he is bound to clean up his TOs and get more run. Collin, DC and Rice along with Tim/Wilson just couldn't get themselves open easily. We saw even when Mutombo came in both DH and TB dropped it down more to him than any of the other two. Defense we definitely need something to change.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 24, 2022 9:40:18 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't disagree with this in concept but I have always felt that all 3 of the true "assistant" roles have to be elite recruiters. There are only 3 guys on the planet other than Patrick himself who can be out there selling recruits on attending Georgetown. As competitive as recruiting is, I think you need all 3 of them to be elite salesmen. There are a lot of other ways to bring in guys who can coach up and develop players or help scout opponents and prepare game plans. There are so many other roles in the program that can be used for that kind of thing. Special assistants (like what Crouch has been), Director of Basketball Operations (currently Howze), Assistant DoBO (currently PE Jr. BFF Irv Horne), Operations Assistants (currently PE Jr. brother Elijah Staley), video coordinators, analytics coordinators (believe we recently parted with the person who was in this role), even graduate assistants. Remember Justin Zormelo who was a manager or grad assistant under JTIII in the Sweet 16/Final 4 years? Turns out that guy is an elite basketball mind who is now personal trainer for Kevin Durant, and VERY highly respected in the NBA community. How much help was he to JTIII? I think more than a lot of people realized at the time. Point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of ways to employ people who can help with player development and gameplanning, but there are only 3 people other than Patrick who can be out there recruiting. I totally agree that bringing in talent is insufficient and we need to be able to actually develop and properly utilize that talent. But just strategically, there are NCAA limits on who can recruit but not a lot of limits on who can aid with development and game planning. So strategically, I think you want elite salesmen in the traditional "Assistant" roles, though we also need to upgrade other positions in the program to help us better utilize and develop talent.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2022 9:44:45 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't disagree with this in concept but I have always felt that all 3 of the true "assistant" roles have to be elite recruiters. There are only 3 guys on the planet other than Patrick himself who can be out there selling recruits on attending Georgetown. As competitive as recruiting is, I think you need all 3 of them to be elite salesmen. There are a lot of other ways to bring in guys who can coach up and develop players or help scout opponents and prepare game plans. There are so many other roles in the program that can be used for that kind of thing. Special assistants (like what Crouch has been), Director of Basketball Operations (currently Howze), Assistant DoBO (currently PE Jr. BFF Irv Horne), Operations Assistants (currently PE Jr. brother Elijah Staley), video coordinators, analytics coordinators (believe we recently parted with the person who was in this role), even graduate assistants. Remember Justin Zormelo who was a manager or grad assistant under JTIII in the Sweet 16/Final 4 years? Turns out that guy is an elite basketball mind who is now personal trainer for Kevin Durant, and VERY highly respected in the NBA community. How much help was he to JTIII? I think more than a lot of people realized at the time. Point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of ways to employ people who can help with player development and gameplanning, but there are only 3 people other than Patrick who can be out there recruiting. I totally agree that bringing in talent is insufficient and we need to be able to actually develop and properly utilize that talent. But just strategically, there are NCAA limits on who can recruit but not a lot of limits on who can aid with development and game planning. So strategically, I think you want elite salesmen in the traditional "Assistant" roles, though we also need to upgrade other positions in the program to help us better utilize and develop talent. All very solid points.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 24, 2022 10:05:33 GMT -5
LSU had an excellent defense this season - 6th in the nation by the KenPom metric. Hopefully Nickelberry played some role in teaching good D to the players.
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 24, 2022 10:21:27 GMT -5
LSU had an excellent defense this season - 6th in the nation by the KenPom metric. Hopefully Nickelberry played some role in teaching good D to the players. This video was posted elsewhere but it does focus a bunch on LSU. Lets just say the system couldn't be any more different than what we were doing, so will be curious to see what, if anything, is integrated.
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Post by IDenj on Mar 24, 2022 10:26:28 GMT -5
How’s his ground game? Will he be able to pull local talent?? And can we expect him to have a few quality recruits come with him??
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Post by conshyhoya on Mar 24, 2022 10:31:17 GMT -5
How’s his ground game? Will he be able to pull local talent?? And can we expect him to have a few quality recruits come with him?? Original rumor I saw suggested Brandon Murray and Alex Fudge. Maybe even Efton Reid.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 24, 2022 11:15:45 GMT -5
Good assistants should help with player retention. 🙏🏻
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Post by LoudSoundOfREBOUND on Mar 24, 2022 11:46:18 GMT -5
In fairness, if my gumbo didn’t turn out the way I wanted I’d probably consult someone from Louisiana too.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 24, 2022 12:19:56 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I don't disagree with this in concept but I have always felt that all 3 of the true "assistant" roles have to be elite recruiters. There are only 3 guys on the planet other than Patrick himself who can be out there selling recruits on attending Georgetown. As competitive as recruiting is, I think you need all 3 of them to be elite salesmen.
There are a lot of other ways to bring in guys who can coach up and develop players or help scout opponents and prepare game plans. There are so many other roles in the program that can be used for that kind of thing. Special assistants (like what Crouch has been), Director of Basketball Operations (currently Howze), Assistant DoBO (currently PE Jr. BFF Irv Horne), Operations Assistants (currently PE Jr. brother Elijah Staley), video coordinators, analytics coordinators (believe we recently parted with the person who was in this role), even graduate assistants. Remember Justin Zormelo who was a manager or grad assistant under JTIII in the Sweet 16/Final 4 years? Turns out that guy is an elite basketball mind who is now personal trainer for Kevin Durant, and VERY highly respected in the NBA community. How much help was he to JTIII? I think more than a lot of people realized at the time. Point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of ways to employ people who can help with player development and gameplanning, but there are only 3 people other than Patrick who can be out there recruiting. I totally agree that bringing in talent is insufficient and we need to be able to actually develop and properly utilize that talent. But just strategically, there are NCAA limits on who can recruit but not a lot of limits on who can aid with development and game planning. So strategically, I think you want elite salesmen in the traditional "Assistant" roles, though we also need to upgrade other positions in the program to help us better utilize and develop talent. What are they selling at this time? When Willard is his staff hits the road, I’d bet my house the 1st thing he’s gonna talk about is how he’s gotten kids better. There’s not a better sales pitch than that in my view
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 24, 2022 12:24:37 GMT -5
Playing time
Pickett and Yurt in the NBA
2021 BET
GU education and culture
Those are my guesses
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 12:24:54 GMT -5
I don't disagree with this in concept but I have always felt that all 3 of the true "assistant" roles have to be elite recruiters. There are only 3 guys on the planet other than Patrick himself who can be out there selling recruits on attending Georgetown. As competitive as recruiting is, I think you need all 3 of them to be elite salesmen.
There are a lot of other ways to bring in guys who can coach up and develop players or help scout opponents and prepare game plans. There are so many other roles in the program that can be used for that kind of thing. Special assistants (like what Crouch has been), Director of Basketball Operations (currently Howze), Assistant DoBO (currently PE Jr. BFF Irv Horne), Operations Assistants (currently PE Jr. brother Elijah Staley), video coordinators, analytics coordinators (believe we recently parted with the person who was in this role), even graduate assistants. Remember Justin Zormelo who was a manager or grad assistant under JTIII in the Sweet 16/Final 4 years? Turns out that guy is an elite basketball mind who is now personal trainer for Kevin Durant, and VERY highly respected in the NBA community. How much help was he to JTIII? I think more than a lot of people realized at the time. Point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of ways to employ people who can help with player development and gameplanning, but there are only 3 people other than Patrick who can be out there recruiting. I totally agree that bringing in talent is insufficient and we need to be able to actually develop and properly utilize that talent. But just strategically, there are NCAA limits on who can recruit but not a lot of limits on who can aid with development and game planning. So strategically, I think you want elite salesmen in the traditional "Assistant" roles, though we also need to upgrade other positions in the program to help us better utilize and develop talent. What are they selling at this time? When Willard is his staff hits the road, I’d bet my house the 1st thing he’s gonna talk about is how he’s gotten kids better. There’s not a better sales pitch than that in my view It doesn't matter. They're salesmen.
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Post by wsdhoya on Mar 24, 2022 13:39:54 GMT -5
I don't disagree with this in concept but I have always felt that all 3 of the true "assistant" roles have to be elite recruiters. There are only 3 guys on the planet other than Patrick himself who can be out there selling recruits on attending Georgetown. As competitive as recruiting is, I think you need all 3 of them to be elite salesmen.
There are a lot of other ways to bring in guys who can coach up and develop players or help scout opponents and prepare game plans. There are so many other roles in the program that can be used for that kind of thing. Special assistants (like what Crouch has been), Director of Basketball Operations (currently Howze), Assistant DoBO (currently PE Jr. BFF Irv Horne), Operations Assistants (currently PE Jr. brother Elijah Staley), video coordinators, analytics coordinators (believe we recently parted with the person who was in this role), even graduate assistants. Remember Justin Zormelo who was a manager or grad assistant under JTIII in the Sweet 16/Final 4 years? Turns out that guy is an elite basketball mind who is now personal trainer for Kevin Durant, and VERY highly respected in the NBA community. How much help was he to JTIII? I think more than a lot of people realized at the time. Point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of ways to employ people who can help with player development and gameplanning, but there are only 3 people other than Patrick who can be out there recruiting. I totally agree that bringing in talent is insufficient and we need to be able to actually develop and properly utilize that talent. But just strategically, there are NCAA limits on who can recruit but not a lot of limits on who can aid with development and game planning. So strategically, I think you want elite salesmen in the traditional "Assistant" roles, though we also need to upgrade other positions in the program to help us better utilize and develop talent. What are they selling at this time? When Willard is his staff hits the road, I’d bet my house the 1st thing he’s gonna talk about is how he’s gotten kids better. There’s not a better sales pitch than that in my view Money is a better sales pitch for a lot of players. It's why LSU recruited so well with Wade and his assistants. They also underperformed wildly on the court because typically 18 year old kids motivated by being paid in college instead of winning and getting better don't perform as well as 21 and 22 year olds looking to win championships.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2022 14:03:58 GMT -5
Efton Reid from Richmond, VA would be a huge get.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2022 14:14:46 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. You do realize that the guy who rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic survived.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2022 14:39:20 GMT -5
I still don’t think recruiting was the biggest weakness. We need someone to coach up and develop the guys we have, install some semblance of an offensive and defensive scheme. I guess this is better news than Kirby being asked to return, but this feels like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. You do realize that the guy who rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic survived. The ship still sunk.
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