dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 23, 2022 22:57:17 GMT -5
Can we have any discussion on this board that is not about wanting a different coach? Numerous posters have made their case for this numerous times and had numerous responses agreeing with them. Numerous threads can be dedicated to making the same points over and over numerous times. Can we have a few posts where we talk about something other than Ewing being the worst coach in the history of college basketball? Apparently not :/ but in the defense of this interjection, acting like somehow it isn't Ewing's fault that the bigs he got haven't worked out or are clogging up the roster, is a very biased position that blames players (which is unfair considering you don't actually know the details of their lives, or practices) while ignoring that the coaches are ones who gave them team spots and are supposed to motivate them. There is no GM to blame here. I don't want to hate on Wilson or Tim but they would not likely get significant minutes on any other BE team. Having a 4 that fits the mold size, skill, and experience-wise would be very helpful for next season. Look at juco or D2 if necessary but actually make realistic assessments of where the players are and how they could perform at the BE level And to your point about Pat needing another version of himself as a player, yeahhhh if a coach needs the number one recruit overall to just get even over .500 in the conference, then he can't coach (in case this isn't clear enough go count how many BE and tournament teams have 5 star players, it really isn't hard to see this). He assembled this group of centers to be the future, how is them not being good enough (or motivated enough) not PE's fault at all? Please like I wanna know in case I am missing something A coach is a helper, a teacher, a molder of men/women, but the student, the athletes have to dò the work. They work together. Some get it early, some never learn the teaching, but there is NO progress or marginal progress without work and talent. Patrick has helped develop some athletes such as Omerseven and Pickett, even those guys weren't world beaters while here. They did well, but kept developing and working. The guys I pointed out have their own work to do. I believe they can be better than they are,in my opinion. It takes work and desire! Another question may be, did Coach misjudge the talent or drive of these athletes. Contrary to what many on this board think, personal development is not ALL on the coach. He is lauded when they succeed and kicked in the butt when they dont. That's what's happening now by many. I'm not not saying he, Ewing, does not deserve criticism!!
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Post by southernhoyafan on Mar 24, 2022 8:04:48 GMT -5
Apparently not :/ but in the defense of this interjection, acting like somehow it isn't Ewing's fault that the bigs he got haven't worked out or are clogging up the roster, is a very biased position that blames players (which is unfair considering you don't actually know the details of their lives, or practices) while ignoring that the coaches are ones who gave them team spots and are supposed to motivate them. There is no GM to blame here. I don't want to hate on Wilson or Tim but they would not likely get significant minutes on any other BE team. Having a 4 that fits the mold size, skill, and experience-wise would be very helpful for next season. Look at juco or D2 if necessary but actually make realistic assessments of where the players are and how they could perform at the BE level And to your point about Pat needing another version of himself as a player, yeahhhh if a coach needs the number one recruit overall to just get even over .500 in the conference, then he can't coach (in case this isn't clear enough go count how many BE and tournament teams have 5 star players, it really isn't hard to see this). He assembled this group of centers to be the future, how is them not being good enough (or motivated enough) not PE's fault at all? Please like I wanna know in case I am missing something A coach is a helper, a teacher, a molder of men/women, but the student, the athletes have to dò the work. They work together. Some get it early, some never learn the teaching, but there is NO progress or marginal progress without work and talent. Patrick has helped develop some athletes such as Omerseven and Pickett, even those guys weren't world beaters while here. They did well, but kept developing and working. The guys I pointed out have their own work to do. I believe they can be better than they are,in my opinion. It takes work and desire! Another question may be, did Coach misjudge the talent or drive of these athletes. Contrary to what many on this board think, personal development is not ALL on the coach. He is lauded when they succeed and kicked in the butt when they dont. That's what's happening now by many. I'm not not saying he, Ewing, does not deserve criticism!! If the development of players is the primary measuring stick, then every coach in NCAA men's and women's basketball should probably be worried about that jobs. The fact is that every coach in America has a number of scholarship players on their benches every year that never develops into what was seen as their full potential. Just look at the transfer portal. It is filled with young men and women who are not progressing according to schedule. And they don't always just go to another team and all of a sudden, the light switch flips to on. And this has been the case since the beginning of basketball time. Benches have always and will continue to have players sitting on them that don't get minutes. Hell, that includes the NBA.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Mar 24, 2022 9:19:29 GMT -5
2 things: if you can goad 97 into saying we need to talk about Ewing ten times in one day, do we still have that mandatory timeout?
Main thing I want to do is talk about Wilson and what he brings to the team. EVERY team has a couple scholarship guys that rarely see the floor. Duke does, Gonzaga does, etc. Every year, teams figure out which 10 or fewer guys will really be in the rotation. Barring injury, several guys only play in garbage time. One of the roles that the guys at the end of the bench traditionally play is to be the team's actual "student-athletes". Not saying guys who play a lot CAN'T be this, but... If Wilson brings up GU's graduation rate, at the end of his 4 years, that alone is a service to the University and the team. I'll note, ironically, that at many schools, the end of the bench guys are among the few white players. JT II proved that Black athletes can also fill that role. I am so glad we have a class act like Wilson at the end of our bench and not a clown like that DePaul guy who, mercifully, seems to have graduated and no longer pollutes BE arenas with silly antics.
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Post by bills on Mar 24, 2022 9:46:45 GMT -5
I fully agree. Wilson will graduate with a Georgetown degree and I am confident he will make the University proud of what he accomplishes in his life. He has worked hard but his skills and his strength have not matured into a strong BE center. As you said, every team has players at the end of the bench, some of them projects that did not pay off in what they can do on the court. Wilson deserves getting his degree and getting the appreciation from the fans at Senior Night next season.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 24, 2022 9:54:18 GMT -5
I am so glad we have a class act like Wilson at the end of our bench and not a clown like that DePaul guy who, mercifully, seems to have graduated and no longer pollutes BE arenas with silly antics. Say what you will about Pantelis Xidias, but there was a first generation kid who got to live his dream and do whatever he could to breathe some life into some awful DePaul teams. He was a three time Big East All-Academic selection, graduated on time, and is working in the financial services industry in Chicago. Not a bad outcome. www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-pantelis-xidias-dancing-bench-20180220-story.html
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 24, 2022 22:53:18 GMT -5
I am so glad we have a class act like Wilson at the end of our bench and not a clown like that DePaul guy who, mercifully, seems to have graduated and no longer pollutes BE arenas with silly antics. Say what you will about Pantelis Xidias, but there was a first generation kid who got to live his dream and do whatever he could to breathe some life into some awful DePaul teams. He was a three time Big East All-Academic selection, graduated on time, and is working in the financial services industry in Chicago. Not a bad outcome. www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-pantelis-xidias-dancing-bench-20180220-story.htmlI'm thrilled for him, but he was a circus act out there, glad he's not on TV anymore.
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