Programs securing futures…

[smokeyjack]

…and making moves (Xavier, Maryland, LSU). GU standing pat after that 0-20 dazzler. What a joke! We were already irrelevant. Now the administration is indifferent. Next year’s games are going to be strictly friends and family affairs.

[sweetness]

The crowds will be embarrassingly bad next year. Why does it have to come to that for the admin to make the obvious move?

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

I don't know about securing futures other then the future of those coaches getting big contracts. We are clearly keeping Pat at this point and we are operating without two assistants right now. The move to be made probably isn't going to happen and that is to bring in brooks & jones. We then gotta knock it out of the park maybe securing Ward and then go buck wild on the waiver wire (aka.portal). The likelihood of all this happening? Well, St. Peter's made it to the sweet 16 so who knows.

We need Aminu back along with a healthy Riley, Beard & leaner Billingsley & Mutombo. We need a reset on our talent across the board with some serious pruning if we are being honest with ourselves. This is going to be a tough few months.

[vv83]

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, that I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

[cas92]

Mar 21, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, the I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

Fully expecting a continued run of losing seasons overall - w/ a whole lot of euphemisms bandied about concerning "progress" and the like.

Ponder this - Danny Manning has as many championships as a player as Ewing: ONE - and also another as an assistant coach w/ Kansas - he's in the Basketball Hall of Fame and while his professional career may not be as lauded as Ewing's, he did garner a number of plaudits while in the League.  He eventually flamed out @ Wake Forest as a HC - and was mediocre to average @ best this season after taking over from Turgeon @ College Park as an interim - the Terps elected not to retain him and install him as permanent.  Manning's CV reads as such:

Team manager/(eventually) assistant coach (Kansas - 2003 to 2012) under Bill Self -

1 NCAA national title, 2 Final Fours, 5 NCAA Elite Eight appearances, 8 Big 12 regular-season conference titles, 5 Big 12 tournament championships

Head coach (Tulsa - 2012 to 2014) -

First NCAA berth since 2003 in 2014, 2014 CUSA Coach of the year

Head coach (Wake Forest - 2014 to 2020); this is more an academic consideration as this tenure (athletically) was uneven and subpar -

16 players made dean's list and 29 players achieved 3.0 at some point during their career @ WF

Those in charge @ College Park evidently recognized his shortcomings and actively looked elsewhere to salvage their program - and while he always may be a favored son in Lawrence owing to his playing career, there's likely little chance that he would ever be given the reigns to that program in the event that Self steps down.

[EasyEd]

Wondering why we need this thread rather than posting its content in another of the similar threads.

[hoyarooter]

Mar 21, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, the I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

I can't say I "like" this, but I do agree with it. Meanwhile, Iowa St. goes 2-22, hires a new coach, and reaches the Sweet 16 while coming out of the best conference in the country (sorry Big 10, which face planted again). Which shows that while unlikely, complete reversals are not impossible. And here we are, opting to replace a couple assistants.

[DonkDonk]

Mar 21, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, that I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

The quoted post above should be pinned up on this board.

The worst part is still ahead: being 10-21 next year and it being touted as heading in the right direction. The whole point is that the course the program is on is flawed. We need entirely new people running the program and team. Not debatable at this point.

The reason other universities are able to improve and make changes to better coaches, is because their presidents didn’t make cripplingly poor decisions involving wasting millions of dollars. Or, if they did, they owned it and did what was necessary to fix it.

[EtomicB]

Mar 21, 2022 21:00:04 GMT -5 DonkDonk said:

Mar 21, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, that I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

The quoted post above should be pinned up on this board.

The worst part is still ahead: being 10-21 next year and it being touted as heading in the right direction. The whole point is that the course the program is on is flawed. We need entirely new people running the program and team. Not debatable at this point.

The reason other universities are able to improve and make changes to better coaches, is because their presidents didn’t make cripplingly poor decisions involving wasting millions of dollars. Or, if they did, they owned it and did what was necessary to fix it.

In most other universities they allow their athletic department heads to handle the hiring, firing & contracts. Yes, final approval has to come from the President or board.

It was Xavier’s AD that fired Steele & Hired Miller. It’ll be Seton Hall’s AD running point for their next coach

The only program in the BE that goes directly thru the President and or board is Gtown

[CTHoya08]

Mar 21, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5 vv83 said:

Let's be realistic - the most likely scenario looks something like:

- the assistant hires will be uninspiring at best.
-Aminu will leave for either the pros or a better college setting.
-A couple of other somewhat promising young players will transfer.
-Our incoming transfers will be Kaiden Rice level guys, at best.


We'll end up with the easiest non-conference schedule ever created, and go maybe 8-3. We'll win a couple of conference games just on random variance, maybe 3-17. we'll finish 11-20, and it will be sold as progress, and Ewing will again be retained for at least another season.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but this seems like far and a way the most likely general scenario for the coming year.

The only other general scenario I can envision: (another poster laid this scenario out maybe a month or so ago, and it feels like the only alternative to the status quo we are heading towards now)
-we can't convince any remotely decent assistant to take these jobs
-Aminu leaves, Beard and Riley leave, maybe someone else leaves
-maybe Bass or Anglin rethink their commitments when they see these issues emerge fully
-no transfers/de-committed freshmen worth anything have any interest in coming to Georgetown
-These developments finally convince DeGioia/the board that the program is on the verge of being fully non-functional with Ewing as coach, to the point where the only assistants we can get are inexperienced Georgetown basketball alums, and the only transfers we can get are not nearly Big East caliber players - and they decide that they have to fire Ewing or risk running a team out there that is completely non-competitive, with a roster filled with low major talents and walk ons. They fire Ewing some time in late April/early may
-this late in the hiring cycle, we can only hire a new coach from the "family" - maybe Broadus, maybe Cox, maybe Amaker (when Amaker is your "best case scenario, you know your program is in trouble)

I would put this scenario at a less than 5% chance of happenning. I don't know which scenario would be worse

the one thing that seems almost impossible : we fire Ewing and hire a good young coach from outside the "family". I can't see any possibility of the happening now, or any time in the next few years. I hope, with all my Hoya heart, that I am wrong. But this program is deep inside it's own *** right now, and I just don't see any likely path out.

If we were somehow to miraculously reach the point that we fire Ewing and do a real coaching search: with most of the top candidates we have discussed off the board, I think I still like Kyle Neptune (Fordham) as much as anyone.

Your second scenario is what I fear most (I posted something along those lines, but certainly don’t want “credit”). The first one is bad, but there’s chance that someone with authority sees through the “progress” spin and puts an end to this thing in March 2023 (e.g., maybe there’s a change in the composition of the board and a new member cuts through the BS). If we make a move in April or May this year, we’re almost certainly going to get stuck with an uninspiring choice who will need to be given three to five years at the helm before we make another move.

[practice]

Ran into a friend of mine last who I haven't seen in a while -- for many years we mostly saw each other at home games, both of us season ticket holders for maybe 20+ years at this point. One of the first items of discussion -- "Are you getting your seats next season? No? Me neither. Have you called to cancel yet? Yeah, so have I." I would put both of us in the "hardcore" category of Hoya hoops fans ... and both of us agreed that we had to send a message to the university.