UMD or GU, what's the better job (per Casual)

[Lethal_Interjection]

In keeping with the Sports Junkies theme - they had author and Washington Post columnist John Feinstein on this morning in his weekly spot - and he claims to have heard that Ewing will announce his retirement soon - either before or after the Big East Tournament.

You can listen to that segment here.

www.casualhoya.com/2022/3/4/22961451/whats-the-better-job-georgetown-or-maryland

It's going to very interesting to see how this will unfold in the later weeks.

[iowa80]

Would we really want a coach detached enough to think “Hoops is the Number 1 priority there”?

[SSHoya]

Mar 4, 2022 13:09:53 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Would we really want a coach detached enough to think “Hoops is the Number 1 priority there”?

My inference is that the statement, if made, was made in the context of football v. basketball.

[hoyaatheart55]

All these years later, Maryland is still out of place in the Big Ten. We’re where we belong in the Big East and I still think we can be right up there with Nova and UConn if we find the right guy to lead us.

[hoyas212]

Very close, but would lean Georgetown on the basis of: conference fit in terms of where recruits in the region would prefer to play, infrastructure relative to conference peers, and Nike/Jordan > Under Armour in terms of high school and aau affiliations, as well as what is popular to wear (which shouldn't be overlooked).  Maryland's big advantage is the XFinity Center over Cap One.  

Think most everything else amounts to a wash.  As much as recruits praise GU's academics, high level recruits like Chris Ledlum actually making that a top priority in choosing a school are rare.  Both have good practice facilities.  Player housing is similar enough, neither has a mansion like Kentucky or Kansas, and Georgetown has upgraded from the Copley days.  For what a typical day entails for a high major basketball player, Georgetown and College Park might as well be the same. Current recruits are aware of each program's tradition and past success, but don't remember either program being Final Four caliber.  Maryland does play Big Ten football, but the game day environment there isn't going to be anywhere near as potentially impressionable as a SEC visit. 

[hoyainla]

If Ronny is gone and the coach had free reign to run a modern basketball program Georgetown is the better job. As things stand right now UMD is.

[iowa80]

It’s damning with faint praise to think that our prioritization of basketball over football makes GU a “better job.” Granted that we “belong” more in the Big East than UMCP does in the Big Ten, but I still think the potential resources, fan support, and lack of administrative interference make Maryland preferable. In essence, winning is more of a priority at MD, football or no.

[beenaround]

On the other hand, the Maryland fan base is far bigger and far more demanding. Turgeon was a lot more successful than Patrick.

[kettlehill]

Mar 4, 2022 14:32:38 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

If Ronny is gone and the coach had free reign to run a modern basketball program Georgetown is the better job. As things stand right now UMD is.

If Ronny et all are gone, I agree, its not even close. Big If though

[tashoya]

I'd agree that if the entire staff at Georgetown goes, GU is the better job. And, it has a better history to sell with regard to social consciousness and equality which should be a point of emphasis, IMO, as it's one of the things about in which, I believe, most of us take a lot of pride. I think that part of Big John's legacy needs to continue as it's, arguably, the most important and commendable part. Yes, we had some great teams for a number of years and won a title. But, those things need to be worked at from multiple angles and so many things have to fall the right way to replicate that. To keep the ethos that Big John brought requires only a commitment to keeping it alive. It's far less "dangerous" in 2022 to speak up and make yourself heard (in many ways) than it was when Big John was doing it. But, it's, certainly, no less important. If an incoming coach is passionate about that part of Georgetown, the comparison between GU and UMD isn't a comparison at all. GU posterizes UMD in that regard. I'm not saying that our program should be political in any way for the sake of doing so. Only that, if Georgetown MBB becomes relevant again and has some spotlight/voice, that that voice could be used to do some good. As it stands, because the on-court results have been so dismal, there's nothing really to talk about other than the past. I would love to see Georgetown regain its relevance and continue to be a leader in some segments of societal issues because it has the platform and people are paying attention. The point is, essentially, moot right now because no one outside of the die-hards care and those that used to respect/fear us just feel sorry for us if they think of us at all.

[Elvado]

Mar 4, 2022 22:17:09 GMT -5 tashoya said:

I'd agree that if the entire staff at Georgetown goes, GU is the better job. And, it has a better history to sell with regard to social consciousness and equality which should be a point of emphasis, IMO, as it's one of the things about in which, I believe, most of us take a lot of pride. I think that part of Big John's legacy needs to continue as it's, arguably, the most important and commendable part. Yes, we had some great teams for a number of years and won a title. But, those things need to be worked at from multiple angles and so many things have to fall the right way to replicate that. To keep the ethos that Big John brought requires only a commitment to keeping it alive. It's far less "dangerous" in 2022 to speak up and make yourself heard (in many ways) than it was when Big John was doing it. But, it's, certainly, no less important. If an incoming coach is passionate about that part of Georgetown, the comparison between GU and UMD isn't a comparison at all. GU posterizes UMD in that regard. I'm not saying that our program should be political in any way for the sake of doing so. Only that, if Georgetown MBB becomes relevant again and has some spotlight/voice, that that voice could be used to do some good. As it stands, because the on-court results have been so dismal, there's nothing really to talk about other than the past. I would love to see Georgetown regain its relevance and continue to be a leader in some segments of societal issues because it has the platform and people are paying attention. The point is, essentially, moot right now because no one outside of the die-hards care and those that used to respect/fear us just feel sorry for us if they think of us at all.

Big John’s message would never have been heard at 6-22. He knew it and said as much.

Georgetown basketball cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. We need to achieve base level competence in Basketball before we start worrying about our platform. If not, all the good intentions and positive messaging in the world will not be heard.

[hoyaphan]

Probably Maryland because they actually care about their basketball team and they don't employ the worst coach in basketball (Ewing)

[boxout05]

I hate to say it, but big picture I think you’d rather be in the B1G then the Big East. Even if the entry fee is paying millions so a garbage football can get its teeth kicked in by tOSU, Mich, etc. every year, you’re bringing in a lot more money, have a lot more visibility, and you don’t have to worry about your conference getting banished to the kids’ table with each realignment or renegotiation.