DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 1, 2022 13:53:59 GMT -5
After the BE meet the men fell 6 places to #72 in the nation. The men are 4th in the Mid-Atlantic region moving up two spots from last rankings. They also remain 3rd in the BE, even though they finished 5th at the meet. They remain 4th in the mile squad rankings. The women fell 17 places to #102 nationally and fell one place in the Region to #8. The women remain #5 in the BE. Since you follow track as closely as anyone on this board, what are your thoughts as to why Georgetown has declined in indoor track over the past 10-15 years?
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 1, 2022 21:05:09 GMT -5
The middle distances are as good as at any time; see a sweep of the men's mile, each breaking the former BE record and all under 4 minutes. They also have a great sprinter, especially in the 200m, Joshua Paige, who has been setting GU indoor records all year. Given that, the field events are Georgetown's Achilles tendon, with only 4 points. Another problem is that the super shoes have made a mockery of times, so while the Hoyas have had some great times, the rest of the nation is coming in with serious performances. In a normal year the Hoyas would have a couple of milers, a couple of 800m runners, a 5000m runner, and the DMR team going to nationals. Well, the DMR team went down to the JDL DMR, which was supposed to get the Hoyas a top 12 time to the NCAA, but it turned out to be a fiasco, not only our first runner was tripped up, but the venue and how the meet was run was horrible. They should have gone to the Wilson meet at Notre Dame, where most of the DMR teams to the NCAA were there. And as far of the Big East goes, the men should have been 2nd, but a couple of injuries at the last moment crushed that, but they were still only 8 points behind. And the elephant in the room was UConn. I am not sure how they can manage so many points. They are a state school, so I guess they can get more than the 12.5 scholarships, because the tuition is cheaper and they can somehow spread those 12.5 scholarships longer. It seemed they had three or four runners in each event, track and field.
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Post by reformation on Mar 2, 2022 12:06:33 GMT -5
Seem's like the team is on an uptrend now-after admittedly a pretty long downtrend (looking at the whole program-XC, Indoor, Outdoor)
Would think a number of factors at play + some random observations 1)New head coach--I think it's a positive 2)Seems like over the last Decade + we've been pretty good at getting the team to run good times, but have had issues performing at the NCAA meet 3)We've produced some really big-time runners recently--though they have had much more success after leaving Gtwn as grads or transfers 4)We have had a tougher time getting the big-time postgrad transfers from the ivies--maybe with the coaching and uptrend in the teams perf that will change 5)Ivies are much more competitive for elite recruits than they used to be given some excellent coaching hires + dramatic change in ivies ability on the fin aid front vs our scholarship offerings 6)Diversifying the team away from its traditional mid distance strength to include some sprints and maintaining excellence is not easy and is probably still a bit of a work in progress
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RG
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Post by RG on Mar 3, 2022 9:55:31 GMT -5
I find it disappointing and frustrating that, considering the past successes of the mens' and women's programs, we are ranked 72nd and 102nd nationally. I am wondering how the fact that we do not have a track complex hurts our recruiting. I am also curious as to why we have not been able to attract sprinters who can compete nationally. (It is nice to see that we do have a men's sprinter right now who is tearing up the track!) Nevada suggested that it might partially be due to not having good weather like the SEC schools, for example, but a program like Oregon, for example, with its crappy weather, has no problem recruiting across the board, though of course they have the amazing facilities to attract recruits. But even in the Big East, we trail several of the other schools in both men and women when it comes to the sprints through the 400. It is wonderful to see how the middle distance runners are excelling. It would be nice to see us be more competitive across the board.
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RusskyHoya
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 3, 2022 14:15:20 GMT -5
Facilities is a huge issue and is responsible for a lot of it, especially the lack of any kind of pretty much any field event infrastructure. My understanding of the challenge with sprint distances is that it has a similar demographic dynamic as, say, wide receivers - a position Georgetown football really struggles to recruit for some similar reasons.
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hoyaduck
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Post by hoyaduck on Mar 3, 2022 14:20:50 GMT -5
I find it disappointing and frustrating that, considering the past successes of the mens' and women's programs, we are ranked 72nd and 102nd nationally. I am wondering how the fact that we do not have a track complex hurts our recruiting. I am also curious as to why we have not been able to attract sprinters who can compete nationally. (It is nice to see that we do have a men's sprinter right now who is tearing up the track!) Nevada suggested that it might partially be due to not having good weather like the SEC schools, for example, but a program like Oregon, for example, with its crappy weather, has no problem recruiting across the board, though of course they have the amazing facilities to attract recruits. But even in the Big East, we trail several of the other schools in both men and women when it comes to the sprints through the 400. It is wonderful to see how the middle distance runners are excelling. It would be nice to see us be more competitive across the board. Hey now... the weather in Eugene is lovely (for distance runners year round... Less so for sprinters and field events, but it helps having the option to practice indoors).
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