Would A Move to the Ivy League Get This Turned Around?

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Would A Move to the Ivy League Get This Turned Around?

[hoyalove4ever]

NO

[johnnysnowplow]

Is this a serious question?

[madgesiq92]

No but hiring James Jones in 2017 might have.

[iowa80]

I don’t want to have to play Dartmouth 2x a year.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

NO, can we shut this down. This is silly.

[Bigs"R"Us]

The Ivies are not looking to add schools and dilute their mystique. Also, sports aren’t the tail that wags the dog for them. I would go in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. We have little in common with the Big East schools besides the Catholic school identity. Most GU students don’t have friends at BE schools outside of maybe Nova.

[Admin]

This is neither serious nor appropriate. The Ivy League thinks of Georgetown the way GU thinks of American, and wants nothing to do with it.

As Georgetown is a founding member who helped reconstitute the Big East, that is our home and there it shall stay.

[OmaHoya]

Tell me you want me to block you without telling me you want me to block you.

[Highsmith]

Please don't ever say that again.

[Deleted]

Feb 18, 2022 16:43:24 GMT -5 Admin said:

This is neither serious nor appropriate. The Ivy League thinks of Georgetown the way GU thinks of American every other non-Ivy private university , and wants nothing to do with it.

As Georgetown is a founding member who helped reconstitute the Big East, that is our home and there it shall stay.

Not germane to this thread, but fixed nonetheless. Haughtiness, thy gates are at 37th & O.

[CTHoya08]

This question really shouldn’t be taken seriously, but I’ll bite.

The Ivy League doesn’t want to expand, and it’s not going to change its mind for Georgetown. But even if it did want to expand, and even if it did want Georgetown, moving to the Ivy would not result in a turnaround for Hoya Hoops.

We’d actually be at a pretty big athletic disadvantage in the Ivy League, because we wouldn’t be able to offer athletic scholarships any more. We’d be limited in offering the same need-based aid that we do for every other student. And our packages are simply not as generous as those at the Ivies (at least the top ones), because we don’t have nearly as much money. If I were a recruit, and you told me I could go to HYP for free, or go to GU and take on a bunch of loans and a work-study job, I know what decision I’d make, and it wouldn’t be to don the Blue and Gray. Look at what happens when our non-scholarship football team plays Ivy League opponents.

There’s a separate question of whether we’d be willing to sacrifice the athletic program if for some reason the Ivies decided they did want to expand, and they wanted Georgetown. (Again, to emphasize—not happening.) Even if that did occur, I think everyone—high school applicants, and especially graduates of the Ancient Eight—would perceive a differences between the “real Ivies” and the newcomer.

[Bigs"R"Us]

The school’s stature would be raised overnight. The Ivies current have a pecking order.

[reformation]

Even though we currently play as a mid-tier Ivy this would probably cement us in our current malaise. If this ever happened it would probably be good for most Gtwn sports, just not BB.

Sadly, I'd say that we are probably falling further behind the Ivy's rather than catching up from a general institutional perspective. Certainly, it's not an agenda item for the Ivy's. Hard to see what Gtwn would add from their perspective. Always nice to speculate/fantasize-I guess message boards are a good place to do that.

From a practical perspective I think the the athletic dept would do well to rationalize its non-men's BB programs if it benchmarked them against the Ivy and scheduled them systematically as we do in football.

[Deleted]

This thread reminds me of George Carlin's book club bit. One of the absurd titles in the self-help section:

I Gave Up Hope, Died... and It Worked!

[GUMBA]

Feb 18, 2022 14:14:07 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Would A Move to the Ivy League Get This Turned Around?

Was this an attempt to foreshadow an Amaker hire? God I hope not.

[happyhoya1979]

There are two separate impacts with respect to the question and they are 1) Impact to the Basketball Program and 2) Impact to the University.

With respect to the first, a move to the Ivy League would permanently relegate the basketball program to second tier status. We would no longer be in one of the six power conferences and the trappings of being able to recruit 5 star talent, play in a 20,000 seat arena, have several guys in the NBA and be seen on top level network and cable would be gone. We would no longer be the focus of being one of the 60+ NCAA teams. However, right now, based on the last 15 years basketball actually has a negative impact on alumni as we are the guys famous for the many first round flops and who gets pummeled every game in a major conference. (As an alumnus, I now take abuse that has gone from gentle razzing to outright laughter for being a Georgetown fan).

With respect to the second, a move to the Ivy League would solidify and give what I think is proper recognition to an elite university- one that can lead the nation in Fulbright scholars or produce 8 of the 25 members of a Presidential Cabinet and that is second in the nation in the production of members of Congress. The School of Foreign Service with its numerous head of state and foreign minister alumni is unmatched in the world. An alumnus has occupied the first most important position in the world (Clinton) and came within a small margin of occupying the third most important position(Kono in Japan). The most important economic actor in the world, Jerome Powell is an alumnus of the law school. We are solidly in the company of any of the second tier Ivy schools. The recognition this would give us far exceeds the value of a national powerhouse basketball team, and the way our secondary sports team would struggle with our inferior financial resources in the Ivy League. However, the window for doing this has faded as we have moved down from a US News 17 rating in the early 1990s,solidly ahead of places like Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Notre Dame and the like to a barely hanging on US News 23-25ish stature. We have just fallen too far into much broader company.

I think where this leaves us in 2022 is that we have to regroup and use the assets we have (first class practice facility, Big East status, ability to pay a $3 million salary, NBA home arena etc.) to rebuild the basketball program with the best head coach we can recruit and who can retain athletes that don't transfer and stay committed to the program. If we are going to be in power six conference we need be able to win at least some of the time.

[hoyaatheart55]

The only thing I want to say here is

Can we please let this thread/ridiculous thought die

[nbhoya]

I’d be for it

[augustusfinknottle]

I hope never to see Ivy pluralized as Ivy’s again.