hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Feb 17, 2022 12:33:52 GMT -5
GU needs a system and should recruit to that system. Not a SU fan but at least you know you will play zone all day. Shaka: (VCU - TX) Defense (press all day) and recruit long and athletic players with high motors that want to play defense and get rebounds. GU used to be that team. Pro systems don't work in the BE. You must be ready for a dog fight each and every game. "Pro systems don't work in the BE". This. And don't work in most of college basketball., especially on defense. But, much of Ewing's recruiting has been based on: I can teach pro systems. And most college players come in believing they are destined for the NBA. They are told that by their families, high school friends, etc. Remember Tyler's family pre-season posting that he would be a one and done? On offense, an NBA system can work in college, if one can recruit a minimum of 3 legit NBA prospects per squad, which Ewing did once. And then you have to manage egos, like with Mackinjo. Or it falls apart. As our record with Aminu shows, getting one future pro and having little around him is not going to work. And we don't have 2 more on tap among next year's signings. We have a projected good college player,(Anglin) a fairly unknown quantity (Bass) and a Howard transfer who had a great MEAC freshman year 2 years ago. Maybe, because of his family background, Bristow is more realistic about his pro prospects. I'd love it if all 3 proved to be NBA quality, but I can't project that, for sure, for even one of them. I believe it's too late to hire a defensive assistant coach and give him full reign/responsibility. for teaching defense in practices. I think if Ewing had done that, say 2 years ago, he might have saved his job and reputation. I really wanted Ewing to succeed, to prove he could be one of those few Lenny Wilkens types, to go old school in my references. I'm sad that he didn't and agree with all who say "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly:"
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 17, 2022 12:38:26 GMT -5
The problem is everyone else got older, while the hoyas got younger. That's on Coach. For the sake of growing the program, some of this year frosh need not have been recruited. Maybe in a year or two they will be significant contributors, but Coaches objective should have been to win today. The portal provided an opportunity to put mature talent around your five star recruit and Coach failed... Agree but I think Ryan or Aminu were the last to commit. Beard was first due to PG year, then some order of Riley/Billingsley, Mutombo and then Aminu I think. I really would have liked to see the utilization of Riley if he didn't get hurt. He was the second most exciting freshman on the surface of things. If we can get back Aminu, Riley and Beard that would be great. Kids like the late signings from the sophomore class as well as sub-150 kids we really may not have the luxury to develop. That is what the transfer process is for or you get kids to buy into contributing in year three. Is that something a Billingsley or Mutombo would sign up for? Our junior class with three bigs was the same. None of them should have seen the floor prior to year 3 which is why you can't have 3 in a class. Striking out on the kid who ended up at Washington along with Kockburn really hurts. We then tried Tshiebwe and struck out on him and then got Qudus. He was clearly 4th best in that group by a country mile.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 17, 2022 14:27:07 GMT -5
Now this is a productive conversation that I can somewhat agree with in regards to coach Ewing. He needs to select players that fit his system and style of play. Definitely need transfer portal and four star talent.
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 17, 2022 15:19:54 GMT -5
The problem is everyone else got older, while the hoyas got younger. That's on Coach. For the sake of growing the program, some of this year frosh need not have been recruited. Maybe in a year or two they will be significant contributors, but Coaches objective should have been to win today. The portal provided an opportunity to put mature talent around your five star recruit and Coach failed... Agree but I think Ryan or Aminu were the last to commit. Beard was first due to PG year, then some order of Riley/Billingsley, Mutombo and then Aminu I think. I really would have liked to see the utilization of Riley if he didn't get hurt. He was the second most exciting freshman on the surface of things. If we can get back Aminu, Riley and Beard that would be great. Kids like the late signings from the sophomore class as well as sub-150 kids we really may not have the luxury to develop. That is what the transfer process is for or you get kids to buy into contributing in year three. Is that something a Billingsley or Mutombo would sign up for? Our junior class with three bigs was the same. None of them should have seen the floor prior to year 3 which is why you can't have 3 in a class. Striking out on the kid who ended up at Washington along with Kockburn really hurts. We then tried Tshiebwe and struck out on him and then got Qudus. He was clearly 4th best in that group by a country mile. Just wanted to say this is an excellent read on the recruiting timeline and priorities. I see it exactly the same way, same thing happened with the Q class. Ewing trying to secure earl commitments to get some momentum going then finding a better talent and having to add them, making one or two previous pieces less of a need. Three days suspension for violation of post frequency rules.--Admin
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 17, 2022 17:56:03 GMT -5
Definitely agree with the sentiments expressed here! I said it earlier, the other teams in the BE have some much more veteran and savvy players. I don’t think we should ever be in a situation where we are having to play three or four freshmen. Mind you, I like all of our freshmen; in a couple of years they will be great. Right now, they are overwhelmed. We also can use some wide bodies. And—we need to be able to defend and knock down 3s!
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 17, 2022 21:15:41 GMT -5
Have not posted in a while do apologize if topic has been covered. I know that Ewing played in NBA for a long time and coached as an assistant for a long time so I understand why he has tried to take the NBA model as his system, but he went to three Final Fours and won a championship under a pretty darn good system used by JT2. I know he knows how to teach it, if not then there are plenty former Hoyas that could help him. JT2 teams were built on defense and toughness. Others have mentioned that coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Shaka Smart use it now with success.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 17, 2022 21:39:25 GMT -5
Have not posted in a while do apologize if topic has been covered. I know that Ewing played in NBA for a long time and coached as an assistant for a long time so I understand why he has tried to take the NBA model as his system, but he went to three Final Fours and won a championship under a pretty darn good system used by JT2. I know he knows how to teach it, if not then there are plenty former Hoyas that could help him. JT2 teams were built on defense and toughness. Others have mentioned that coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Shaka Smart use it now with success. Excellent point you made about JT2 system. PE don’t have the players to fit his NBA system. He need to also bring in a young defensive minded assistant coach.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2022 21:55:49 GMT -5
Have not posted in a while do apologize if topic has been covered. I know that Ewing played in NBA for a long time and coached as an assistant for a long time so I understand why he has tried to take the NBA model as his system, but he went to three Final Fours and won a championship under a pretty darn good system used by JT2. I know he knows how to teach it, if not then there are plenty former Hoyas that could help him. JT2 teams were built on defense and toughness. Others have mentioned that coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Shaka Smart use it now with success. Excellent point you made about JT2 system. PE don’t have the players to fit his NBA system. He need to also bring in a young defensive minded assistant coach. He is responsible for his team’s roster, to recruit players to fit the system he knows, and hire/fire his assistant coaches. He’s had five years and, according to you, Pat doesn’t have the players to fit his NBA system and hasn’t changed his staff. It’s too late.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Feb 18, 2022 1:51:53 GMT -5
Now this is a productive conversation that I can somewhat agree with in regards to coach Ewing. He needs to select players that fit his system and style of play. Definitely need transfer portal and four star talent. Pat has proven that he is incapable of recruiting those type of players in the past 5 seasons...
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Feb 18, 2022 10:03:09 GMT -5
Have not posted in a while do apologize if topic has been covered. I know that Ewing played in NBA for a long time and coached as an assistant for a long time so I understand why he has tried to take the NBA model as his system, but he went to three Final Fours and won a championship under a pretty darn good system used by JT2. I know he knows how to teach it, if not then there are plenty former Hoyas that could help him. JT2 teams were built on defense and toughness. Others have mentioned that coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Shaka Smart use it now with success. Just an ironic note on lightning not striking twice. Just about everyone now considers Leonard Hamilton to be at least a coaching near great. Some would say great. He certainly has consistently good results in a league that, to me, is just below BE level. He was the coach when Miami went 0-18 in the BE. Miami kept him on for another 5 or more years before he departed for Florida State and the rest is history. Too bad lightning doesn't strike twice in the same situation.
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