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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 30, 2022 12:27:24 GMT -5
REALLY defend the District.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 30, 2022 12:30:22 GMT -5
Let’s go Hoyas!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 18:31:39 GMT -5
REALLY defend the District. Dan, you should hire a ghostwriter with all that ProBoards $$$. I fear you'll run out of starting remarks by the time this season is finished.  |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 31, 2022 12:36:29 GMT -5
SHU has looked pretty awful as of late without Aiken in the lineup, but as we all know too well a game against Georgetown seemingly cures all ills. Without him, expecting SHU to go a lot of 1v1 iso with Rhoden (solid) and Richmond (less so), which probably helps us out a little bit considering we're dreadful against teams that prefer to share the ball.
That being said, I have no idea how we keep them off the boards. Watched SHU-Marquette in person and the Pirates manhandled them on the glass; were it not for 23-24 TOs and a brutal end-game foul on Aiken (on a play he was concussed, no less) they would have easily won. Obiagu/Yetna/Samuel are a physical bunch and I have little hope our bigs will be able to play them even on the boards and limit second chance opportunities. Much like UConn, they're also an excellent defensive team that has multiple guys that can alter shots at the rim. Doesn't bode well for a team like us that can't hit inside the arc at an efficient clip on most nights. Hoping at least one of the bigs can give us passable minutes but that hasn't been even close to happening the last few weeks. If we're forced to play catch-up again with a small lineup, we better be prepared to shoot some ungodly percentage to win.
No one is really shooting the ball well this year for SHU, but historically when we've ignored Cale he has burned us from deep. Him and Jamir Harris (streaky as hell) would be the guys to focus on for closeouts (assuming film study is actually happening).
Again, as always: turnovers and transition defense. How much do we care to take care of the ball and how much do we care about getting back and preventing easy layups/dunks. Very little progress has been made (especially on the latter), so can't say I'm expecting anything different tomorrow night. But putting in some level of sustained effort to prevent fast break points from swaying too far in their favor might give us a chance if they have a cold shooting night like Butler did the other day.
We should press early and often (especially if Aiken is out). But that's going to require a staff that understands our own strengths/weaknesses and is willing to force the opponent to prove they can overcome our strength / their weakness before they decide to change strategy. Don't have that at the moment.
Winnable game, but Hoyas need to start doing most of the little things right instead of nearly none to get it done. Judging from what we've seen for 2.5 months now, don't have much faith in that happening.
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 31, 2022 13:53:03 GMT -5
The Hoyas have got to start each half not falling behind big. Out of all the things, that has hurt us the most (having to play catch up from a big deficit).
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 31, 2022 13:56:08 GMT -5
“They’re a team that is very good but right now they’re struggling just like us. Right now they just have a little bit more wins than us.” “They’re struggling, we’re struggling,” Ewing said. “We need to get out and get on the right track. Other than the Connecticut game, we’ve been in the games where we’ve had opportunities to win. We just can’t make the mistakes that we’ve made in those games to not be able to come away with a win.” “What matters at the end of the night is that you see the W, but we are very close,” Ewing said. www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/01/georgetowns-patrick-ewing-on-seton-hall-i-dont-know-if-theyre-desperate-but-i-know-we-are.html |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 31, 2022 14:01:22 GMT -5
The Hoyas have got to start each half not falling behind big. Out of all the things, that has hurt us the most (having to play catch up from a big deficit). If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? |
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 31, 2022 14:26:54 GMT -5
The Hoyas have got to start each half not falling behind big. Out of all the things, that has hurt us the most (having to play catch up from a big deficit). If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 31, 2022 14:47:21 GMT -5
If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. There’s a small part of me that thinks you’re actually Patrick Ewing. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 31, 2022 14:56:54 GMT -5
Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. There’s a small part of me that thinks you’re actually Patrick Ewing. Na he doesn’t blame the players enough to be Ewing, if I was a player who gets thrown under the bus at some of these press conferences I would be so furious and ready to walk out because as a coach he assembled the roster and if he can’t make any kind of coherent plan or adjustments to accommodate any issues then you’re just not a good coach Edit: for the record I’ve been rooting for Ewing to succeed and enough to make myself look foolish at times and I don’t regret it but now the time might be coming to fold |
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Jan 31, 2022 15:51:44 GMT -5
The Hoyas have got to start each half not falling behind big. Out of all the things, that has hurt us the most (having to play catch up from a big deficit). If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? A long time ago. |
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Post by bills on Jan 31, 2022 16:58:58 GMT -5
I don’t see Ewings comments throwing anybody under the bus or blaming the players. Everything was “we”, the team and the coaching staff. Mistakes made at the ends of those games cost us the chance to win. The coaching staff needs to help the team understand the mistakes that were made and coach them on what better choices would have been. The players need to learn from those mistakes and I think they have done a good job of that. They played well enough against ranked teams to have a chance to win instead of being blown out as they were in the first conference games. IMO they will continue to improve and learn how to close out games at this level and have some wins.
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Post by gunny on Jan 31, 2022 18:52:33 GMT -5
If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. Can you tell me who the high schoolers are? You referred to this several times in your post. It is very degrading. These are all college kids. Tell me who the high schoolers are? If you can't then you are no better than the people that you so often complain about. |
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jan 31, 2022 21:08:17 GMT -5
If this same thing keeps happening over and over and over again, at what point do you, personally, start to attribute this to coaching? Or is it all on the players (as Ewing would lead us all to believe)? Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. So no comment on my response in the other thread, about how you’re insulting our players by referring to them as high schoolers? |
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Post by gunny on Jan 31, 2022 22:53:31 GMT -5
Well I happen to think that we don't have a very good team for one. As I stated before, we were picked to finish at the bottom and I totally agree with that assessment. I said this waaaaaaay before the season started. Did you see the post that I posted with the number of games our starting five have played? Compared to Marquette, who was supposed to be the team that we were compared to in terms of youth but it turns out that was a damn lie because they have a full 120 more games than we do which is equivalent to 4 years (120 games divided by 30 games a year), we are light years away from being an experience team. The bottom line is you win with experience in college basketball. The other night coach had to give his starters a rest in the first half. He did so by substituting all high schoolers and it was a disaster. We immediately lost the lead, lost the momentum and couldn't get it back. We trailed for the rest of the game. The guys fought back hard in the second half and at the end of the game tried their best to try to tie the game to no avail because they were worn out and had no legs. However you have to give your starters a rest (in games) or you will run them ragged and wear them out by the end of the season. So to my eyes, it looks like our high schoolers are not able to give a good sustain effort right now. They will in due time but for now, they just can't get it done. My advice to Ewing is to keep the starters on the floor as long as he can because they give us the best chance at winning. I also believe, at the end of the game, you have to have Big Tim in the game to stop the other team from getting easy basket in the paint. I would not mass substitute the starters for the high schoolers. That is just a disaster. Instead, I would keep at least four starters on the floor at all time and give them all (one guy at a time) a big rest late in the second half. We have to do something about getting Rice a better look at the basket where he's not off balance when he's shooting. I think we need to get him more set shot threes instead. So no comment on my response in the other thread, about how you’re insulting our players by referring to them as high schoolers? I want to know the names of the "high schoolers" on the team? |
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 1, 2022 8:50:56 GMT -5
Attend the District! (See what I did there, Dan?)  An 8:30 Tuesday game on a freezing night to see Seton Hall as 7 point favorites over our, uh, "struggling" Hoyas is gonna present real challenges, attendance and otherwise (and I'm guessing the student attendance won't be much, rather understandably). That low (announced) attendance record of 4100 and change against Butler a few weeks ago will be threatened for sure (yeah, there were 4100 people there -- that's the ticket. Yeah, 4100 in the building....) Soooo it is incumbent upon the rest of us who are local to do our part and come out! I'm betting announced attendance may well eke above 4K, but let's get something close to that ACTUALLY in the building...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 1, 2022 9:27:56 GMT -5
Defense was much better against Butler. I hope to see continued improvement in that department.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 1, 2022 9:52:48 GMT -5
Attend the District! (See what I did there, Dan?) An 8:30 Tuesday game on a freezing night to see Seton Hall as 7 point favorites over our, uh, "struggling" Hoyas is gonna present real challenges, attendance and otherwise (and I'm guessing the student attendance won't be much, rather understandably). That low (announced) attendance record of 4100 and change against Butler a few weeks ago will be threatened for sure (yeah, there were 4100 people there -- that's the ticket. Yeah, 4100 in the building....) Soooo it is incumbent upon the rest of us who are local to do our part and come out! I'm betting announced attendance may well eke above 4K, but let's get something close to that ACTUALLY in the building... I'll be there - call me a masochist!😁 |
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 1, 2022 10:08:17 GMT -5
Defense was much better against Butler. I hope to see continued improvement in that department. No, the defense was horrendous against Butler but their offense was just as bad. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 1, 2022 10:12:06 GMT -5
That is just false. While our defense was far from perfect, it showed drastic improvement from prior games. The core group of starters played solid D. We held Butler scoreless for a critical stretch in the second half. Things got shaky when second string came in, but they did not stay in for long. Still, we gave up fifty-six points for the game. It is hard to call that terrible defense.
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An 8:30 Tuesday game on a freezing night to see Seton Hall as 7 point favorites over our, uh, "struggling" Hoyas is gonna present real challenges, attendance and otherwise (and I'm guessing the student attendance won't be much, rather understandably). That low (announced) attendance record of 4100 and change against Butler a few weeks ago will be threatened for sure (yeah, there were 4100 people there -- that's the ticket. Yeah, 4100 in the building....) Soooo it is incumbent upon the rest of us who are local to do our part and come out! I'm betting announced attendance may well eke above 4K, but let's get something close to that ACTUALLY in the building... 