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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 28, 2021 12:29:58 GMT -5
Hope that you are okay.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 28, 2021 14:34:25 GMT -5
I couldn't get a PCR test to confirm it, but I'm really confident that I caught Omicron at the Syracuse game. Wouldn't shock me if a whole lot of people did. I had gotten my booster 10 days before and was wearing what I thought was a really good mask, but it wasn't enough. So whenever we get restarted, just be careful if you're going back to the arena. This thing is contagious as hell. Was at the game too but have been fine. Just luck of the draw I guess.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 28, 2021 15:34:29 GMT -5
Thanks for linking this, Dan. I think the Big East may have to go away from the "3 games/week max, with no consecutive weeks of 3 games/week" rule - for a team like Georgetown, which has already canceled 4 games, it's going to be pretty much impossible to play a full 20-game schedule given that rule, specifically. I like that the league is calling the shots, not individual programs. Also like that the league expects some games to be played on campus, rather than at off campus arenas (I expect that if St. John's and Xavier get rescheduled, those games will be played at McDonough). I also think that this nugget is really interesting: "The pecking order for rescheduling is chronological. “They’re going to reschedule games in the order of cancellation, so we’re up first with St. John’s,” Felt said. “We should be informed about that pretty soon.” The likelihood of Seton Hall making up St. John’s at home and DePaul on the road, Felt said, “is good.” Beyond that, all bets are off." With Georgetown having proactively canceled 4 games very early in the process, it should be near the front of the line for the Big East to reschedule its games. So, we should have new days/times for @providence, @creighton, vs. St. John's and vs. Xavier relatively soon. Finally, my personal prediction is that the Xavier game on 1/4 gets played as originally scheduled. It's ridiculous it got canceled 8 days in advance of the game. Given the new CDC guidelines and expected new NFL protocols, there shouldn't be ANY cancellation more than 5 days in advance.
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Post by guru on Dec 28, 2021 15:48:22 GMT -5
Thanks for linking this, Dan. I think the Big East may have to go away from the "3 games/week max, with no consecutive weeks of 3 games/week" rule - for a team like Georgetown, which has already canceled 4 games, it's going to be pretty much impossible to play a full 20-game schedule given that rule, specifically. I like that the league is calling the shots, not individual programs. Also like that the league expects some games to be played on campus, rather than at off campus arenas (I expect that if St. John's and Xavier get rescheduled, those games will be played at McDonough). I also think that this nugget is really interesting: "The pecking order for rescheduling is chronological. “They’re going to reschedule games in the order of cancellation, so we’re up first with St. John’s,” Felt said. “We should be informed about that pretty soon.” The likelihood of Seton Hall making up St. John’s at home and DePaul on the road, Felt said, “is good.” Beyond that, all bets are off." With Georgetown having proactively canceled 4 games very early in the process, it should be near the front of the line for the Big East to reschedule its games. So, we should have new days/times for @providence, @creighton, vs. St. John's and vs. Xavier relatively soon. Finally, my personal prediction is that the Xavier game on 1/4 gets played as originally scheduled. It's ridiculous it got canceled 8 days in advance of the game. Given the new CDC guidelines and expected new NFL protocols, there shouldn't be ANY cancellation more than 5 days in advance. No one cares what you think. Just a reminder
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 28, 2021 20:55:13 GMT -5
The no consecutive weeks with three games thing is going to make it next to impossible to reschedule all the games we have missed. I understand the guys play really hard when they are out there, but we don't blink twice in having them play multiple games on consecutive days during the BET. I realize that's the end of the season, but the NCAA tournament is the following week, so it's not like the better teams don't have future commitments.
These are 18-23 year olds, they can play three games a week.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 28, 2021 21:45:28 GMT -5
The no consecutive weeks with three games thing is going to make it next to impossible to reschedule all the games we have missed. I understand the guys play really hard when they are out there, but we don't blink twice in having them play multiple games on consecutive days during the BET. I realize that's the end of the season, but the NCAA tournament is the following week, so it's not like the better teams don't have future commitments. These are 18-23 year olds, they can play three games a week. I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 28, 2021 22:05:24 GMT -5
The no consecutive weeks with three games thing is going to make it next to impossible to reschedule all the games we have missed. I understand the guys play really hard when they are out there, but we don't blink twice in having them play multiple games on consecutive days during the BET. I realize that's the end of the season, but the NCAA tournament is the following week, so it's not like the better teams don't have future commitments. These are 18-23 year olds, they can play three games a week. I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult. It is not comparable but yeah when I had that in high school for just two weeks I fell behind despite my efforts and slept in class eventually just skipping school after an away game that ran until 11 pm and it is not like we had to fly anywhere or anything like they do. Wouldn't shock me though if they change that as the 18-23 year olds gotta get their schools that cash$$$ and could see some rescheduling ending up at McD which would be cool for students
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Post by tashoya on Dec 29, 2021 0:03:25 GMT -5
I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult. It is not comparable but yeah when I had that in high school for just two weeks I fell behind despite my efforts and slept in class eventually just skipping school after an away game that ran until 11 pm and it is not like we had to fly anywhere or anything like they do. Wouldn't shock me though if they change that as the 18-23 year olds gotta get their schools that cash$$$ and could see some rescheduling ending up at McD which would be cool for students Exactly. If all games were local, that'd be a different animal but still fairly brutal. It's tough enough with a regular schedule to expect scholarship athletes to get their assignments done as well as they can. To miss that much class time and spend that much time away isn't realistic. Having said that, it's no secret that they generate revenue. I guess we're going to have very stark examples of what the actual priorities of the respective schools are. And, maybe, that'll end up being a good thing in the long run.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 29, 2021 9:57:11 GMT -5
The no consecutive weeks with three games thing is going to make it next to impossible to reschedule all the games we have missed. I understand the guys play really hard when they are out there, but we don't blink twice in having them play multiple games on consecutive days during the BET. I realize that's the end of the season, but the NCAA tournament is the following week, so it's not like the better teams don't have future commitments. These are 18-23 year olds, they can play three games a week. I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult. True TAS but Howard has delayed restarting and schools could be looking at some virtual stuff in early January which would make this more palatable. Tough all around. These numbers aren't going to change either as public behavior in light of this surge is pretty poor. In MoCo where masking is mandated indoors, you are pretty good. In Indiana where I was for Christmas, ummmmmmm, it's dicey. Maybe 30% of people out in large public venues are masked as governors in states like that won't mandate anything for fear of political fallout. Those also are the areas with subpar vax rates. We've got a ways to go.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 29, 2021 10:58:47 GMT -5
I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult. True TAS but Howard has delayed restarting and schools could be looking at some virtual stuff in early January which would make this more palatable. Tough all around. These numbers aren't going to change either as public behavior in light of this surge is pretty poor. In MoCo where masking is mandated indoors, you are pretty good. In Indiana where I was for Christmas, ummmmmmm, it's dicey. Maybe 30% of people out in large public venues are masked as governors in states like that won't mandate anything for fear of political fallout. Those also are the areas with subpar vax rates. We've got a ways to go. Should be interesting what happens with the BCS Championship game in Indianapolis next week. As of now the fanfest at the convention center and the concerts are still on.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 29, 2021 13:27:48 GMT -5
I understand your point and I agree with it from a basketball standpoint. That said, consecutive weeks with 3 games has to make taking care of their classroom business exceedingly difficult. True TAS but Howard has delayed restarting and schools could be looking at some virtual stuff in early January which would make this more palatable. Tough all around. These numbers aren't going to change either as public behavior in light of this surge is pretty poor. In MoCo where masking is mandated indoors, you are pretty good. In Indiana where I was for Christmas, ummmmmmm, it's dicey. Maybe 30% of people out in large public venues are masked as governors in states like that won't mandate anything for fear of political fallout. Those also are the areas with subpar vax rates. We've got a ways to go. Good point. Who knows if Georgetown will go remote for next semester. If so, the balance probably does become easier. No doubt, playing 3 games a week is a lot for our guys and taxing academically. But, to some extent, our guys are already used to that type of schedule, even when they do not play games they are still practicing/training for much of the week anyway, and no doubt our guys want to play the games. We are really talking about a pretty short period though, if you think about it. It's basically January (part of which has already been cancelled, and part of which has no classes) February, and the first week of March. Then it goes into normal postseason. And the semester doesn't end until May. So, I get that it's really tough on the kids, but I think it's navigable. I would even go so far as to advocate for a double-header of sorts on consecutive weekend days, if it was feasible (which might be easier from a academic standpoint). But, that's probably even less likely than the three games a week!
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Post by prhoya on Dec 29, 2021 13:33:56 GMT -5
Play the next home games up to and including the Villanova game at McD. Let’s use the McD Dome against them.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 13:44:12 GMT -5
True TAS but Howard has delayed restarting and schools could be looking at some virtual stuff in early January which would make this more palatable. Tough all around. These numbers aren't going to change either as public behavior in light of this surge is pretty poor. In MoCo where masking is mandated indoors, you are pretty good. In Indiana where I was for Christmas, ummmmmmm, it's dicey. Maybe 30% of people out in large public venues are masked as governors in states like that won't mandate anything for fear of political fallout. Those also are the areas with subpar vax rates. We've got a ways to go. Good point. Who knows if Georgetown will go remote for next semester. If so, the balance probably does become easier. No doubt, playing 3 games a week is a lot for our guys and taxing academically. But, to some extent, our guys are already used to that type of schedule, even when they do not play games they are still practicing/training for much of the week anyway, and no doubt our guys want to play the games. We are really talking about a pretty short period though, if you think about it. It's basically January (part of which has already been cancelled, and part of which has no classes) February, and the first week of March. Then it goes into normal postseason. And the semester doesn't end until May. So, I get that it's really tough on the kids, but I think it's navigable. I would even go so far as to advocate for a double-header of sorts on consecutive weekend days, if it was feasible (which might be easier from a academic standpoint). But, that's probably even less likely than the three games a week! A doubleheader on the weekend or 2 games in 3 days (Th/Fr/Sat/Sun) like the Pac-12 does would seem to be a very easy solution that allows for teams to play consecutive weeks of 3 games/week, if necessary. Let's be honest, how many of the Georgetown scholarship basketball players have classes on Fridays? I'd be willing to wager the answer to that is 2 or less.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 29, 2021 13:47:43 GMT -5
Play the next home games up to and including the Villanova game at McD. Let’s use the McD Dome against them. Monumental Sports has something to say about that. It's reported to be a very tight contract, which is one reason so few games (excepting 2020-21) are not played there. Given the amount of rent they lost in 2020-21 from Georgetown, they would probably like to have it back, regardless how many people show up.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 29, 2021 14:12:06 GMT -5
When the dust settles I think most of us on this Board are happy with the cancellations. Face it, with Harris nursing a sprained ankle, no Iggy, and a shaky Beard we probably lose the Provy and Creighton games. Assuming we don't play until Jan 7th that should give Harris plenty of time to heal, fewer games without Iggy (assuming we makeup these games later in January or February)and more practice time for Beard. I miss watching them play and I really miss going to the St. John's game but this all may work out for the best.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 14:21:32 GMT -5
It is not comparable but yeah when I had that in high school for just two weeks I fell behind despite my efforts and slept in class eventually just skipping school after an away game that ran until 11 pm and it is not like we had to fly anywhere or anything like they do. Wouldn't shock me though if they change that as the 18-23 year olds gotta get their schools that cash$$$ and could see some rescheduling ending up at McD which would be cool for students Exactly. If all games were local, that'd be a different animal but still fairly brutal. It's tough enough with a regular schedule to expect scholarship athletes to get their assignments done as well as they can. To miss that much class time and spend that much time away isn't realistic. Having said that, it's no secret that they generate revenue. I guess we're going to have very stark examples of what the actual priorities of the respective schools are. And, maybe, that'll end up being a good thing in the long run. Has nothing to do with "what the actual priorities of the respective schools are". The conference is in charge of rescheduling, not the individual schools. And let's be honest, it's not like the Big East is littered with outstanding academic schools. Basketball is a way for these institutions to make money and the conference/Fox will be driving the bus on what gets rescheduled, not the pie-in-the-sky academic view of any individual schools.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 14:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 14:32:18 GMT -5
When the dust settles I think most of us on this Board are happy with the cancellations. Face it, with Harris nursing a sprained ankle, no Iggy, and a shaky Beard we probably lose the Provy and Creighton games. Assuming we don't play until Jan 7th that should give Harris plenty of time to heal, fewer games without Iggy (assuming we makeup these games later in January or February)and more practice time for Beard. I miss watching them play and I really miss going to the St. John's game but this all may work out for the best. Yes, it's pretty obvious that Ewing is taking advantage of the situation and looking to postpone/cancel as many near-term games as possible.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -5
True TAS but Howard has delayed restarting and schools could be looking at some virtual stuff in early January which would make this more palatable. Tough all around. These numbers aren't going to change either as public behavior in light of this surge is pretty poor. In MoCo where masking is mandated indoors, you are pretty good. In Indiana where I was for Christmas, ummmmmmm, it's dicey. Maybe 30% of people out in large public venues are masked as governors in states like that won't mandate anything for fear of political fallout. Those also are the areas with subpar vax rates. We've got a ways to go. Good point. Who knows if Georgetown will go remote for next semester. If so, the balance probably does become easier. No doubt, playing 3 games a week is a lot for our guys and taxing academically. But, to some extent, our guys are already used to that type of schedule, even when they do not play games they are still practicing/training for much of the week anyway, and no doubt our guys want to play the games. We are really talking about a pretty short period though, if you think about it. It's basically January (part of which has already been cancelled, and part of which has no classes) February, and the first week of March. Then it goes into normal postseason. And the semester doesn't end until May. So, I get that it's really tough on the kids, but I think it's navigable. I would even go so far as to advocate for a double-header of sorts on consecutive weekend days, if it was feasible (which might be easier from a academic standpoint). But, that's probably even less likely than the three games a week! Georgetown won't go remote next semester - it needs the room/board money of people being on campus and there's a huge difference between vaccinated college kids being COVID-positive and actually sick.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 29, 2021 14:41:55 GMT -5
Interesting nugget in Big Ten's revised policy as of yesterday: "The number of competitors available – i.e. seven scholarship student-athletes for women’s and men’s basketball – and the availability of at least one countable coach will be factored into the decision-making process. A team that is below the number may still decide to compete if deemed safe by appropriate medical personnel (i.e. the decision to postpone a competition will not be automatic even if a team is below the number)." bigten.org/news/2021/12/28/general-statement-on-the-2021-22-big-ten-conference-covid-19-forfeiture-policy.aspx
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