justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Dec 14, 2021 13:42:34 GMT -5
he will be needed in BE play.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2021 20:49:56 GMT -5
he will be needed in BE play. True, and he will be needed to contribute somehow beyond what he has.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 14, 2021 21:52:17 GMT -5
Agree that he'll be needed. But, for me, I haven't seen what some others have seen in him so far. I'm hoping the majority is correct and that I'm wrong. That's nearly certainly more likely than not.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 18, 2022 14:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 19, 2022 12:12:35 GMT -5
JBill has a role to fill, was probably asked to do more than he was ready for as a freshman. Seems like a guy who will work hard to improve, hopefully his role next year will fit his abilities.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 19, 2022 12:39:12 GMT -5
We were just not mature enough to compete in the Big East. The other teams seemed to have retained a lot of their players because of COVID.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 19, 2022 13:14:58 GMT -5
We were just not mature enough to compete in the Big East. The other teams seemed to have retained a lot of their players because of COVID. MGS please don't use the youth and inexperience excuse. The board loses their collective minds with the thought of someone giving Ewing any excuse. Not saying that's what you were doing.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 19, 2022 14:29:17 GMT -5
We were just not mature enough to compete in the Big East. The other teams seemed to have retained a lot of their players because of COVID. MGS please don't use the youth and inexperience excuse. The board loses their collective minds with the thought of someone giving Ewing any excuse. Not saying that's what you were doing. The issue isn’t claiming inexperience, it’s claiming that inexperience is why we were 0-20. Inexperience, plus poor roster construction plus poor game prep and in-game coaching leads to a terrible, no good basketball season. All of these are a result of guess who, the head coach! Marquette and Creighton are examples of how good coaches can turn young teams with players who haven’t played together a lot into a success story. Given the exact same roster, I don’t think Ewing could’ve done the same with either team.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 19, 2022 14:54:51 GMT -5
MGS please don't use the youth and inexperience excuse. The board loses their collective minds with the thought of someone giving Ewing any excuse. Not saying that's what you were doing. The issue isn’t claiming inexperience, it’s claiming that inexperience is why we were 0-20. Inexperience, plus poor roster construction plus poor game prep and in-game coaching leads to a terrible, no good basketball season. All of these are a result of guess who, the head coach! Marquette and Creighton are examples of how good coaches can turn young teams with players who haven’t played together a lot into a success story. Given the exact same roster, I don’t think Ewing could’ve done the same with either team. So what's our record if either of those coaches is in Ewing's spot? I don't think it's much different because the difference is PG. Smart struck gold with Kolek(sp?) and Nembhard is a true 4* PG. I love DH but he struggled early with his shot and he rarely creates for others. Ewing isn't a tactician but he also isn't as bad as most make him out to be.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 19, 2022 15:07:43 GMT -5
MGS please don't use the youth and inexperience excuse. The board loses their collective minds with the thought of someone giving Ewing any excuse. Not saying that's what you were doing. The issue isn’t claiming inexperience, it’s claiming that inexperience is why we were 0-20. Inexperience, plus poor roster construction plus poor game prep and in-game coaching leads to a terrible, no good basketball season. All of these are a result of guess who, the head coach! Marquette and Creighton are examples of how good coaches can turn young teams with players who haven’t played together a lot into a success story. Given the exact same roster, I don’t think Ewing could’ve done the same with either team. No, no, no! Believe me, I am torn to tatters over Coach Ewing. And I have been a huge supporter, you guys know that. However, I am quite fine with us moving on from the Ewing era. My comments wasn't even taking Ewing into consideration. With any coach, given what we have now, how we allowed our team to be comprised of overwhelmingly freshmen, I would be saying the same thing. We must have veteran players. 3rd, 4th, and 5th year players. There is one player--I think he is from Marquette or Seton Hall who has been playing since 2017.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 19, 2022 16:03:58 GMT -5
The issue isn’t claiming inexperience, it’s claiming that inexperience is why we were 0-20. Inexperience, plus poor roster construction plus poor game prep and in-game coaching leads to a terrible, no good basketball season. All of these are a result of guess who, the head coach! Marquette and Creighton are examples of how good coaches can turn young teams with players who haven’t played together a lot into a success story. Given the exact same roster, I don’t think Ewing could’ve done the same with either team. So what's our record if either of those coaches is in Ewing's spot? I don't think it's much different because the difference is PG. Smart struck gold with Kolek(sp?) and Nembhard is a true 4* PG. I love DH but he struggled early with his shot and he rarely creates for others. Ewing isn't a tactician but he also isn't as bad as most make him out to be. I think a better coach with a defined system lets Harris know that his job as the PG is to create for others as priority number 1, before looking for his own shot. He probably gets a guy like Aminu to pick his spots a bit better too. Hawkins has more size and rebounds the ball better than Rice, but Creighton does a much better job of creating open looks for him in their regular sets than what Ewing draws up so offensively he's more effective in their system. That's not even to say Creighton is a world beater and McDermott is Coach of the Year. Youth on his team this year led to a lot of turnovers, all of their guards outside of O'Connell are freshmen, but they still founds ways to win. He's been able to maximize the talent on that team and they're in a close one with Kansas which I'm sure no on expected them to be in. I think we're 8-2 going in to the BE season without the Dartmouth and St. Joes losses, and maybe in the 6-8 win range in the BE. We almost certainly would have had a losing BE record, but we might've finish around .500 for the season. 6-24 is simply abysmal.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Mar 19, 2022 16:25:56 GMT -5
Seton Hall 6, Providence 7, Xavior 5, UConn 4, Vilanova 5, St John's 4, DePaul 5, and Butler 6! This is the number of seniors per team, starters, and or bench players we faced in BE play. Experience matters, especially at the end of close games, and the Hoyas had a few close games this year! Creighton did great this year with a young team but as I recall got their ass handed to them last year in the BE championship! The first game against Marquette was the first game after COVID break and our first BE game, I think we played eight guys that night no Carey (Team Capt) no Tim no Mutombo. I could go on with excuses but the facts have been mentioned above, GU had only two seniors where there should've had three in a building year. Transfers will come and go this is the new state of affairs in college basketball, the staff needs to win in the offseason!!! Sorry Jalin fans, this really should've been in another part of the thread!
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Post by seaweed on Mar 30, 2022 19:36:23 GMT -5
He's in the portal. Tough one.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:02:25 GMT -5
He's in the portal. Tough one. I very rarely like to see any Hoyas leave and that's true in this case. I never saw what others saw in him but I'm probably in the wrong. It's difficult, if not impossible, to fault a guy for looking for a greener pasture after the year they had. I wish Jalin nothing but the best wherever he goes and I hope that he has a lot of success.
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:04:38 GMT -5
He's in the portal. Tough one. I very rarely like to see any Hoyas leave and that's true in this case. I never saw what others saw in him but I'm probably in the wrong. It's difficult, if not impossible, to fault a guy for looking for a greener pasture after the year they had. I wish Jalin nothing but the best wherever he goes and I hope that he has a lot of success. Figured he was gone as soon as Ewing called him out in a post-game press conference. Would you play for a coach who did that to you? Totally uncalled for and unprofessional.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:06:32 GMT -5
I very rarely like to see any Hoyas leave and that's true in this case. I never saw what others saw in him but I'm probably in the wrong. It's difficult, if not impossible, to fault a guy for looking for a greener pasture after the year they had. I wish Jalin nothing but the best wherever he goes and I hope that he has a lot of success. Figured he was gone as soon as Ewing called him out in a post-game press conference. Would you play for a coach who did that to you? Totally uncalled for and unprofessional. As for the first question, it would depend on how I played. As for the last part, I agree completely. There's never a need to call a guy out in public. You handle that stuff in the locker room, behind closed doors. The team should hold each player accountable. The coach should be there to reinforce that not to voice it publicly. Reaching a bit, if Patrick hoped for that result in airing him out in public, I like that even less. Not saying that's the case, but it did occur to me when reading your post.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 30, 2022 21:06:33 GMT -5
That’s 2
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:10:25 GMT -5
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 30, 2022 21:12:12 GMT -5
No then it's 3...you guys need to catch up today's news!
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