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Post by EasyEd on Dec 15, 2021 21:36:15 GMT -5
Agreed. And his shot looks flat. No arc. Maybe the leg cramps are to blame. Shooting 25.8% from three against the easy part of the schedule. You do realize he has been playing hurt?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2021 21:38:48 GMT -5
I think there were some really hopeful things about tonight, even adjusting for Howard, who is not as bad as normal but is still not a great team: - Great to see Beard step with some shooting. We've been limping along with 1-2 shooters every game, and when Carey or Rice has struggled, we've predictably looked terrible. You can't not have spacing, and it looked like with Rice out we were going to be in trouble there. Beard stepped up and hit shots, which is what we needed. His downsides today were mostly freshmen mistakes -- bad decisions, completely missed rotations, so I'm hopeful he can be a very efficient player.
- Howard ain't an inside juggernaut, so that's the caveat, but our bigs played well both on offense and defense. Good O rebounding, some dribble drive from Holloway, and lots of effective drive and dish for dunks. More importantly, though, it feels like they are coming along defensively much better. I don't expect them to play this well against better comp, but compared to early season, they are holding their own in the paint and not getting roasted on the outside
- Which is the other big thing -- this is now a couple games in a row where it feels like we aren't systematically overhelping? Yes, we still lose guys sometimes, but it's not the repeated fall into the lane and let them kill us from outside. This relies on the bigs (above) actually defending one on one down low, but in prior years, even when we could do that ... we didn't. So many unnecessary or ill-advised helps and it seems it is going away.
Concerns: - It's really a shame to lose Riley. He's struggled, but as we've seen with Holloway and Beard, progression can come quick for younger players, and Riley has a ton of potential. Hope the surgery goes well, and I'm sure he's more bummed than I am, but it's a hit to our depth and potential.
- We still only have really have three things that create shots reliably: drives by Harris; Aminu post ups / drives; Rice quick shots. That last one is borderline "creation" and reliability. Oh, we have some nice opportunistic drives by Holloway or now by Beard, and we'll have the offense create an open three once in a while, but everything stagnates when Harris or Mohammed is not on the court and preferably clicking. There's no post game. Very few guys can take anyone one on one. Perhaps some of our other players will get a little better with pnr work. We are thin in terms of shot creation.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2021 21:40:10 GMT -5
Shooting 25.8% from three against the easy part of the schedule. You do realize he has been playing hurt? He doesn't care. He harbors a weird-ass grudge.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 15, 2021 21:43:55 GMT -5
I think that Harris is an absolute warrior and any criticism from me is when he tries to do too much. I think that the same is true of Aminu at times. The presence of Beard should allow Harris to get more of a breather and actually settle down. Big John was a master at pulling players settling them and putting them back in. I think Ewing can do the same at the pg position even if there is a drop off in quality between Harris and any other PG.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 15, 2021 21:43:55 GMT -5
Tough game with the shorthanded lineup (3 more guys out on top of Tim) and a group of whistle happy refs that cost us 2 more, but happy with how this group was able to persevere against a gritty Howard team.
Obviously Tyler Beard's coming out party. For the first time all season, he looked comfortable with his shot and it showed. Aside from an ugly TO against pressure late, thought he fared well and for the most part played under control while making good decisions. Will need more from him if Dante's accumulating injuries persist.
Holloway continues to impress with his efficiency. The lack of athleticism rears its ugly head once in awhile, but the basketball IQ, craftiness, and improving strength are starting to far outweigh the shortcomings. Thought a late charge against him was BS; nowhere near a discard and while you could tell Blakeney's Duke influence really helped Howard in picking up the ball full court on D and the relentless pressure, there was a good amount of the flopping you'd also expect from a Duke-influenced team. That was a bad one there.
More good than bad from Wilson. You liked the efficient night from the floor and the rim protection. But he was ball-watching and hunting blocks way too much in the first half, which often caused him to be out of position and left cutters open for rim runs. Better adjustment from him in the second half in staying home, and while he did get exposed a few times by late rotation to three point shooters, he's just not built for that and it's a tough matchup for him when Howard went small. Also got stripped once when he unnecessarily brought a great pass (I think from Beard) down for a dribble before going up. He keeps the ball up while gathering and going up strong and that's an easy dunk. The next thing he needs to work on.
Surprisingly, the one guy who I really thought helped us quell the early Howard run and gave us solid minutes was Azinge. He was a pest on defense, stayed with his man and didn't give up anything easy. I thought he was a difference maker for us tonight and gave this team a shot in the arm early when the game could've gotten away from us as well as late in the game when we needed him for depth with all the foul trouble and Dante's injury. Best game so far for Beard in his career, but I think the same could be said for Azinge. Also the first time I think in 4+ years Ewing figured out the offense for defense substitution, saving Carey on D with Azinge so he'd avoid his 3rd in the 1st half. Just have to hope that becomes utilized more going forward when needed.
Really rough game for Dante. Understand he was gutting it out late with the injury, but his efficiency at the rim and decision-making in transition is well below what we need it to be. Shot continue to be off too, with really only the midrange seemingly adequate at the moment. Additionally (and again, I place this on both him and the staff), a lot of our early TOs where Howard was able to get steals in the backcourt coming off of their own misses were due to Dante not immediately going to the rebounder and demanding the outlet. That is a basic PG responsibility and Dante should know better. If Ewing and staff are not directing him to do that, that is also bad.
Tough game for Aminu as well. Chalk it up to the ups and downs of a freshman season, but clearly Howard game planned for him and succeeded. Next step in the evolution of Aminu is whether or not he can have that Jeff Green ability and willingness to dominate a game without scoring. He has the ability to impact the game in so many ways (defense, rebounding, etc.), so if he can make teams pay for doubles and focusing on him, that will make him all the more dangerous.
Good double digit win for the boys while playing extremely shorthanded. Was happy with the effort and the growth of several guys who need to become consistent contributors this year. Hoping that we get some reinforcements back for TCU on Saturday to close out the OOC schedule with some momentum.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 15, 2021 22:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 15, 2021 22:04:54 GMT -5
You do realize he has been playing hurt? He doesn't care. He harbors a weird-ass grudge. Best move is to stop engaging with the trolls. Just ignore them. Your/our attention is exactly what they want.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 15, 2021 22:12:11 GMT -5
Gutted out a victory. Career games for Tyler and Malcolm. I thought PE did a good job with the minutes distribution, although he didn’t have many options (flashback to a couple of years ago).
Congrats to Chuma on some big minutes when the game was in question.
Bummer that Jordan is out for a while. Tyler will see a minutes bump. I hope that Kobe can get back soon as well.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2021 22:27:03 GMT -5
Also, after watching an NBA game, watching college refs is so difficult. Everything is seemingly an offensive foul. Weird turnover calls. Wildly inconsistent defensive calls.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 15, 2021 22:28:57 GMT -5
Gutted out a victory. Career games for Tyler and Malcolm. I thought PE did a good job with the minutes distribution, although he didn’t have many options (flashback to a couple of years ago). Congrats to Chuma on some big minutes when the game was in question. Bummer that Jordan is out for a while. Tyler will see a minutes bump. I hope that Kobe can get back soon as well. Also, obviously 23 turnovers is way too many but I thought most of them were amid some good ball movement and working the ball for some high percentage shots.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 15, 2021 22:31:46 GMT -5
Gutted out a victory. Career games for Tyler and Malcolm. I thought PE did a good job with the minutes distribution, although he didn’t have many options (flashback to a couple of years ago). Congrats to Chuma on some big minutes when the game was in question. Bummer that Jordan is out for a while. Tyler will see a minutes bump. I hope that Kobe can get back soon as well. Also, obviously 23 turnovers is way too many but I thought most of them were amid some good ball movement and working the ball for some high percentage shots. They also came in spurts. Eight really early, then actually a decent run for much of the game, then a bunch at the end, some of which were somewhat questionable. It wasn't a good turnover game, but there were good stretches where we took far more advantage of their pressure than lost to it.
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 15, 2021 22:46:46 GMT -5
What is it with Holloways "lack of athleticism"? The kid gets it done and is a very productive college player with maybe 4 games in his career. He has shown nothing but positive things. I wish all of our "athletic"players, played within themselves and in the flow as he does. Its about production, not flash.
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 15, 2021 23:32:38 GMT -5
Quick shout out to our centers, Wilson & Mutombo. Both have had to take on a lot more responsibility since Tim went down. They have a lot more to learn, but it feels like you can see both improving and getting more comfortable out there in real time.
I know that Howard is small but 2 things I liked seeing tonight that we haven't always gotten from our centers: 1) they seemed to make a lot of blocks and alter a lot of shots -- the box score says that Wilson had 4 blocks and Mutombo 0, but it sure seemed like both had a lot more. 2) They stay big, go to the rim, and dunk whatever they can on offense. Mutombo clearly has more offensive game, but Wilson did a great job tonight finding open spots near the rim when we broke pressure and going hard at the rim. Just really liked seeing our bigs go hard to the rim. Liked seeing our guards finding him under the basket, too.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 15, 2021 23:50:33 GMT -5
What is it with Holloways "lack of athleticism"? The kid gets it done and is a very productive college player with maybe 4 games in his career. He has shown nothing but positive things. I wish all of our "athletic"players, played within themselves and in the flow as he does. Its about production, not flash. Exactly. He’s crafty and acrobatic. Very hard to stop if he gets the angle…
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Dec 16, 2021 0:09:52 GMT -5
Beard's ball placement is remarkable. It's the vision + placing the ball in the best possible spot for his teammate to make a quick offensive move.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 16, 2021 4:36:32 GMT -5
Chuma sure didn’t look like a preferred walk-fortunately. With Riley out, that might not be the last we see of him. Well done to him.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 16, 2021 5:25:12 GMT -5
And the team looked hopeless without him in (and with Aminu ailing). The big Howard run was with him on the bench. This was also true in just about every earlier game. And then they started to make a run when he got hurt -- which is why Ewing had to keep putting him back in. Beard had a nice day, but he's not really a PG. And this team struggles offensively when he's out in large part because only he and Aminu actually can create danger or force the defense to react. Eighty percent of our offense today came off the threat of reaction to Harris drives regardless of who scored. It's not to say Dante is some unstoppable force, but we don't have many guys who can force the defense to send help and that's what creates open shots. I get it: you invested in Beard stock a long time ago. I don't remember if you started dogging Dante first or trumpeted Beard first, but anyone with a brain can see your agenda, and anyone who knows basketball is just kind of embarrassed by your constant degradation of a good player for whatever personal grudge you got.
It's the new version of hoyainla's hate of McClung, and it doesn't speak well to your character. Well said SF. I called Boya out on his personal grudge against Dante about a month ago. Boya is very knowledgeable about the game but the Dante thing is personal and no matter what he does good it won't be enough.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 16, 2021 5:32:44 GMT -5
Also, after watching an NBA game, watching college refs is so difficult. Everything is seemingly an offensive foul. Weird turnover calls. Wildly inconsistent defensive calls. ^this^ If the defender falls it is a charge. It doesn't matter if the defender is moving or if the offensive player is clearly avoiding the contact by jumping to the side.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 16, 2021 7:04:20 GMT -5
this was a really good win. granted, it's howard but if you asked me before the game if we win without rice, billingsley and riley with harris and aminu shooting 7-23 I would have said we lose by 10+ easily. great contributions from beard, wilson, holloway and mutombo. you can clearly see the young guys improving these last 2 games. that said, aminu has to be smarter with the fouls and harris has to be better. harris looks completely lost offensively. he's constantly double pumping his jumpers and leaves his feet seemingly without a plan that ends with him just heaving the ball to the basket as a lob pass or a shot.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2021 7:31:45 GMT -5
ESPN boxscore claims attendance 4,154 . . . and I have a bridge to sell you. 😁
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