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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 27, 2021 16:06:07 GMT -5
The ACC is considering leaving its home in Greensboro to go to a bigger market, likely bringing its tournament with them. That would be a killer blow to the Greensboro economy and its sports history and shows the ACC abandoning its Tobacco Road roots now that football money is king. It also should serve as a reminder that the ACC now has more former big east schools in the conference than founding ACC members. They are supposedly aiming to move their head offices into either Charlotte (we should hope for this), Brooklyn, Manhattan and specifically Madison Square Garden, or Washington D.C. The ACC moving its tournament to New York would be a direct attack on the Big East and could be a damaging blow. Moving their tournament and HQ to D.C. could really damage DMV popularity and recruiting for Georgetown, making DC an ACC town instead of a Big East town.
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Post by hoyaguy on Oct 27, 2021 16:28:35 GMT -5
Interesting, I can see the reasons for all of those options but they better stay in their lane like Charolette is a growing spot like they are getting an MLS team, a lot of people I know are moving there, and it is still the same state
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Post by KenteKrazies on Oct 27, 2021 18:57:22 GMT -5
Silver lining May be ACC teams scheduling home-and-homes with us so they can use Capital One.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 27, 2021 19:04:43 GMT -5
The ACC is considering leaving its home in Greensboro to go to a bigger market, likely bringing its tournament with them. That would be a killer blow to the Greensboro economy and its sports history and shows the ACC abandoning its Tobacco Road roots now that football money is king. It also should serve as a reminder that the ACC now has more former big east schools in the conference than founding ACC members. They are supposedly aiming to move their head offices into either Charlotte (we should hope for this), Brooklyn, Manhattan and specifically Madison Square Garden, or Washington D.C. The ACC moving its tournament to New York would be a direct attack on the Big East and could be a damaging blow. Moving their tournament and HQ to D.C. could really damage DMV popularity and recruiting for Georgetown, making DC an ACC town instead of a Big East town. In the days before TV ruled sports, conference offices were usually where the commissioner lived (e.g., Dave Gavitt at Providence) or where the original office was set up. In the case of the ACC, it was both. The seven schools who left the Southern Conference met at a golf club in Greensboro and named Jim Weaver, athletic director of (soon-to-be) neighboring Wake Forest as its commissioner. The city supported the conference and the Greensboro Coliseum eventually became the go-to site for the ACC Tournament, a neutral site of sorts rather than playing at Reynolds Coliseum (NC State), the largest arena in the state. Each of its first four commissioners were ACC men: Weaver was from Wake, Bob James from Maryland, Gene Corrigan was a Duke man who was the AD at Virginia and John Swofford played quarterback at UNC and was its AD before becoming commissioner. What's changed? The new commissioner is Jim Phillips, the former AD at Northwestern, who holds no ties to that area and frankly may not want to live there. The good old boys of the ACC are now in the minority, particularly among the Big Four (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest). And what drives conference offices now is airports. It's why Dallas-Ft. Worth hosts four different conference offices (Big 12, AAC, CUSA, Southland), with non-stop travel out of DFW Airport to 265 different cities. The Greensboro airport (GSO) is home to just five non-stop destinations--not as much a priority when four of eight schools were within an hour by car and another three were within a three hour driving radius, but now the ACC sits in non-Atlantic places like Tallahassee, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and South Bend and getting to and from these campuses is not as easy with connecting service through Atlanta or Charlotte. Charlotte seems the likely destination because of the Charlotte business community, the 6th busiest airport in the US (CLT), and a more central location to the conference's southern flank. The football title game is already held there and the Coliseum (or whatever sponsor is calling it now) seats 20,200. And besides a loss of civic pride, the Greensboro Coliseum could fall off the ACC tournament rotation altogether since it's not a major media center nor the home of any single school. The ACC would likely not move to Washington DC unless there was a tax incentive to do so. Even though ESPN...um, the ACC likes the idea of New York, the tournaments there have been poorly attended and the City really doesn't care about these teams any more than if Chicago held the Big East tournament. The ACC is also learning a lesson that the fan bases were spoiled going to Greensboro every year and the idea of a plane ride to Brooklyn or Tampa or Atlanta isn't that enticing to the every-year-without-fail participant. Would the Big East have the same cachet rotating through Milwaukee and Cincinnati? In one of my earliest columns for The HOYA, I referred to the emerging Big East as a "northern ACC" given the close ties between the schools. That's gone for both leagues, but the ACC is in a different predicament--the next wave of realignment, a few years down the road, is aimed at them. When the SEC goes to 18 or 20, it's not looking at the Big 12, it's looking at schools like Clemson and FSU. When the Big 10 catches up, it's not calling Iowa State or Texas Tech if Duke and North Carolina would be available. The stability of its halcyon days in Greensboro seem to be missing with each passing year, and it's not hard to see the ACC become the next Big 12 on the FBS food chain. |
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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 27, 2021 19:31:25 GMT -5
The ACC is considering leaving its home in Greensboro to go to a bigger market, likely bringing its tournament with them. That would be a killer blow to the Greensboro economy and its sports history and shows the ACC abandoning its Tobacco Road roots now that football money is king. It also should serve as a reminder that the ACC now has more former big east schools in the conference than founding ACC members. They are supposedly aiming to move their head offices into either Charlotte (we should hope for this), Brooklyn, Manhattan and specifically Madison Square Garden, or Washington D.C. The ACC moving its tournament to New York would be a direct attack on the Big East and could be a damaging blow. Moving their tournament and HQ to D.C. could really damage DMV popularity and recruiting for Georgetown, making DC an ACC town instead of a Big East town. In the days before TV ruled sports, conference offices were usually where the commissioner lived (e.g., Dave Gavitt at Providence) or where the original office was set up. In the case of the ACC, it was both. The seven schools who left the Southern Conference met at a golf club in Greensboro and named Jim Weaver, athletic director of (soon-to-be) neighboring Wake Forest as its commissioner. The city supported the conference and the Greensboro Coliseum eventually became the go-to site for the ACC Tournament, a neutral site of sorts rather than playing at Reynolds Coliseum (NC State), the largest arena in the state. Each of its first four commissioners were ACC men: Weaver was from Wake, Bob James from Maryland, Gene Corrigan was a Duke man who was the AD at Virginia and John Swofford played quarterback at UNC and was its AD before becoming commissioner. What's changed? The new commissioner is Jim Phillips, the former AD at Northwestern, who holds no ties to that area and frankly may not want to live there. The good old boys of the ACC are now in the minority, particularly among the Big Four (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest). And what drives conference offices now is airports. It's why Dallas-Ft. Worth hosts four different conference offices (Big 12, AAC, CUSA, Southland), with non-stop travel out of DFW Airport to 265 different cities. The Greensboro airport (GSO) is home to just five non-stop destinations--not as much a priority when four of eight schools were within an hour by car and another three were within a three hour driving radius, but now the ACC sits in non-Atlantic places like Tallahassee, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and South Bend and getting to and from these campuses is not as easy with connecting service through Atlanta or Charlotte. Charlotte seems the likely destination because of the Charlotte business community, the 6th busiest airport in the US (CLT), and a more central location to the conference's southern flank. The football title game is already held there and the Coliseum (or whatever sponsor is calling it now) seats 20,200. And besides a loss of civic pride, the Greensboro Coliseum could fall off the ACC tournament rotation altogether since it's not a major media center nor the home of any single school. The ACC would likely not move to Washington DC unless there was a tax incentive to do so. Even though ESPN...um, the ACC likes the idea of New York, the tournaments there have been poorly attended and the City really doesn't care about these teams any more than if Chicago held the Big East tournament. The ACC is also learning a lesson that the fan bases were spoiled going to Greensboro every year and the idea of a plane ride to Brooklyn or Tampa or Atlanta isn't that enticing to the every-year-without-fail participant. Would the Big East have the same cachet rotating through Milwaukee and Cincinnati? In one of my earliest columns for The HOYA, I referred to the emerging Big East as a "northern ACC" given the close ties between the schools. That's gone for both leagues, but the ACC is in a different predicament--the next wave of realignment, a few years down the road, is aimed at them. When the SEC goes to 18 or 20, it's not looking at the Big 12, it's looking at schools like Clemson and FSU. When the Big 10 catches up, it's not calling Iowa State or Texas Tech if Duke and North Carolina would be available. The stability of its halcyon days in Greensboro seem to be missing with each passing year, and it's not hard to see the ACC become the next Big 12 on the FBS food chain. I think you're absolutely spot on with everything there. It's such a shame to see money ruining college sports the way it has. What ever happened to the great local conference rivalries? Now if ESPN says to expand to Miami you have conferences bidding for FIU and people calling for the Big East to add Gonzaga. You would have hoped to see the same response from college sports fans to realignment as you saw in England to the super soccer league stuff, but American culture is ok with money ruining tradition. Georgetown vs Case? gone Oklahoma vs OSU? gone Nebraska vs Colorado? gone All for what? Short term TV money. Soon enough people won't even watch anymore the way it's going. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Oct 27, 2021 19:32:36 GMT -5
The ACC had their tournament in Brooklyn in 2018, and will again this season. It will never approach the relevance of the Big East tournament in NY as long as the Big East has MSG. The ACC teams from top to bottom already do very well recruiting the DMV, maybe even doing better than ever since losing the Terps. Don't think any of this should be too impactful to Georgetown.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 27, 2021 19:43:59 GMT -5
In the days before TV ruled sports, conference offices were usually where the commissioner lived (e.g., Dave Gavitt at Providence) or where the original office was set up. In the case of the ACC, it was both. The seven schools who left the Southern Conference met at a golf club in Greensboro and named Jim Weaver, athletic director of (soon-to-be) neighboring Wake Forest as its commissioner. The city supported the conference and the Greensboro Coliseum eventually became the go-to site for the ACC Tournament, a neutral site of sorts rather than playing at Reynolds Coliseum (NC State), the largest arena in the state. Each of its first four commissioners were ACC men: Weaver was from Wake, Bob James from Maryland, Gene Corrigan was a Duke man who was the AD at Virginia and John Swofford played quarterback at UNC and was its AD before becoming commissioner. What's changed? The new commissioner is Jim Phillips, the former AD at Northwestern, who holds no ties to that area and frankly may not want to live there. The good old boys of the ACC are now in the minority, particularly among the Big Four (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest). And what drives conference offices now is airports. It's why Dallas-Ft. Worth hosts four different conference offices (Big 12, AAC, CUSA, Southland), with non-stop travel out of DFW Airport to 265 different cities. The Greensboro airport (GSO) is home to just five non-stop destinations--not as much a priority when four of eight schools were within an hour by car and another three were within a three hour driving radius, but now the ACC sits in non-Atlantic places like Tallahassee, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and South Bend and getting to and from these campuses is not as easy with connecting service through Atlanta or Charlotte. Charlotte seems the likely destination because of the Charlotte business community, the 6th busiest airport in the US (CLT), and a more central location to the conference's southern flank. The football title game is already held there and the Coliseum (or whatever sponsor is calling it now) seats 20,200. And besides a loss of civic pride, the Greensboro Coliseum could fall off the ACC tournament rotation altogether since it's not a major media center nor the home of any single school. The ACC would likely not move to Washington DC unless there was a tax incentive to do so. Even though ESPN...um, the ACC likes the idea of New York, the tournaments there have been poorly attended and the City really doesn't care about these teams any more than if Chicago held the Big East tournament. The ACC is also learning a lesson that the fan bases were spoiled going to Greensboro every year and the idea of a plane ride to Brooklyn or Tampa or Atlanta isn't that enticing to the every-year-without-fail participant. Would the Big East have the same cachet rotating through Milwaukee and Cincinnati? In one of my earliest columns for The HOYA, I referred to the emerging Big East as a "northern ACC" given the close ties between the schools. That's gone for both leagues, but the ACC is in a different predicament--the next wave of realignment, a few years down the road, is aimed at them. When the SEC goes to 18 or 20, it's not looking at the Big 12, it's looking at schools like Clemson and FSU. When the Big 10 catches up, it's not calling Iowa State or Texas Tech if Duke and North Carolina would be available. The stability of its halcyon days in Greensboro seem to be missing with each passing year, and it's not hard to see the ACC become the next Big 12 on the FBS food chain. I think you're absolutely spot on with everything there. It's such a shame to see money ruining college sports the way it has. What ever happened to the great local conference rivalries? Now if ESPN says to expand to Miami you have conferences bidding for FIU and people calling for the Big East to add Gonzaga. You would have hoped to see the same response from college sports fans to realignment as you saw in England to the super soccer league stuff, but American culture is ok with money ruining tradition. Georgetown vs Case? gone Oklahoma vs OSU? gone Nebraska vs Colorado? gone All for what? Short term TV money. Soon enough people won't even watch anymore the way it's going. Well the difference is US sports already has a closed league system. The whole structure of European Soccer is based off the Promotion/Relegation system where the bottom 3 teams in the league are "relegated" to the lower league and the top 3 teams in the 2nd division are "promoted" to the top league each season. In some ways this is a better setup because the teams in the relegation zone are fighting to stay in the top league and keep the massive TV money. This means the fans of the teams in the relegation zone are following every game. In the US Closed league system it doesn't matter if you lose because you can't get relegated. (If you could, a clown owner like Daniel Synder would have had the Redskins/WFT relegated to the 5th division league by now). In fact it's almost better off to lose/tank to get a better draft pick. The Super League that was proposed by the evil American owners (Kroenke, Glazer, Henry) and the Spanish (due to COVID related financial problems) was to get rid of the Promotion/Relegation football pyramid and install 20 teams in a closed league system based on American closed league values. This is why there was such a massive revolt by fans of even the teams that would have benefitted as the chosen 20. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 27, 2021 19:51:53 GMT -5
Well the difference is US sports already has a closed league system. The whole structure of European Soccer is based off the Promotion/Relegation system where the bottom 3 teams in the league are "relegated" to the lower league and the top 3 teams in the 2nd division are "promoted" to the top league each season. In some ways this is a better setup because the teams in the relegation zone are fighting to stay in the top league and keep the massive TV money. This means the fans of the teams in the relegation zone are following every game. In the US Closed league system it doesn't matter if you lose because you can't get relegated. (If you could, a clown owner like Daniel Synder would have had the Redskins/WFT relegated to the 5th division league by now). In fact it's almost better off to lose/tank to get a better draft pick. The Super League that was proposed by the evil American owners (Kroenke, Glazer, Henry) and the Spanish (due to COVID related financial problems) was to get rid of the Promotion/Relegation football pyramid and install 20 teams in a closed league system based on American closed league values. This is why there was such a massive revolt by fans of even the teams that would have benefitted as the chosen 20. Relegation is unlikely but not impossible, and the pieces are in place for it right now for each of the three eventual FBS survivor leagues to have their own affiliated conferences below them. For example, Cincinnati could be promoted to the Big 10 while Rutgers would be at risk of relegation. The issue is that no one wants to be that former major college opponent down in tier 3 (e.g, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Kansas). There is safety where they are. Also not to be ignored: scheduling teams that promote in or relegate out. Consider these setups: | Premier League | SEC | Big 18 | Pac 18 | | Bowl League | 1. ACC | 1. AAC | 1.Big 12 | | Playoff League | 2. Sun Belt | 2. MAC | 2. C-USA | | FCS League 1 | 3. Colonial | 3. Missouri Valley | 3. Big Sky | | FCS League 2 | 4. Southern | 4. Ohio Valley | 4. WAC |
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Post by hoyas212 on Oct 27, 2021 19:57:53 GMT -5
I think you're absolutely spot on with everything there. It's such a shame to see money ruining college sports the way it has. What ever happened to the great local conference rivalries? Now if ESPN says to expand to Miami you have conferences bidding for FIU and people calling for the Big East to add Gonzaga. You would have hoped to see the same response from college sports fans to realignment as you saw in England to the super soccer league stuff, but American culture is ok with money ruining tradition. Georgetown vs Case? gone Oklahoma vs OSU? gone Nebraska vs Colorado? gone All for what? Short term TV money. Soon enough people won't even watch anymore the way it's going. Well the difference is US sports already has a closed league system. The whole structure of European Soccer is based off the Promotion/Relegation system where the bottom 3 teams in the league are "relegated" to the lower league and the top 3 teams in the 2nd division are "promoted" to the top league each season. In some ways this is a better setup because the teams in the relegation zone are fighting to stay in the top league and keep the massive TV money. This means the fans of the teams in the relegation zone are following every game. In the US Closed league system it doesn't matter if you lose because you can't get relegated. (If you could, a clown owner like Daniel Synder would have had the Redskins/WFT relegated to the 5th division league by now). In fact it's almost better off to lose/tank to get a better draft pick. The Super League that was proposed by the evil American owners (Kroenke, Glazer, Henry) and the Spanish (due to COVID related financial problems) was to get rid of the Promotion/Relegation football pyramid and install 20 teams in a closed league system based on American closed league values. This is why there was such a massive revolt by fans of even the teams that would have benefitted as the chosen 20. Not really. The American owners' clubs still would've been in the Premier League with relegation, they'd have just been entrenched as Super League participants. Never heard of a majority of fans of a NCAA program being against moving to a conference that is intended to be an upgrade, even if they will miss certain aspects of the old conference. |
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 27, 2021 20:07:25 GMT -5
Well the difference is US sports already has a closed league system. The whole structure of European Soccer is based off the Promotion/Relegation system where the bottom 3 teams in the league are "relegated" to the lower league and the top 3 teams in the 2nd division are "promoted" to the top league each season. In some ways this is a better setup because the teams in the relegation zone are fighting to stay in the top league and keep the massive TV money. This means the fans of the teams in the relegation zone are following every game. In the US Closed league system it doesn't matter if you lose because you can't get relegated. (If you could, a clown owner like Daniel Synder would have had the Redskins/WFT relegated to the 5th division league by now). In fact it's almost better off to lose/tank to get a better draft pick. The Super League that was proposed by the evil American owners (Kroenke, Glazer, Henry) and the Spanish (due to COVID related financial problems) was to get rid of the Promotion/Relegation football pyramid and install 20 teams in a closed league system based on American closed league values. This is why there was such a massive revolt by fans of even the teams that would have benefitted as the chosen 20. Not really. The American owners' clubs still would've been in the Premier League with relegation, they'd have just been entrenched as Super League participants. Never heard of a majority of fans of a NCAA program being against moving to a conference that is intended to be an upgrade, even if they will miss certain aspects of the old conference. The premier league would have been meaningless with the closed Super League as that would be where all the TV money went Without a way to break into the the closed Super League or relegate the permanent 18 members, it would have been financially impossible for anyone to compete with them. You couldn’t just buy a team like Abu Dhabi did with Manchester City or the Saudis are now doing with Newcastle and become a major force because there are only around two spots out of the 20 that are for promotion/relegation in the Super League. The other 18 permanent members of the proposed super league (can be as inept as they want becomes they can’t get relegated). |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 27, 2021 21:21:29 GMT -5
And what drives conference offices now is airports. It's why Dallas-Ft. Worth hosts four different conference offices (Big 12, AAC, CUSA, Southland), with non-stop travel out of DFW Airport to 265 different cities. *Nods* And this is why the headquarters of the SEC, the 800 lb. gorilla of conferences, is in the Aerotropolis superhub that is...Birmingham, AL. And the PAC-12 is looking to leave international hub SFO for...Las Vegas. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 27, 2021 21:36:01 GMT -5
Don't think that the SEC won't consider going down the same path as the ACC when it comes to relocation. I could see the SEC in Atlanta someday for the same reasons. Also, as noted, a commissioner's clout can play into this. The new Pac-12 commissioner is a resident of Las Vegas. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Oct 27, 2021 21:55:06 GMT -5
And what drives conference offices now is airports. It's why Dallas-Ft. Worth hosts four different conference offices (Big 12, AAC, CUSA, Southland), with non-stop travel out of DFW Airport to 265 different cities. *Nods* And this is why the headquarters of the SEC, the 800 lb. gorilla of conferences, is in the Aerotropolis superhub that is...Birmingham, AL. And the PAC-12 is looking to leave international hub SFO for...Las Vegas.Vegas is dope, San Fran ehhhhhhhh, it’s a shame vegas didn’t want to put up the money to host World Cup games in 2026. Longer soccer related rant/answer to stuff above: But to the point about super leagues the owners would’ve gotten billions each which would have allowed them to enhance their teams ridiculously no matter how bad they are like Arsenal trying to say they belong in a super league when they were sitting 11th lmao pathetic, also the American mentality towards sports with closed systems is really quite against what a lot of the country is built on (supposedly lol) like merit when you get rewarded for hard work and effort also real shame on the Spanish for mismanaging finances so badly that they wanted to throw away what makes soccer awesome in that anyone can make it (like Leicester) which the super league would’ve killed permanently. The American owners always want to ruin it especially the premier league that is built on trying to be more fair just for money and people critique Sheik from man city (i am not a fan of the team) but at least he gives a damn and invests in his team compared to the greedy American ones like the Glazers are just sc*mbags More on topic answer: Sadly there will never be a similar system in college sports or professional ones here because of the greed and it would require people to give damn when right now you get rewarded for sucking even at the college level (like when teams suck people just leave here and stop caring when relegation provides motivation and heart to do better). I think there will be moves made like ACC (more likely to Char than Brooklyn imo) SEC to atlanta eventually and it’s just the way things are, follow the money and yea I know college fans who are turning off their TVs because of all of this nonsense and the conferences don’t care since they get their money now |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 27, 2021 22:59:33 GMT -5
I think having UCONN back in the BE really solidifies the MSG relationship for the tournament. If the ACC gets raided, it would be nice to reunite with an old friend somehow.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 28, 2021 8:12:56 GMT -5
Well the difference is US sports already has a closed league system. The whole structure of European Soccer is based off the Promotion/Relegation system where the bottom 3 teams in the league are "relegated" to the lower league and the top 3 teams in the 2nd division are "promoted" to the top league each season. In some ways this is a better setup because the teams in the relegation zone are fighting to stay in the top league and keep the massive TV money. This means the fans of the teams in the relegation zone are following every game. In the US Closed league system it doesn't matter if you lose because you can't get relegated. (If you could, a clown owner like Daniel Synder would have had the Redskins/WFT relegated to the 5th division league by now). In fact it's almost better off to lose/tank to get a better draft pick. The Super League that was proposed by the evil American owners (Kroenke, Glazer, Henry) and the Spanish (due to COVID related financial problems) was to get rid of the Promotion/Relegation football pyramid and install 20 teams in a closed league system based on American closed league values. This is why there was such a massive revolt by fans of even the teams that would have benefitted as the chosen 20. Relegation is unlikely but not impossible, and the pieces are in place for it right now for each of the three eventual FBS survivor leagues to have their own affiliated conferences below them. For example, Cincinnati could be promoted to the Big 10 while Rutgers would be at risk of relegation. The issue is that no one wants to be that former major college opponent down in tier 3 (e.g, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Kansas). There is safety where they are. Also not to be ignored: scheduling teams that promote in or relegate out. Consider these setups: | Premier League | SEC | Big 18 | Pac 18 | | Bowl League | 1. ACC | 1. AAC | 1.Big 12 | | Playoff League | 2. Sun Belt | 2. MAC | 2. C-USA | | FCS League 1 | 3. Colonial | 3. Missouri Valley | 3. Big Sky | | FCS League 2 | 4. Southern | 4. Ohio Valley | 4. WAC |
Let's face it, Rutgers won the lottery. Such a meaningless team/school and they somehow got into the big ten. I don't see relegation/promotion happening cause there hasn't been such a system in major US sports. Even the MLS is avoiding relegation/promotion because the owners don't want it. |
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Post by hoya73 on Oct 28, 2021 8:59:51 GMT -5
Not really. The American owners' clubs still would've been in the Premier League with relegation, they'd have just been entrenched as Super League participants. Never heard of a majority of fans of a NCAA program being against moving to a conference that is intended to be an upgrade, even if they will miss certain aspects of the old conference. The premier league would have been meaningless with the closed Super League as that would be where all the TV money went Without a way to break into the the closed Super League or relegate the permanent 18 members, it would have been financially impossible for anyone to compete with them. You couldn’t just buy a team like Abu Dhabi did with Manchester City or the Saudis are now doing with Newcastle and become a major force because there are only around two spots out of the 20 that are for promotion/relegation in the Super League. The other 18 permanent members of the proposed super league (can be as inept as they want becomes they can’t get relegated). Responding to: Never heard of a majority of fans of a NCAA program being against moving to a conference that is intended to be an upgrade, even if they will miss certain aspects of the old conference. I think the majority of Maryland fans still feel they should have stayed in the ACC. |
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Post by seaweed on Oct 28, 2021 9:00:31 GMT -5
The current free transfer rules make relegation impossible - any time a team got relegated, the entire roster would transfer. If they somehow worked their way back into the top league, the whole roster would just transfer back in. The academic institution would become meaningless, merely a holder of roster spots.
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Post by smokeyjack on Oct 28, 2021 12:53:35 GMT -5
Don't think that the SEC won't consider going down the same path as the ACC when it comes to relocation. I could see the SEC in Atlanta someday for the same reasons. Also, as noted, a commissioner's clout can play into this. The new Pac-12 commissioner is a resident of Las Vegas. The SEC absolutely should be in Atlanta - the largest market in the Southeast (Fla is like CA - it's own universe, so don't say non-fball towns like Miami), and a town which has no obvious league allegiances. For years it has rankled non-Bama SEC fans that Bham has been the seat of the SEC. While UGA is only 45 minutes from ATL, Atlanta is FAR more of a neutral town than Birmingham. And Atlanta hosts both the league's HOF and has hosted its annual title game since 1996 or 1997. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 28, 2021 13:30:15 GMT -5
Let's face it, Rutgers won the lottery. Such a meaningless team/school and they somehow got into the big ten. Yes, I agree, this was crazy. I know at the time part of the rationale was expanding the Big 10's footprint, but as someone who lives in New Jersey, I have seen no more attention on Rutgers than existed when it was a Big East football program. Perhaps there is some benefit at the fringes, but it is not significant. Perhaps someone has done an analysis, but I really do wonder whether a school like Rutgers actually brings value to the Big 10. I realize that the TV contracts help, and more schools equals more games, but I really question the actual value of the Big 10 adding Rutgers. Clearly, it's hugely valuable to Rutgers because of all the TV revenue, but I am skeptical it has materially helped the Big 10 itself. |
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Post by hoyaguy on Oct 28, 2021 13:56:01 GMT -5
Let's face it, Rutgers won the lottery. Such a meaningless team/school and they somehow got into the big ten. Yes, I agree, this was crazy. I know at the time part of the rationale was expanding the Big 10's footprint, but as someone who lives in New Jersey, I have seen no more attention on Rutgers than existed when it was a Big East football program. Perhaps there is some benefit at the fringes, but it is not significant. Perhaps someone has done an analysis, but I really do wonder whether a school like Rutgers actually brings value to the Big 10. I realize that the TV contracts help, and more schools equals more games, but I really question the actual value of the Big 10 adding Rutgers. Clearly, it's hugely valuable to Rutgers because of all the TV revenue, but I am skeptical it has materially helped the Big 10 itself. What is even crazier is that this “dream” has buried the athletics department in almost quarter of a billion in debt and they lied about loans from the Big 10 (and other groups) saying they were real revenues which ya know would be a crime if it was a corporation but you get special privileges when you’re in a state that doesn’t care about how high it’s taxes are in order to pay for their stuff (some tax money goes literally directly in the football program and student “activities fees” have jumped up a bunch for them and they don’t even get free tickets to the games smh) just more classic state level mismanagement and money that will likely never be repaid for chasing football |
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