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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2021 12:25:33 GMT -5
Ah the classic, deflection when you're asked for a source. Well considering that Jack DeGioia is one of the head decision makers for NIL policy, I'd assume Georgetown is pretty well set-up to take advantage of the rules without breaking them. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-governors-appoints-degioia-chair?division=d1Plus we've had players across the university sign minor deals. Anything big is going to take time. Finally, as it's been discussed, NIL deals are on the student, not the AD. Granted the AD has posted that they are including NIL coaching in the team's yearly orientation which also includes media and academic coaching. There is zero need to get hostile here. Look at the rest of this thread, plenty of schools (including BE rivals) are setting up NIL vehicles to help SAs find opportunities for NIL deals. Georgetown does not have that. And your rationale for Lee Reed being “all in” has nothing to do with Lee himself, just his boss, who works for the organization that resisted NIL forever until they couldn’t do it anymore. Not sure why you think that would mean Reed is all in on NIL then. Not getting hostile, just wondering what proof you have that Georgetown is shying away from NIL? There are plenty of articles out there supporting what I'm saying but I haven't seen anything supporing what you are saying. I'm also referring to the Athletic Department when I say AD, not Lee Reed himself...I'd hope Lee has more important things to do then focus on NIL deals. As far as more steps that Georgetown is doing to be at the forefront of NIL, we have two members of the BE NIL Working group, including the only student-athlete: guhoyas.com/news/2020/11/6/malcolm-wilson-announced-as-part-of-big-east-nil-working-group-dan-trump-also-added.aspxKeep in mind that NIL deals aren't limited to basketball, here is a variety of athletes across the University that have signed deals with Barstool Sports (granted not the best deal out there so far): www.casualhoya.com/2021/7/14/22576919/nil-several-georgetown-hoyas-athletes-barstool-athletics-crew-track-softball-footballEveryone is still figuring out how NILs will work and I'm glad we're doing it in a measured way with lots of thought. Rather then partnering with FedEx and breaking the rule already to offer a student a deal to come to Memphis. I just think its disingenuous to say a GU Blog is doing the heavy lifting or that the AD is dragging their feet.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 17, 2021 12:33:46 GMT -5
Indeed, unless someone has been in meetings with our athletic department where they’ve indicated they are content to not develop NIL opportunities at GU I don’t understand the automatic pessimism. You say you want their practices to improve, yet if you criticize them at every turn and never actually give them the benefit of the doubt and opportunity to show the ways they’ve improved, then maybe you value complaining more than actual improvement.
To suggest that you (and this blog) is more focused on NIL than GU itself is not only asinine, but goes far beyond the height of hubris.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2021 12:40:36 GMT -5
[Is the athletic department dragging their feet? Do you have a source for that? I've seen quite a few things that the AD is all-in on NIL deals. No. Because this isn't all about basketball. Some schools approach change as "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." Some approach it as "Get it done and lets the chips fall where they may." Still others follow the well-worn adage, "Measure twice, cut once". At Georgetown, it's more like "Measure twice, send the measurements to the Working Group on Measurements, who reviews the findings and sends a recommendation to the Committee on Responsible Cutting, who proposes a RFP on instruments to the Task Force on Instrumentation, who awaits the signoffs to procure the cutting tool." An exaggeration, but a reflection that Georgetown prefers measured decision making, which means that haste isn't part of the equation. NLI isn't a program for 10 or 11 men that bounce a ball. It's not a program for a Chris Livingston to show up, take a minimum semester of classes, and cut out in March. It's not a program to dwell on "cultural impact" from a University or a city that isn't the same as it was in 1996. It's a holistic approach to provide, and where appropriate, to support entrepreneurship and leadership from 750 students, of whom just 1.7 percent play men's basketball and fewer than 20 percent even earn a scholarship. Georgetown is not going to throw together a program because Patrick Ewing (or the General Manager) says so. It has to be defined in terms of any student-athlete, and just as importantly, any future student-athlete that is eligible to promote themselves within University and NCAA guidelines. Given that the president of the University is also the president of the NCAA Board of Governors, and that the NIL rules are anything but set prior to the NCAA convention, there are too many moving pieces to rush to a ineffective, questionable, or ethically suspect plan. It also helps to get a firm view of the landscape before building a plan. There are plenty of NIL opportunities at Alabama or Clemson but what is the environment like in Washington, DC, where playing a sport at Georgetown isn't that a big a deal, and where the community level of interest in NIL figures falls well behind politics, media, health care, the Redskins, Caps, Nats, Wizards, Terrapins, etc.? If this is the time to plant some trees instead of walking in the heat, then the wait will be a productive one. (That, and the "Working Group on Measurements" may not be meeting for a while.)
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 17, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -5
[Is the athletic department dragging their feet? Do you have a source for that? I've seen quite a few things that the AD is all-in on NIL deals. No. Because this isn't all about basketball. Some schools approach change as "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." Some approach it as "Get it done and lets the chips fall where they may." Still others follow the well-worn adage, "Measure twice, cut once". At Georgetown, it's more like "Measure twice, send the measurements to the Working Group on Measurements, who reviews the findings and sends a recommendation to the Committee on Responsible Cutting, who proposes a RFP on instruments to the Task Force on Instrumentation, who awaits the signoffs to procure the cutting tool." An exaggeration, but a reflection that Georgetown prefers measured decision making, which means that haste isn't part of the equation. NLI isn't a program for 10 or 11 men that bounce a ball. It's not a program for a Chris Livingston to show up, take a minimum semester of classes, and cut out in March. It's not a program to dwell on "cultural impact" from a University or a city that isn't the same as it was in 1996. It's a holistic approach to provide, and where appropriate, to support entrepreneurship and leadership from 750 students, of whom just 1.7 percent play men's basketball and fewer than 20 percent even earn a scholarship. Georgetown is not going to throw together a program because Patrick Ewing (or the General Manager) says so. It has to be defined in terms of any student-athlete, and just as importantly, any future student-athlete that is eligible to promote themselves within University and NCAA guidelines. Given that the president of the University is also the president of the NCAA Board of Governors, and that the NIL rules are anything but set prior to the NCAA convention, there are too many moving pieces to rush to a ineffective, questionable, or ethically suspect plan. It also helps to get a firm view of the landscape before building a plan. There are plenty of NIL opportunities at Alabama or Clemson but what is the environment like in Washington, DC, where playing a sport at Georgetown isn't that a big a deal, and where the community level of interest in NIL figures falls well behind politics, media, health care, the Redskins, Caps, Nats, Wizards, Terrapins, etc.? If this is the time to plant some trees instead of walking in the heat, then the wait will be a productive one. (That, and the "Working Group on Measurements" may not be meeting for a while.) One of the biggest points in the article you posted about TCU was the coaches basically telling boosters/donors we need you to step up so TCU can keep up, it’s really not about the university creating some NIL program… Does Gtown have donors willing to pony up? If so is the administration willing to go out and “recruit” these donors to help the athletic teams @ GU I also don’t think location has anything to do with opportunities…
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 17, 2021 13:54:01 GMT -5
There is zero need to get hostile here. Look at the rest of this thread, plenty of schools (including BE rivals) are setting up NIL vehicles to help SAs find opportunities for NIL deals. Georgetown does not have that. And your rationale for Lee Reed being “all in” has nothing to do with Lee himself, just his boss, who works for the organization that resisted NIL forever until they couldn’t do it anymore. Not sure why you think that would mean Reed is all in on NIL then. Not getting hostile, just wondering what proof you have that Georgetown is shying away from NIL? There are plenty of articles out there supporting what I'm saying but I haven't seen anything supporing what you are saying. I'm also referring to the Athletic Department when I say AD, not Lee Reed himself...I'd hope Lee has more important things to do then focus on NIL deals. As far as more steps that Georgetown is doing to be at the forefront of NIL, we have two members of the BE NIL Working group, including the only student-athlete: guhoyas.com/news/2020/11/6/malcolm-wilson-announced-as-part-of-big-east-nil-working-group-dan-trump-also-added.aspxKeep in mind that NIL deals aren't limited to basketball, here is a variety of athletes across the University that have signed deals with Barstool Sports (granted not the best deal out there so far): www.casualhoya.com/2021/7/14/22576919/nil-several-georgetown-hoyas-athletes-barstool-athletics-crew-track-softball-footballEveryone is still figuring out how NILs will work and I'm glad we're doing it in a measured way with lots of thought. Rather then partnering with FedEx and breaking the rule already to offer a student a deal to come to Memphis. I just think its disingenuous to say a GU Blog is doing the heavy lifting or that the AD is dragging their feet. Memphis plays in an arena named after Fed Ex seems to me its a natural partnership...
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2021 15:27:10 GMT -5
Not getting hostile, just wondering what proof you have that Georgetown is shying away from NIL? There are plenty of articles out there supporting what I'm saying but I haven't seen anything supporing what you are saying. I'm also referring to the Athletic Department when I say AD, not Lee Reed himself...I'd hope Lee has more important things to do then focus on NIL deals. As far as more steps that Georgetown is doing to be at the forefront of NIL, we have two members of the BE NIL Working group, including the only student-athlete: guhoyas.com/news/2020/11/6/malcolm-wilson-announced-as-part-of-big-east-nil-working-group-dan-trump-also-added.aspxKeep in mind that NIL deals aren't limited to basketball, here is a variety of athletes across the University that have signed deals with Barstool Sports (granted not the best deal out there so far): www.casualhoya.com/2021/7/14/22576919/nil-several-georgetown-hoyas-athletes-barstool-athletics-crew-track-softball-footballEveryone is still figuring out how NILs will work and I'm glad we're doing it in a measured way with lots of thought. Rather then partnering with FedEx and breaking the rule already to offer a student a deal to come to Memphis. I just think its disingenuous to say a GU Blog is doing the heavy lifting or that the AD is dragging their feet. Memphis plays in an arena named after Fed Ex seems to me its a natural partnership... It is quite a natural partnership but the way that the NIL deal was secured and promised looks to be a pretty clear breach of the rules that are mostly unclear so far.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 17, 2021 18:26:44 GMT -5
Memphis plays in an arena named after Fed Ex seems to me its a natural partnership... It is quite a natural partnership but the way that the NIL deal was secured and promised looks to be a pretty clear breach of the rules that are mostly unclear so far. Don’t you have to say allegedly or reportedly secured & promised? It’s not a stretch to believe the folks around Bates were asking around about endorsement deals in many places…
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Sept 29, 2021 8:09:47 GMT -5
Schwab says he and his team of prominent advisers had initially assumed that sometime next year, there might begin to be a “slow movement” to expand athlete rights beyond NIL. That’s no longer his assessment.
“As we are seeing, I think that transition is happening before our eyes, and there is no going back,” said Schwab. “By 2022, we are probably going to be in a place where there are very few restrictions on purchasing of NIL rights.”
Schwab, who previously served as vice president of business and legal affairs for the licensing arm of the National Football League Players Association, says he is not a proponent of allowing players to be paid directly by schools. Though a self-avowed athlete advocate, Schwab still believes it is important to distinguish college athletes from pros.
“By ripping the Band-Aid off entirely and taking away all the restrictions,” he said, “you are going to see athletes get hurt in the process.”
Schwab continued, “I think if we go to pay-for-play, and if it becomes essentially players negotiating contracts, let’s just call it what it is—another version of professional athletics, and with that comes all the upside and downside of professional athletics versus the current collegiate model.”
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2021 12:52:35 GMT -5
This is why I didn't buy into the Memphis is cheating to get Bates narrative...
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 29, 2021 13:03:10 GMT -5
This is why I didn't but into the Memphis is cheating to get Bates narrative... Are you saying there's some kind of connection between the Raymond Brothers and Penny/Memphis?
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 29, 2021 13:11:00 GMT -5
This is why I didn't but into the Memphis is cheating to get Bates narrative... Are you saying there's some kind of connection between the Raymond Brothers and Penny/Memphis? Nope, I'm saying players like Bates dont need help from coaches to land big endorsement deals, they'll have a team of folks handling that for them...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 29, 2021 13:55:07 GMT -5
Sounds like something right up David Falk’s alley.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 30, 2021 4:55:26 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 30, 2021 7:17:06 GMT -5
I think everyone is going to kill the golden goose, especially in college football. The football bubble has been ripe to burst for quite some time as only a handfull of programs actually make any money.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 30, 2021 7:58:08 GMT -5
Agree, but I think you have to factor in alumni engagement, donations, merchandising and good will.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 30, 2021 8:04:46 GMT -5
Agree, but I think you have to factor in alumni engagement, donations, merchandising and good will. True, but alot of the money is churned back into upgrading facilities, higher coaching and training salaries and keeping up with the Sabans. I think the sheer number of players (60 plus) and accompanying staff makes it a very hard sport to be profitable with. Basketball is much better positioned than football.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 30, 2021 9:09:17 GMT -5
I think everyone is going to kill the golden goose, especially in college football. The football bubble has been ripe to burst for quite some time as only a handfull of programs actually make any money. Why? This money isn't coming from school budgets in anyway..
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Post by hoyaduck on Sept 30, 2021 11:53:37 GMT -5
"Several Alumni and prominent Oregon Donors, including Pat Kilkenny, Ed Maletis, Jim Morse, the Papé Family, and NIKE co-founder Phil Knight, announced today the formation of Division Street, Inc., a sport venture that will supercharge name, image, and likeness (NIL) opportunities for University of Oregon athletes. The company seeks to help student-athletes create and monetize their brands in a way that enables them to focus on the two most important parts of their collegiate journey— academics and sport." www.divisionst.com/press-release
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 1, 2021 6:31:08 GMT -5
In the nine-page memo, NLRB General Counsel Jennifer Abruzzo said players are employees and have the right to unionize. She threatened schools, conferences and the NCAA over their use of the term “student-athletes” and said player activism is a “protected concerted activity.” “[Players are] employees, who have the right to act collectively to improve their terms and conditions of employment,” Abruzzo wrote. The memo, she said, was to “help educate the public, especially Players at Academic Institutions, colleges and universities, athletic conferences, and the NCAA, about the legal position that I will be taking regarding employee status and misclassification in appropriate cases.” www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/30/nlrb-memo-ncaa-college-athletes-employees/
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 1, 2021 8:10:33 GMT -5
At some point, there will a handful of teams that can buy their way into contention. The rest will just go through the motions.
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