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Post by MrDouglass on Sept 4, 2021 18:55:14 GMT -5
As this relates to Gtown, the program will need to step up because I'd bet a nice chunk of change that Nova, Xavier, Butler, Uconn etc already have plans in place for the NIL... Exactly! Unfortunately I’m not seeing much activity so far, aside from something about taking photos of lunches (which reminds me of the time we recruited Stromile Swift by letting Jahidi White treat him to a po-boy). There is a separate thread specifically for listing Georgetown NIL deals. Either we have none, or nobody is using the thread.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 7, 2021 7:55:39 GMT -5
For the majority of college athletes, though — those without all-American status or social media clout already banked — NIL is not a source of passive income but a responsibility added to course loads and practice schedules. Athletic departments have partnered with industry experts who have outlined best practices and suggested benchmarks. Players block out hours to study their social feeds and refine their own pages, with follower counts representing the clearest path to income, by way of sponsored posts. Those athletes who hope to turn loosened restrictions into a buffer against financial hardship have now started to learn parallel lessons — in how to build a brand, and in what it’s like to live like one. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/07/nil-money-college-athletes-non-stars/?itid=hp-more-top-stories
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 7, 2021 8:18:37 GMT -5
I wonder if NIL opportunities will breed resentment and hurt team chemistry. 🤔
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 7, 2021 10:31:03 GMT -5
I wonder if NIL opportunities will breed resentment and hurt team chemistry. 🤔 It could lead to more players freezing up. Dj Uiagalelei (face of college football/doctor pepper) was deer in the headlights against UGA last saturday. I think the added time commitment and pressure and responsibility for some of these NIL superstars will lead to some of these players flaming out. It's probably not good for kids growth and development mentally and emotionally but at least they are getting compensated. I think Kwame Brown is a good example. Sure he made money but he was going to make money anyway once he came out of college. But he was really damaged by coming straight out of high school and I don't think he ever reached the full potential that had him go number one overall.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 7, 2021 10:32:38 GMT -5
I wonder if NIL opportunities will breed resentment and hurt team chemistry. 🤔 It also would have been interesting to see how much McClung could have made under NIL. He would have probably been one of the top earners given his Instagram/youtube following.
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Post by jydhoya on Sept 7, 2021 12:49:32 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb question but can a business enter into an agreement with the athletes and their coach? I am wondering if a deal could exist that includes both Hoya players and Ewing? Maybe. This is an important question. The NIL value of our former coaches and players (eg JT2/3, Ewing, Mutombo, Mourning, Iverson, etc) is a potentially really important strategic advantage for us, if combining the NIL of former and current coaches/players to attract high-value$ NIL deals is allowed and can be done via a team-based, equitable-comp (ie all players make same amount $) approach. A smart Company/Campaign could capture the powerful elements of what Georgetown basketball means/has meant without having to use the actual Georgetown jersey. As example, a Brand could associate itself with our past & present players’ NIL via a Campaign about Basketball, Culture & Leadership... -JT2 and his societal importance -Ewing as head coach of major college university -Mutombo and his significant humanitarian initiatives -Mourning and his significant charitable initiatives -Iverson w/Hampton Bowling Alley incarceration/S.W.I.S.; going on to become one of most influential players in NBA history; Roundball classic -Jeff Green Family Foundation -Etc -Current players discussing their drive and how they’ve used it to reach the collegiate level; their views on basketball and society and how they plan to give back; etc Similar to Miami using “Bring Back the U” to get around NCAA licensing issues, we could circumvent NCAA licensing by using the NIL of famous alums (and what they’ve accomplished off the NCAA-court) to create connectivity to our current players. If executed properly, i think it would be culturally-relevant, important, marketable, and definitely steer clear of pay-for-performance. Even if a campaign were to run for only a season or two, it presumably would provide a substantial baseline NIL revenue source for our current team members, while highlighting to companies (& future HS prospects) the branding power of our past, present and future players...not just because of what they’ve accomplished on the court, but also because of what they've accomplished (and hopefully will continue to accomplish) off the court. And then, of course, winning breeds winning and future advertising/NIL dollars. Again, not sure if it’s allowed. If it’s not specifically not allowed (sorry for double negative), I think we should be exploring something along these lines if we are not already.
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Post by badgerhoya on Sept 7, 2021 16:54:39 GMT -5
I wonder if NIL opportunities will breed resentment and hurt team chemistry. 🤔 It could lead to more players freezing up. Dj Uiagalelei (face of college football/doctor pepper) was deer in the headlights against UGA last saturday. I think the added time commitment and pressure and responsibility for some of these NIL superstars will lead to some of these players flaming out. It's probably not good for kids growth and development mentally and emotionally but at least they are getting compensated. I think Kwame Brown is a good example. Sure he made money but he was going to make money anyway once he came out of college. But he was really damaged by coming straight out of high school and I don't think he ever reached the full potential that had him go number one overall. Graham Mertz out of UW says hi as well.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 7, 2021 18:06:15 GMT -5
It could lead to more players freezing up. Dj Uiagalelei (face of college football/doctor pepper) was deer in the headlights against UGA last saturday. I think the added time commitment and pressure and responsibility for some of these NIL superstars will lead to some of these players flaming out. It's probably not good for kids growth and development mentally and emotionally but at least they are getting compensated. I think Kwame Brown is a good example. Sure he made money but he was going to make money anyway once he came out of college. But he was really damaged by coming straight out of high school and I don't think he ever reached the full potential that had him go number one overall. Graham Mertz out of UW says hi as well. He didn’t freeze up. Just had finger injuries from signing 10,000 NIL autographs which caused him to fumble the handoff twice (and lose two touchdowns) at the goalline. Not his fault.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 7, 2021 21:22:03 GMT -5
While in principle, I have no problem with NIL, I think that the way in which it is being implemented raises a lot of causes for potential concern that are not readily apparent yet. I also think a lot of people here are significantly overestimating the amount of money most of these guys are making from NIL deals, too. Sure, CasualHoya paid some players to post their lunches and promote their site, but how much? I am guessing it was extremely modest. When people do social media plugs, oftentimes they are doing things like that for minimal amounts of money and/or free products (not sure if the NIL rules allow the later).
Again, in theory, more power to them. Any amount of money is welcome, I am sure. But, I also think unless you're a star quarterback, one of the very top NCAA basketball players, or have a following for whatever reason, the amount earned on average from these NIL deals will be modest at most schools. Of course, all bets are off for schools with tons of rich alumni/boosters who will pay anything to help their school. In that sense, I think a lot of the SEC football guys are going to make a lot of money.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 7, 2021 22:18:58 GMT -5
While in principle, I have no problem with NIL, I think that the way in which it is being implemented raises a lot of causes for potential concern that are not readily apparent yet. I also think a lot of people here are significantly overestimating the amount of money most of these guys are making from NIL deals, too. Sure, CasualHoya paid some players to post their lunches and promote their site, but how much? I am guessing it was extremely modest. When people do social media plugs, oftentimes they are doing things like that for minimal amounts of money and/or free products (not sure if the NIL rules allow the later). Again, in theory, more power to them. Any amount of money is welcome, I am sure. But, I also think unless you're a star quarterback, one of the very top NCAA basketball players, or have a following for whatever reason, the amount earned on average from these NIL deals will be modest at most schools. Of course, all bets are off for schools with tons of rich alumni/boosters who will pay anything to help their school. In that sense, I think a lot of the SEC football guys are going to make a lot of money. I think if you are in a big city, then you have to win because there is competition from all the pro sports teams and other universities. But if you can win then the upside is huge. If you are in a state where there is zero pro sports teams (Nebraska, Alabama, Iowa, Idaho) then there will probably be more NIL but it will be capped out. I think this favors some of the southern states and some of the midwestern states.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 8, 2021 6:33:42 GMT -5
I think the schools that pushed the envelope before will be the ones doing the same under NIL- Kentucky, Memphis, Arizona, LSU. In the BE, UConn could be a player. It’s the same show.
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Post by badgerhoya on Sept 8, 2021 12:15:47 GMT -5
While in principle, I have no problem with NIL, I think that the way in which it is being implemented raises a lot of causes for potential concern that are not readily apparent yet. I also think a lot of people here are significantly overestimating the amount of money most of these guys are making from NIL deals, too. Sure, CasualHoya paid some players to post their lunches and promote their site, but how much? I am guessing it was extremely modest. When people do social media plugs, oftentimes they are doing things like that for minimal amounts of money and/or free products (not sure if the NIL rules allow the later). Again, in theory, more power to them. Any amount of money is welcome, I am sure. But, I also think unless you're a star quarterback, one of the very top NCAA basketball players, or have a following for whatever reason, the amount earned on average from these NIL deals will be modest at most schools. Of course, all bets are off for schools with tons of rich alumni/boosters who will pay anything to help their school. In that sense, I think a lot of the SEC football guys are going to make a lot of money. I think if you are in a big city, then you have to win because there is competition from all the pro sports teams and other universities. But if you can win then the upside is huge. If you are in a state where there is zero pro sports teams (Nebraska, Alabama, Iowa, Idaho) then there will probably be more NIL but it will be capped out. I think this favors some of the southern states and some of the midwestern states. Not sure I agree w/the last point you make... Michigan (Ann Arbor) and tOSU (Columbus) should have huge potential, as would USC out in LA. It's more about the "presence" and "importance" of the team in the community at-large that's the determining factor. To wit, I think there's more potential for the Minnesota hockey team than there is for either the football or basketball teams.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 16, 2021 18:42:31 GMT -5
Yesterday evening, TCU rolled out its NIL program at a corporate presentation, which includes a three credit summer course in entrepreneurship and dedicated space in its athletic center for students to develop opportunities in conjunction with its undergraduate business school. There was also some frank talk about what happens if this doesn't catch on. "We're going to have to be up and running [with NIL] for my group by the end of November,” said football coach Gary Patterson, “or I have a chance to lose 25, 30 guys [to transfer]. That’s as plain and simple as I can speak of it...There’s five SEC schools calling ((a current freshman)) and telling him, 'Here’s what we’ll give you if you come here and not stay at TCU. At the end of the day, that’s just real life. If we don’t do anything about it, within a year we lose him." "Players recruit players. When a kid calls, ‘Well, how are they taking care of you?’ If they don’t say they’re giving me this then the kid is not going to come. Players recruit players." Article: www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article254278183.htmlRelease: gofrogs.com/news/2021/9/16/general-tcu-announces-scaled-to-succeed-nil-program.aspx
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Post by 617hoya on Sept 17, 2021 10:41:20 GMT -5
Am appreciative of Casual Hoya stepping up to help facilitate some NIL deals, but it should not be on a GU blog to do the heavy lifting here. Disappointed to see the athletic department continue to drag their feet here.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:20:18 GMT -5
Am appreciative of Casual Hoya stepping up to help facilitate some NIL deals, but it should not be on a GU blog to do the heavy lifting here. Disappointed to see the athletic department continue to drag their feet here. Is the athletic department dragging their feet? Do you have a source for that? I've seen quite a few things that the AD is all-in on NIL deals.
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Post by 617hoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:22:11 GMT -5
Am appreciative of Casual Hoya stepping up to help facilitate some NIL deals, but it should not be on a GU blog to do the heavy lifting here. Disappointed to see the athletic department continue to drag their feet here. Is the athletic department dragging their feet? Do you have a source for that? I've seen quite a few things that the AD is all-in on NIL deals. By all means please share where you have seen Lee Reed is all in on NIL.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:27:25 GMT -5
Is the athletic department dragging their feet? Do you have a source for that? I've seen quite a few things that the AD is all-in on NIL deals. By all means please share where you have seen Lee Reed is all in on NIL. Ah the classic, deflection when you're asked for a source. Well considering that Jack DeGioia is one of the head decision makers for NIL policy, I'd assume Georgetown is pretty well set-up to take advantage of the rules without breaking them. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-governors-appoints-degioia-chair?division=d1Plus we've had players across the university sign minor deals. Anything big is going to take time. Finally, as it's been discussed, NIL deals are on the student, not the AD. Granted the AD has posted that they are including NIL coaching in the team's yearly orientation which also includes media and academic coaching.
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Post by 617hoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:30:17 GMT -5
By all means please share where you have seen Lee Reed is all in on NIL. Ah the classic, deflection when you're asked for a source. Well considering that Jack DeGioia is one of the head decision makers for NIL policy, I'd assume Georgetown is pretty well set-up to take advantage of the rules without breaking them. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-governors-appoints-degioia-chair?division=d1Plus we've had players across the university sign minor deals. Anything big is going to take time. Finally, as it's been discussed, NIL deals are on the student, not the AD. Granted the AD has posted that they are including NIL coaching in the team's yearly orientation which also includes media and academic coaching. There is zero need to get hostile here. Look at the rest of this thread, plenty of schools (including BE rivals) are setting up NIL vehicles to help SAs find opportunities for NIL deals. Georgetown does not have that. And your rationale for Lee Reed being “all in” has nothing to do with Lee himself, just his boss, who works for the organization that resisted NIL forever until they couldn’t do it anymore. Not sure why you think that would mean Reed is all in on NIL then.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 17, 2021 12:07:51 GMT -5
We should just have Leonsis execute NIL deals with prospective 5-stars. It would fill the seats. Win-win.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 17, 2021 12:21:54 GMT -5
Ah the classic, deflection when you're asked for a source. Well considering that Jack DeGioia is one of the head decision makers for NIL policy, I'd assume Georgetown is pretty well set-up to take advantage of the rules without breaking them. www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-governors-appoints-degioia-chair?division=d1Plus we've had players across the university sign minor deals. Anything big is going to take time. Finally, as it's been discussed, NIL deals are on the student, not the AD. Granted the AD has posted that they are including NIL coaching in the team's yearly orientation which also includes media and academic coaching. There is zero need to get hostile here. Look at the rest of this thread, plenty of schools (including BE rivals) are setting up NIL vehicles to help SAs find opportunities for NIL deals. Georgetown does not have that. And your rationale for Lee Reed being “all in” has nothing to do with Lee himself, just his boss, who works for the organization that resisted NIL forever until they couldn’t do it anymore. Not sure why you think that would mean Reed is all in on NIL then. The poster wasn’t being hostile and your logic is broken. Stop gaslighting like a child.
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