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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 21, 2021 20:19:24 GMT -5
Texas and Oklahoma have reached out to the SEC.
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Post by hoyaduck on Jul 22, 2021 10:23:26 GMT -5
Plenty of roadblocks to an Oklahoma-Texas-SEC marriage, but one in particular is a vote by the member schools. At least 11 of the 14 SEC teams must say yes to the Sooners and Longhorns. Texas A&M is a known no and Missouri has already said it would vote against the additions. I wonder if there are two more no votes out there.
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 22, 2021 17:46:23 GMT -5
The only way this really affects us is if four super conferences break off and form their own NCAA in all sports. I can't believe anyone will be desperate enough to poach UConn football. But ESPN is going to push the SEC like they are the NFL when they take over the whole package and add Texas and Oklahoma. Everyone with the possible exception of the Big Ten is going to be treated like 9th class citizens. It's hard to believe that this could be come more of an issue than it already is, but college football is going to be a really, really, really regional sport now.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 22, 2021 20:29:56 GMT -5
The only way this really affects us is if four super conferences break off and form their own NCAA in all sports. I can't believe anyone will be desperate enough to poach UConn football. But ESPN is going to push the SEC like they are the NFL when they take over the whole package and add Texas and Oklahoma. Everyone with the possible exception of the Big Ten is going to be treated like 9th class citizens. It's hard to believe that this could be come more of an issue than it already is, but college football is going to be a really, really, really regional sport now. Clemson's not going away as a national power as long as Dabo is there. As for this proposal, I say bleah, and I hope it doesn't happen.
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 22, 2021 20:56:11 GMT -5
The only way this really affects us is if four super conferences break off and form their own NCAA in all sports. I can't believe anyone will be desperate enough to poach UConn football. But ESPN is going to push the SEC like they are the NFL when they take over the whole package and add Texas and Oklahoma. Everyone with the possible exception of the Big Ten is going to be treated like 9th class citizens. It's hard to believe that this could be come more of an issue than it already is, but college football is going to be a really, really, really regional sport now. Clemson's not going away as a national power as long as Dabo is there. As for this proposal, I say bleah, and I hope it doesn't happen. Clemson will keep an easy walk into any kind of playoff system. But in terms of national (and especially ESPN's) attention in the regular season, the ACC is going to fall further behind. Financially, the SEC and the Big 10 are really going to dwarf the others. The SEC will make a massive amount of money here, and the Big 10's deal is up in a couple of years. They'll get a big increase too. The ACC is locked into their deal with ESPN until 2036, and they already make less money. Everyone else is going to be at a serious disadvantage.
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Post by BSM on Jul 23, 2021 11:21:33 GMT -5
I hate to be doom and gloom but has there been one of these proposed Football school conference grabs that didn't go through? The latest report has Texas and Oklahoma talking to the SEC for the past six months. Texas A&M may have to decide between being well compensated for swallowing their pride or joining the Big 12.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 23, 2021 12:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 23, 2021 13:13:48 GMT -5
Does this sound familiar?
“I’m not surprised by Texas, but I’m really disappointed by the way OU has handled this,” the second Big 12 AD said. “They’ve participated in all our meetings without saying a single word.
“I think this has been going on for six months — at a minimum of probably three months, and ESPN has been right in the middle of it.”
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 23, 2021 13:26:56 GMT -5
Does this sound familiar? “I’m not surprised by Texas, but I’m really disappointed by the way OU has handled this,” the second Big 12 AD said. “They’ve participated in all our meetings without saying a single word. “I think this has been going on for six months — at a minimum of probably three months, and ESPN has been right in the middle of it.” 100% ESPN's doing here just like they brokered the Cuse-Pitt negotiations with the ACC behind closed doors a decade ago. If they already have the SEC (with CBS) and Longhorn Network, but Fox has the B12, what better way to damage Fox than to help steal Texas and OU for the SEC? To come up with a "what's next piece" at this level of detail within an hour of "breaking the news" just shows you how involved they were from the beginning of this process: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31864932/potential-texas-oklahoma-move-sec-hurdles-domino-effects-know-farBetween this and NLI, Georgetown better quickly figure out how to make sure their current/prospective athletes are not disadvantaged by choosing us over what may become a Power 4 school in the near future.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 23, 2021 13:55:41 GMT -5
Does this sound familiar? “I’m not surprised by Texas, but I’m really disappointed by the way OU has handled this,” the second Big 12 AD said. “They’ve participated in all our meetings without saying a single word. “I think this has been going on for six months — at a minimum of probably three months, and ESPN has been right in the middle of it.” 100% ESPN's doing here just like they brokered the Cuse-Pitt negotiations with the ACC behind closed doors a decade ago. If they already have the SEC (with CBS) and Longhorn Network, but Fox has the B12, what better way to damage Fox than to help steal Texas and OU for the SEC? To come up with a "what's next piece" at this level of detail within an hour of "breaking the news" just shows you how involved they were from the beginning of this process: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31864932/potential-texas-oklahoma-move-sec-hurdles-domino-effects-know-farBetween this and NLI, Georgetown better quickly figure out how to make sure their current/prospective athletes are not disadvantaged by choosing us over what may become a Power 4 school in the near future. I have very similar thoughts, the fat cat keeps on eating. But what is the Big 12 gonna do? This would leave them with 8 teams and unless they were all top tier then this just does not really work, maybe poach from the AAC? Houston is an obvious choice along with maybe Cincinnati, also SMU, UCF, Memphis, BYU if they wanted to commit to a conference. Ideally wanna take more than 2 and actually make it 12 teams to compensate for the massive loss and off the top of my head Houston and SMU at the very least would be solid pick ups with them being such close proximity to everyone and this would be a step up for them. If I worked at any of these schools I would already be on the phone to get a shot at being in a power conference. I think they will handle it, it is moreso like really? you guys wanna do this now? Really ESPN? can you just go to hell already? Now we gotta scramble and still probably lose money overall Also if Texas A&M gets the votes to veto at least Texas then wow they are not gonna be in a great spot lol and saw some stuff about people reaching out about a "Super Pac" conference in which Pac 12 basically swoops in to take the best of the remaining Big 12 minus religious schools despite Baylor just having won Basketball but I think the Big 12 doesn't give in
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 23, 2021 14:27:25 GMT -5
100% ESPN's doing here just like they brokered the Cuse-Pitt negotiations with the ACC behind closed doors a decade ago. If they already have the SEC (with CBS) and Longhorn Network, but Fox has the B12, what better way to damage Fox than to help steal Texas and OU for the SEC? To come up with a "what's next piece" at this level of detail within an hour of "breaking the news" just shows you how involved they were from the beginning of this process: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31864932/potential-texas-oklahoma-move-sec-hurdles-domino-effects-know-farBetween this and NLI, Georgetown better quickly figure out how to make sure their current/prospective athletes are not disadvantaged by choosing us over what may become a Power 4 school in the near future. I have very similar thoughts, the fat cat keeps on eating. But what is the Big 12 gonna do? This would leave them with 8 teams and unless they were all top tier then this just does not really work, maybe poach from the AAC? Houston is an obvious choice along with maybe Cincinnati, also SMU, UCF, Memphis, BYU if they wanted to commit to a conference. Ideally wanna take more than 2 and actually make it 12 teams to compensate for the massive loss and off the top of my head Houston and SMU at the very least would be solid pick ups with them being such close proximity to everyone and this would be a step up for them. If I worked at any of these schools I would already be on the phone to get a shot at being in a power conference. I think they will handle it, it is moreso like really? you guys wanna do this now? Really ESPN? can you just go to hell already? Now we gotta scramble and still probably lose money overall Also if Texas A&M gets the votes to veto at least Texas then wow they are not gonna be in a great spot lol and saw some stuff about people reaching out about a "Super Pac" conference in which Pac 12 basically swoops in to take the best of the remaining Big 12 minus religious schools despite Baylor just having won Basketball but I think the Big 12 doesn't give in So from my understanding, A&M does not actually have a legal right to veto Texas; that was a handshake agreement with the SEC when they joined that the SEC will obviously renege on now. Don't think SEC will have 4 existing members vote against Texas-OU, as all SEC schools stand to make more money out of it and ultimately, that's the impetus behind this move. Agree that the B12 will try to stave off extinction by poaching the top of AAC/CUSA, and that they'll probably be able to do it. But unless they can muster at least one flagship program that competes at the CFP level annually, they essentially become what the AAC/CUSA are today, maybe a slight step above but the days of being considered a power conference are over. The B12 with OU and Texas was barely doing that to begin with. The huge losers are the AAC/CUSA, two conferences that ESPN has TV rights for but honestly doesn't care about. If you're one of the leftovers of either conference after the dust settles here, it's basically game over as far as being competitive in high-level D1 athletics is concerned.
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Post by ksf42001 on Jul 23, 2021 15:05:41 GMT -5
I have very similar thoughts, the fat cat keeps on eating. But what is the Big 12 gonna do? This would leave them with 8 teams and unless they were all top tier then this just does not really work, maybe poach from the AAC? Houston is an obvious choice along with maybe Cincinnati, also SMU, UCF, Memphis, BYU if they wanted to commit to a conference. Ideally wanna take more than 2 and actually make it 12 teams to compensate for the massive loss and off the top of my head Houston and SMU at the very least would be solid pick ups with them being such close proximity to everyone and this would be a step up for them. If I worked at any of these schools I would already be on the phone to get a shot at being in a power conference. I think they will handle it, it is moreso like really? you guys wanna do this now? Really ESPN? can you just go to hell already? Now we gotta scramble and still probably lose money overall Also if Texas A&M gets the votes to veto at least Texas then wow they are not gonna be in a great spot lol and saw some stuff about people reaching out about a "Super Pac" conference in which Pac 12 basically swoops in to take the best of the remaining Big 12 minus religious schools despite Baylor just having won Basketball but I think the Big 12 doesn't give in The huge losers are the AAC/CUSA, two conferences that ESPN has TV rights for but honestly doesn't care about. They have to have something to air on ESPN+...
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 23, 2021 20:13:03 GMT -5
I agree with everything written above, and I think this stinks. Oklahoma St, Kansas and Kansas St will have to decide whether they want to stay in a diluted Big 12, or join the Pac 12. The team that really seems to be caught in no man's land here is West Virginia. Where are they going to go if the Big 12 splinters? The ACC?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 23, 2021 21:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 23, 2021 23:39:55 GMT -5
Glad to hear it because it definitely is. And many are right in saying that this could fundamentally change college sports and it will likely result in the end of a conference or two at some level (either through extinction or irrelevance) so which will it be: the longstanding Power 5 which could spawn two super conferences in the SEC and PAC 12 or a conf that has been punching above its weight only to get picked apart. All of this brought to you by the TV Station that likes to ruin things for money
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 23, 2021 23:48:41 GMT -5
In all seriousness though, this might trigger something of an arms race of conferences if the Big 12 is shaken too much (teams aren't happy with new additions and leave) because despite all of the murmurs about the SEC and PAC 12, the Big 10 is not just gonna sit and watch the competition evolve a ton and there is a very likely scenario where the ACC gets really left behind in football which it already is with Clemson being the only legit contender but we all know how that generally goes against Bama and LSU in the past
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 24, 2021 8:51:38 GMT -5
If football wasn’t an issue the Big East would probably have a shot at grabbing a few of these programs. Unfortunately, that won’t happen because football is king, even for these schools with really bad football programs.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 24, 2021 12:04:15 GMT -5
If location and other factors were better, Kansas would be smart to pull a UConn and drop football (or go independent) and join the BE.
This whole nonsense makes me glad again about the current BE. The conference has a vision and the schools fit and embrace that vision. I've seen mentions of Creighton to the B12 and every time fans are adamantly against it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 25, 2021 17:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 26, 2021 18:39:35 GMT -5
If location and other factors were better, Kansas would be smart to pull a UConn and drop football (or go independent) and join the BE. This whole nonsense makes me glad again about the current BE. The conference has a vision and the schools fit and embrace that vision. I've seen mentions of Creighton to the B12 and every time fans are adamantly against it. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think this would be short-sighted of Kansas. I know they've been bad for a while, but it isn't that long ago since they've been good, and I think with the right coach, they could be good again.
Sorry, I thought I had only underlined "that" which was my intent.
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