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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 11, 2021 17:59:37 GMT -5
Second verbal for 2022 posted today.
Earlier in April:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 22, 2021 18:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 20, 2021 17:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 27, 2022 17:27:53 GMT -5
My best friend went to West Point, so I both understand where he's coming from and laughed really hard at this:
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 27, 2022 17:38:36 GMT -5
My best friend went to West Point, so I both understand where he's coming from and laughed really hard at this: Why? The West Point experience isn't for everyone and he saw no playing time as a fourth class cadet. And at 5-8, 155, he's too small for the receiver talent Army plays. Georgetown football isn't going to get better if it continues to live in the past. It needs growth, and it needs talent. Maybe Rob Sgarlata needs to go all-in on the transfer portal the same way Patrick Ewing apparently is.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 27, 2022 20:13:17 GMT -5
My best friend went to West Point, so I both understand where he's coming from and laughed really hard at this: Why? Because "THANK YOU GOD" is a very funny and direct way to express one's relief at getting the hell out of West Point, whether after one year or four years or five years (the poor bastards who had to go through USMAPS)... or, for that matter, one week or four weeks or five weeks.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 30, 2022 20:37:34 GMT -5
My best friend went to West Point, so I both understand where he's coming from and laughed really hard at this: Why? The West Point experience isn't for everyone and he saw no playing time as a fourth class cadet. And at 5-8, 155, he's too small for the receiver talent Army plays. Georgetown football isn't going to get better if it continues to live in the past. It needs growth, and it needs talent. Maybe Rob Sgarlata needs to go all-in on the transfer portal the same way Patrick Ewing apparently is. Are we going after walk-ons or guys exclusively from the Pioneer League? Because I don't see guys transferring to a football wasteland in order to pay 60k in tuition.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 30, 2022 21:11:27 GMT -5
Are we going after walk-ons or guys exclusively from the Pioneer League? Because I don't see guys transferring to a football wasteland in order to pay 60k in tuition. 1. Georgetown doesn't even recruit among the Pioneer League. I can't recall a single transfer from a Pioneer school, ever. 2. Not many of the kids are paying 60K in tuition if they qualify for full need. That said, if Georgetown will let basketball accept transfers with impunity, it should do the same for football and other sports.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 30, 2022 22:46:41 GMT -5
Are we going after walk-ons or guys exclusively from the Pioneer League? Because I don't see guys transferring to a football wasteland in order to pay 60k in tuition. 1. Georgetown doesn't even recruit among the Pioneer League. I can't recall a single transfer from a Pioneer school, ever. 2. Not many of the kids are paying 60K in tuition if they qualify for full need. That said, if Georgetown will let basketball accept transfers with impunity, it should do the same for football and other sports. I don't understand what "impunity" means here. What punishment, harm, or loss are transferring basketball players exempt or free from, in your view, that other athletes are not?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 31, 2022 12:33:10 GMT -5
Are we going after walk-ons or guys exclusively from the Pioneer League? Because I don't see guys transferring to a football wasteland in order to pay 60k in tuition. 1. Georgetown doesn't even recruit among the Pioneer League. I can't recall a single transfer from a Pioneer school, ever. 2. Not many of the kids are paying 60K in tuition if they qualify for full need. That said, if Georgetown will let basketball accept transfers with impunity, it should do the same for football and other sports. So you're saying that we can only recruit walk-ons, Pioneer players, and kids who are either destitute or willing to pay for the privilege of playing at Georgetown after being on scholarship elsewhere? Using the transfer portal for us in football is not remotely comparable to doing so in basketball.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2022 13:11:37 GMT -5
So you're saying that we can only recruit walk-ons, Pioneer players, and kids who are either destitute or willing to pay for the privilege of playing at Georgetown after being on scholarship elsewhere? Using the transfer portal for us in football is not remotely comparable to doing so in basketball. You keep citing Pioneer kids. That is not the case. No PFL transfers have joined the team in at least the last 15 years, maybe more. That's none. FWIW, here are the inbound transfers over the past five years: 2022: Sebastian Alonso, LS, Maryland: joins this year 2020-21: Cooper Melton, WR, Tennessee: Backup 2019-21: Davis Walker, PK, Tulane: Backup 2018-19: Gunther Johnson, QB, Arizona: Starter for 1.5 seasons 2016: Chris Gavin, RB, VMI: DNP 2016-17: Cameron Seward, Boston College: Played in 10 games It's not an either-or game, that is, destitute or paying full freight. Georgetown would be a much more desirable place for inbound transfers if they could be admitted, but football does not get the leeway other sports do...including, yes, men's basketball. And, with the exception of Gunther Johnson, they have not been a factor overall. BTW, this is not a discussion about outbound transfers. Between six and nine players from 2021, depending on who's counting, entered the portal. None went to the Pioneer, either.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 31, 2022 17:07:03 GMT -5
So you're saying that we can only recruit walk-ons, Pioneer players, and kids who are either destitute or willing to pay for the privilege of playing at Georgetown after being on scholarship elsewhere? Using the transfer portal for us in football is not remotely comparable to doing so in basketball. You keep citing Pioneer kids. That is not the case. No PFL transfers have joined the team in at least the last 15 years, maybe more. That's none. FWIW, here are the inbound transfers over the past five years: 2022: Sebastian Alonso, LS, Maryland: joins this year 2020-21: Cooper Melton, WR, Tennessee: Backup 2019-21: Davis Walker, PK, Tulane: Backup 2018-19: Gunther Johnson, QB, Arizona: Starter for 1.5 seasons 2016: Chris Gavin, RB, VMI: DNP 2016-17: Cameron Seward, Boston College: Played in 10 games It's not an either-or game, that is, destitute or paying full freight. Georgetown would be a much more desirable place for inbound transfers if they could be admitted, but football does not get the leeway other sports do...including, yes, men's basketball. And, with the exception of Gunther Johnson, they have not been a factor overall. BTW, this is not a discussion about outbound transfers. Between six and nine players from 2021, depending on who's counting, entered the portal. None went to the Pioneer, either. You are intentionally missing the point. If you want to RECRUIT transfers, the pool you have to draw from is very small, and includes Pioneer players because we will have to target non-scholarship FCS players, walk-ons, and kids who are well off.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 31, 2022 19:17:32 GMT -5
You are intentionally missing the point. If you want to RECRUIT transfers, the pool you have to draw from is very small, and includes Pioneer players because we will have to target non-scholarship FCS players, walk-ons, and kids who are well off. You are missing the point, so let's restate the case. 1. Georgetown has recruited transfers. Can we first agree on this? The list above indicates that they have accepted transfers in recent years, and for many years before, including at one time in the 1970's, junior college. None of these attended Pioneer schools and almost all played at FBS-level programs before coming to Georgetown. 2. Georgetown does not have to target non-scholarship FCS players as transfers; and, as was said above, doesn't. The football team at Georgetown is not a collection of walk-ons. They are all recruited student athletes and receive 100% demonstrated need. Where possible, the loan component is bought out in place of a grant. This is the funding formula used by PL teams prior to 2013--a bit archaic now, but that's another topic. If a fourth string tackle at Boston College wants to come to Georgetown, there is nothing in the PL bylaws nor Georgetown rules which prevents an offer being extended to him, assuming the financial aid offer is suitable to his family. 3. Georgetown has very few walk-ons in a season. The Patriot League has a roster cap which limits teams to 90 players, and roughly 22-24 kids a year are signed. Given the competitive level of PL football, which isn't great but still FCS caliber, walk-ons won't see a lot of time on the field beyond maybe a kicker. 4. Georgetown offers 100 percent demonstrated full need to all accepted students...and that includes football. A high net income family might get a kid admitted and get little or no aid, but that would not preclude a low income kid getting admitted with more need. 5. The transfer pool is quite large for college football--not as much as basketball, but sufficiently large. What precludes transfers considering Georgetown is three fold: 1) the competitive level may not be what a transfer is seeking; 2) the timing of transfer admissions at Georgetown is after regular admission and other schools are quicker to make offers, and 3) with relatively few outbound transfers, there are fewer slots available at Georgetown to bring people in. As that number grows with the portal, the football office, IMO, should have more latitude to identify transfers earlier in the process and not wait until June 1 with an offer of admission. Basketball certainly doesn't wait until June to make offers. In sum: 1. Georgetown's transfers in recent years have come from full scholarship programs and GU has made it work. 2. It's a smaller pool because of Georgetown's timelines, not because of a requirement for non-scholarship and/or high net income kids. 3. Pioneer League players are not targets for transfers.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 31, 2022 22:09:54 GMT -5
It's not an either-or game, that is, destitute or paying full freight. Georgetown would be a much more desirable place for inbound transfers if they could be admitted, but football does not get the leeway other sports do...including, yes, men's basketball. Ok, based on this, I'm interpreting the "impunity" comment to mean that basketball players' academic records are not 'help against them' the in the same way that football players' and other athletes' records are? I mean, that's true... but also not news? You're the one who's been beating the drum about the PL Academic Index longer and louder than anyone. Across the entire athletics program, the amount of 'leeway' that coaches have in recruiting is correlated to what the overall pool of D-I athletes looks like in each sport. Yeah, no kidding that basketball looks very different from football looks very different from soccer looks very different from swimming looks very different from golf. That's true... everywhere. The PL Academic Index does not seem like any greater of a burden on the transfer side than it is on the freshman side. [2) the timing of transfer admissions at Georgetown is after regular admission and other schools are quicker to make offers, and 3) with relatively few outbound transfers, there are fewer slots available at Georgetown to bring people in. As that number grows with the portal, the football office, IMO, should have more latitude to identify transfers earlier in the process and not wait until June 1 with an offer of admission. Basketball certainly doesn't wait until June to make offers. What evidence are you basing this timing issue on? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to see the substantiation for the claim that the football office does not have latitude, football does, and other sports...do or don't?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 1, 2022 13:56:19 GMT -5
In sum: 1. Georgetown's transfers in recent years have come from full scholarship programs and GU has made it work. 2. It's a smaller pool because of Georgetown's timelines, not because of a requirement for non-scholarship and/or high net income kids. 3. Pioneer League players are not targets for transfers. You named 6 transfers in 6 years. Are you certain that all 6 were on scholarship and were not walk-ons or PWOs at their previous schools? Are you also certain that they were not high net income kids? I don't see how #2 is supported by the evidence at all.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 29, 2022 20:03:36 GMT -5
Two-sport athlete, from the looks of it?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 2, 2022 11:43:07 GMT -5
Great name
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