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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 22, 2020 14:27:53 GMT -5
Well, you don't sound too happy given your comments in this thread, Double97. Lukewarm at best. I am lukewarm about how much upside this creates if we don’t make some coaching changes. Good players will not be enough. Fair point. Actually many have called for the hiring of a defense-oriented assistant after last season.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 22, 2020 15:03:00 GMT -5
I am lukewarm about how much upside this creates if we don’t make some coaching changes. Good players will not be enough. Fair point. Actually many have called for the hiring of a defense-oriented assistant after last season. Yes, I’m well aware. The stubbornness shown by this coach in the face of all the evidence that something needs to change is disquieting.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 22, 2020 15:50:49 GMT -5
Players need to play better, smarter and harder, and TALK on the court. Team still in need of leadership that talks the talk and walks the walk. Don Carey could be that guy, but maybe Dante too! Whoever it is must be consistent.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 22, 2020 15:56:30 GMT -5
If we brought in a defensive minded specialist as coach, can that be done without losing current staff? Who knows about these things?
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 22, 2020 16:25:39 GMT -5
Ideal coach checklist: 1. Knows defense really well and can drill it (and discipline/communication) into the players' minds and 2. A current or former coach from a DMV high school or local team that can provide connections and appeal to local recruiting talent
Might be a pipe dream but if anyone comes close to this then they should get that coach
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Post by justsaying on Dec 22, 2020 16:52:18 GMT -5
Ideal coach checklist: 1. Knows defense really well and can drill it (and discipline/communication) into the players' minds and 2. A current or former coach from a DMV high school or local team that can provide connections and appeal to local recruiting talent Might be a pipe dream but if anyone comes close to this then they should get that coach Is this the Aminu thread? Hyped about this young man.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 22, 2020 16:57:03 GMT -5
Probably belongs in the Program Approach thread, but since it's being discussed here... Would love to see a defensive-minded coach come in as well. Obviously the talent incoming next year has been upgraded significantly as of yesterday, but it still has to be coached. We've not had a defense ranked higher than 95 under the current staff. Could it be better (currently 120th) with an infusion of athleticism next year? Yes, probably. Can it get to where it needs to be for us to be considered a solid defensive team (top 50ish) with zero change in scheme? I'm a bit more skeptical. We've also got at least one '22 recruit in another thread (Rodney Rice) who has more or less said Georgetown needs to show something in local recruiting before he'd consider us. Whether you want to count Aminu as local is debatable (personally I'd go with no), but the point was made. The next step for us is to step it up locally. Kirby's brought in Beard and Aminu (per Tyler Adams), Orr had a big hand in Riley and Billingsley. Mutombo obviously knew Patrick going in. If we're looking for a defensive-minded assistant with some ability to improve local recruiting, there's an obvious slot to fill. I had the exact same thought earlier today. I am really excited about the incoming talent, and I think the staff will be able to work with the new talent well on the offensive end. Adding a defensive specialist along the lines of Luke Yaklich (I know he's a head coach now, just saying someone like that) would be really beneficial. Aminu (plus Mutombo and the other recruits) gives everybody associated with the program a good reason for optimism going into next year, so we should do everything we can to build on it.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 22, 2020 17:06:42 GMT -5
Ideal coach checklist: 1. Knows defense really well and can drill it (and discipline/communication) into the players' minds and 2. A current or former coach from a DMV high school or local team that can provide connections and appeal to local recruiting talent Might be a pipe dream but if anyone comes close to this then they should get that coach Is this the Aminu thread? Hyped about this young man. I am very hyped as well we were just discussing some ideal changes that could come with Aminu next year to give us the best shot with the time we have with him.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 22, 2020 18:05:34 GMT -5
New talking point is DEFENSIVE COACH. LOL.
Players win games. As good as Big John was he didn’t teach Gene Smith how to play defense.
Players with BALLS & superior athletic talent are coming.
Aminu is AGGRESSIVE. Aminu averaged like 18 REBOUNDS a game at 6’4”. That means he sees ball, he GETS ball. Means he wants it more than the opponent. Jordan is reported to be super aggressive as well.
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 22, 2020 19:00:36 GMT -5
This is neither here nor there with respect to Aminu, but that CBS.com guy Boone on the front page here is wrong when he says Pat "lost" Tremont Waters a few days after Pat was hired in 2017. Tremont decommitted during the Big East FINAL that year/JTII was still our coach (not in the final of course) and was sort of the last straw to 3 needing to go (we finished the year with about 7 straight losses, and Tremont was to be the PG savior...). He decomitted pretty much expressly because the program seemed to be heading nowhere fast (can't remember the exact reason stated on twitter, but it didn't take a GU degree to know what he meant), and his decommitment most of us ultimately thought was all the evidence the the GU powers-that-be then needed for making a change in the Big Chair. Even the JT3 "bitter enders" seemed to realize that AFTER Tremont walked away and BEFORE Pat was hired (Ewing tried to get Tremont to recommit but that effort was plainly DOA/not Pat's fault in the least) As a person sitting in the stands at the Garden watching the final that early evening (Seton Hall I think ended up winning), the Tremont news on twitter was real salt in the wound. As I said, neither here nor there on Aminu, but Boone's factual inaccuracy is both irritating and an unfair sideways swipe at a coach that has plenty of legit criticism to deflect and doesn't need stuff made up about him too ...
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 22, 2020 19:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 22, 2020 19:54:37 GMT -5
Well, you don't sound too happy given your comments in this thread, Double97. Lukewarm at best. I am lukewarm about how much upside this creates if we don’t make some coaching changes. Good players will not be enough. In all seriousness, enough for what? Winning? When are good players not a good thing? I'm not as offended by your constant pessimism as some here, but at some point the cup is more than half-full. Talent and defense are complimentary, not exclusive. Are there signs that our defense could be upgraded by coaching? Sure. Is that a reason to rain on the Aminu parade? Nope.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 22, 2020 20:02:48 GMT -5
I am lukewarm about how much upside this creates if we don’t make some coaching changes. Good players will not be enough. In all seriousness, enough for what? Winning? When are good players not a good thing? I'm not as offended by your constant pessimism as some here, but at some point the cup is more than half-full. Talent and defense are complimentary, not exclusive. Are there signs that our defense could be upgraded by coaching? Sure. Is that a reason to rain on the Aminu parade? Nope. Being better than mediocre. Granted, that would be a huge upgrade from what we’ve seen since Ewing started but I’m pretty sure the expectations are higher. IMO, very good players, which it seems like we might have next year, along with very bad coaching, which it seems we almost certainly will have next year, results in no better than middle of the pack in the BE which is not a cup more than half full.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 22, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -5
Georgetown Coach Patrick Ewing lands first five-star recruit in Aminu Mohammed,by Kyle Melnick, The Washington Post "Sitting in Georgetown Prep’s bleachers in the fall of 2017, Archbishop Carroll boys’ basketball coach Michael Powell realized the potential Aminu Mohammed possessed. Powell had heard from others that Mohammed was a forward, standing 6-foot-5, and wouldn’t play much on the perimeter. But in this AAU game, Powell grabbed a defensive rebound and crossed over a few defenders en route to a coast-to-coast layup. That sequence signaled to Powell that Mohammed, a freshman at the time, could become one of the country’s top guards. Three years later, that’s what Mohammed has become. On Monday, the Class of 2021 recruit from Greenwood Laboratory School in Springfield, Mo., verbally committed to Georgetown, giving the Hoyas their first five-star recruit since Isaac Copeland in 2014 and the first for Coach Patrick Ewing, who took over the program in 2017." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/12/22/aminu-mohammed-georgetown-basketball-recruiting/
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2020 21:51:45 GMT -5
This is neither here nor there with respect to Aminu, but that CBS.com guy Boone on the front page here is wrong when he says Pat "lost" Tremont Waters a few days after he was hired. Tremont decommitted during the Big East FINAL that year/JTII was still our coach (not in the final of course) and was sort of the last straw to 3 needed to go (we finished the year with about 7 straight losses, and Tremont was to be the PG savior...) As I said, neither here nor there on Aminou, but a factually inaccuracy that is irritating...) As a person sitting in the stands at the Garden watching the final (Seton Hall I think ended up winning), the Tremont new on twitter was real salt in the wound... Not accurate. When a player has signed a NLI and then wishes to decommit, that player needs to ask the coach who signed him for a release from that commitment. If the coach does not grant the release, that player will either fulfill his commitment or sit out a year before joining a new team. Tremont told JT3 that he wanted to decommit, but JT3 told him that he was not going to grant his release because he would leave it to the next GU head coach. Then, Pat was hired and he flew to meet with Tremont and his family. Tremont wasn’t convinced and Pat gave him his release.
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Post by hoyajmw on Dec 22, 2020 22:03:22 GMT -5
I believe that is the way the chronology played out-- he had signed the NLI, said he wanted OUT during the Big East final, and Pat wasn't able to later talk him into recommitting AND certainly wasn't willing to hold a kid to a commitment he no longer wanted to keep. And your point is what? That Ewing is still to "blame" for not getting Tremont back into the fold after the dumpster fire that had been created over the last several years? Really, a distinction without a difference in terms of whether Ewing is the one who "lost" Tremont Waters -- which was the point both the CBS writer was trying to make and the one I really wanted to correct.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 22, 2020 22:23:18 GMT -5
I believe that is the way the chronology played out-- he had signed the NLI, said he wanted OUT during the Big East final, and Pat wasn't able to later talk him into recommitting AND certainly wasn't willing to hold a kid to a commitment he no longer wanted to keep. And your point is what? That Ewing is still to "blame" for not getting Tremont back into the fold after the dumpster fire that had been created over the last several years? Really, a distinction without a difference in terms of whether Ewing is the one who "lost" Tremont Waters -- which was the point both the CBS writer was trying to make and the one I really wanted to correct. I was pointing out the facts. I agree with you that Pat did not lose him. GU lost him because it got to the dumpster fire point. As reported, Tremont wanted to get to the League as soon as possible. Joining a team in turmoil was not the right way to reach that goal. When he verballed, we looked like a Tournament contender, then s— happened. Who knows if there was $omething el$e involved.
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Post by Omega on Dec 22, 2020 23:03:58 GMT -5
I came to this thread to read about the new recruit. Y'all need to start a new thread or go get a room.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 23, 2020 5:18:20 GMT -5
Yes, welcome Aminu. You mentioned that you liked and embraced the Hoyas style of play and how Coach Ewing coaches...he coaches hard. He seeks players that are smart, relentless, and follow instructions. He wants to play fast and need players that want to play like that! The best example of the great offense was against Villanova, but the team couldnt/didn't sustain the cohesion in the 2nd half.
When JTII was here the hallmark and signature of his teams was relentless defense. They were a pack of Dawgs and their defense was their offense. It wasn't pretty, it was brutal!!! Gene Smith, Michael Riley, Eric Smith. David Wingate, Michael Graham and coach Ewing come to mind.
Our current players need that kind of mindset and teamwork. Playing together as one. We are not there yet, but I am sure that is what Coach Ewing is seeking. Who, what player(s) will lead the way? It requires team discipline, awareness, quickness and relentless pursuit to win the 50/50 balls.
I don't believe coach Ewing doesn't know how to teach defense. The players haven't drank the kool-aid and done the work collectively. Who has a voice on this? Please out this response wherever it is best served!
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 23, 2020 9:17:55 GMT -5
Fantastic news. A Five Star recruit in Hoyaland. Never say "never."
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