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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 17, 2021 16:01:24 GMT -5
LIC PREDICTS tres will be. Back on campus next semester Nuf said not on topic, but GREAT to see lichoya68 back here
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Oct 17, 2021 16:13:29 GMT -5
LIC PREDICTS tres will be. Back on campus next semester Nuf said not on topic, but GREAT to see lichoya68 back here I agree! Welcome back Lic
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 17:45:26 GMT -5
I feel about Hilltop/Aidan like you feel about Casual. hm To be fair, his "uncle" (do we even know that's his uncle?) was essentially posting the same thing on Twitter. But, clearly this was wrong, or cooler heads prevailed. I mean, the uncle was essentially claiming that the university's statement amounted to defamation, even though it was just a statement of fact that Tre himself would confirm. My guess is that a decision came down, Tre and/or his family was dissatisfied with it, they initially got annoyed, and then realized there was no benefit to saying anything. In the end, Tre's statement was well written and perfect if he has any desire to return, so I think he handled it well. One question. Because Tre King is a senior, does that mean, he has 2 seasons of eligibility left (i.e., this year and the COVID extra year?)? If he came back, does he get the spring semester, and then one more year? Yes. He still has another year of eligibility after this one if he wants it.
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TC
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Post by TC on Oct 17, 2021 18:06:22 GMT -5
I took the article to mean the University informed the Athletic Department(think L. Reed or whoever PE reports to) who then released the statement which "somewhat" surprised the coaching staff. That's where my concern is if true, the Athletic Dept & the staff should always be on the same page... If there's surprise - and who knows if there was or not - the surprise was around the severity of the punishment, not around the timing or path of the information. The idea that someone from the Athletic Department would post a press release containing hot news about basketball program that would catch the coaching staff off guard - without the press release going through seven stages of legal review - is just so ludicrous I can't even consider it. The athletic department is like the Kremlin when it concerns Georgetown Basketball, not TMZ.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Oct 17, 2021 18:58:09 GMT -5
All this chatter,what did he do? Not that it is my business or anyone else's.This is so out of left field!
Also, what is this talk of a secret walk-on? If this is so, why is it a secret?
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Post by prhoya on Oct 17, 2021 21:30:42 GMT -5
So you don’t think a player who scored 25 pts on Xavier last year can be the difference between losing and winning a few games in the Big East after the team lost potential All Big East C Wahab and PF Sibley to transfer, lost SF/PF Pickett and SF/PF Bile to graduation, and has no returning front court player with more than 9 mpg experience? It's called next man up. We don't need one person to give 20pts. We need our guards to be good. If Dante and Aminu aren't good it doesn't matter what Tre or any other front court player does. Guard play decides college bball A balanced team (in all positions and experience) wins in college basketball. We are not balanced. Next man up is the only alternative at this point, but the more 20-pt guys, the better... Btw, I think Pat will have the best set of guards since his return to GU.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 17, 2021 21:49:48 GMT -5
LIC PREDICTS tres will be. Back on campus next semester Nuf said Great to "see" you, lic. I very much hope that this means that you're on the mend and on your way to being 100%. I, for one, missed your presence and your enthusiasm here. I hope that you're getting closer to being back here more often. If that's not the case, I want to send you my best wishes for a full recovery.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 17, 2021 21:58:49 GMT -5
tashoya...what's non sensical is not recognizing that he's a STUDENT-ATHLETE, and neither of those is irrelevant as you put it...therefore, if what has been reported is accurate (that the staff was not communicated with until after the decision/suspension), it would have been very disrespectful of Coach Ewing who has direct responsibilty over his student athletes and absolutely should have been advised of the decision rather than have him learn of it indirectly and after the fact...that puts him in an embarrassing and defensive position totally unnecessarily...as I said before, its not about the University's right to do it, its about respecting those with direct supervision over the kid and doing it the right way...in the military, its called "chain of command." Disagree. If what caused the issue was a student conduct issue, the fact that he's a scholarship athlete becomes irrelevant in assessing consequences, IMO. My point was that he's a student first and foremost. If whatever happened wasn't basketball related, it's a University level issue. Sure, if Patrick has some insight to offer, he should volunteer that. Having said that, I'm not on board with a head coach getting involved in administrative decisions if it's not related to anything regarding the sport. Patrick is responsible for the conduct of his players in terms of his role as a HC, yes. With regard to their lives outside of the gym, he's an advisor. The main responsibility is to the University.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 17, 2021 22:34:39 GMT -5
King very well may have gone in front of a student run adjudication board.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 17, 2021 22:39:51 GMT -5
King very well may have gone in front of a student run adjudication board. Would be surprised if any student board has the power to suspend, but I don’t know.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 17, 2021 23:54:19 GMT -5
King very well may have gone in front of a student run adjudication board. Would be surprised if any student board has the power to suspend, but I don’t know. I can tell you with 100% certainty that when I was a student, at least, the student adjudication boards had the right to set punishment for student conduct violations, and those punishments were decided by students. Of course, adults were involved to some extent, too, but students had authority. I have no idea if it's changed in the last two decades, but it used to be that way.
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Post by vv83 on Oct 18, 2021 6:54:51 GMT -5
King very well may have gone in front of a student run adjudication board. Would be surprised if any student board has the power to suspend, but I don’t know. I ran the judicial system at a number of colleges. Here is how it works at most schools: -a board made up of either students alone or (more often) a mix of students and faculty members/administrators hears cases involving alleged violations of the code of conduct. This board is usually fully empowered to issue any sanction detailed within the school's code of conduct, including suspension (temporary separation from the institution) or expulsion (permanent separation) -a student found responsible of a violation by the board usually has a right to appeal this decision and/or the sanctions issued. At some schools appeals are heard by a separate student/faculty/administrator board. At some schools appeals are heard by an administrator within the division of student affairs. The appeals board/person may confirm the decision of the original hearing board. The appeals board/person may determine that there was a procedural problem with the initial hearing and order a new hearing. Or they may decide that the sanctions issued were excessive/inappropriate for the violation in question, and issue sanctions they find more appropriate. It is likely that Georgetown follows some form of this model.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 18, 2021 7:35:39 GMT -5
Would be surprised if any student board has the power to suspend, but I don’t know. I ran the judicial system at a number of colleges. Here is how it works at most schools: -a board made up of either students alone or (more often) a mix of students and faculty members/administrators hears cases involving alleged violations of the code of conduct. This board is usually fully empowered to issue any sanction detailed within the school's code of conduct, including suspension (temporary separation from the institution) or expulsion (permanent separation) -a student found responsible of a violation by the board usually has a right to appeal this decision and/or the sanctions issued. At some schools appeals are heard by a separate student/faculty/administrator board. At some schools appeals are heard by an administrator within the division of student affairs. The appeals board/person may confirm the decision of the original hearing board. The appeals board/person may determine that there was a procedural problem with the initial hearing and order a new hearing. Or they may decide that the sanctions issued were excessive/inappropriate for the violation in question, and issue sanctions they find more appropriate. It is likely that Georgetown follows some form of this model. Thanks for those insights VV. Luckily (miraculously?) I never experienced the system as an undergrad.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 18, 2021 7:43:42 GMT -5
Would be surprised if any student board has the power to suspend, but I don’t know. I ran the judicial system at a number of colleges. Here is how it works at most schools: -a board made up of either students alone or (more often) a mix of students and faculty members/administrators hears cases involving alleged violations of the code of conduct. This board is usually fully empowered to issue any sanction detailed within the school's code of conduct, including suspension (temporary separation from the institution) or expulsion (permanent separation) -a student found responsible of a violation by the board usually has a right to appeal this decision and/or the sanctions issued. At some schools appeals are heard by a separate student/faculty/administrator board. At some schools appeals are heard by an administrator within the division of student affairs. The appeals board/person may confirm the decision of the original hearing board. The appeals board/person may determine that there was a procedural problem with the initial hearing and order a new hearing. Or they may decide that the sanctions issued were excessive/inappropriate for the violation in question, and issue sanctions they find more appropriate. It is likely that Georgetown follows some form of this model. Good info - thank you
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 18, 2021 7:58:52 GMT -5
Caveat, I know nothing, but I'd add to the mix that most schools (and I'm sure Georgetown is no different) have new disciplinary and adjudication processes for violations of COVID related rules. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if suspension is on the table for violations of those health and safety related policies.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 18, 2021 8:04:33 GMT -5
Caveat, I know nothing, but I'd add to the mix that most schools (and I'm sure Georgetown is no different) have new disciplinary and adjudication processes for violations of COVID related rules. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if suspension is on the table for violations of those health and safety related policies. Great point.
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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 18, 2021 8:41:03 GMT -5
Caveat, I know nothing, but I'd add to the mix that most schools (and I'm sure Georgetown is no different) have new disciplinary and adjudication processes for violations of COVID related rules. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if suspension is on the table for violations of those health and safety related policies. I’m not a Georgetown student but based on my own kids at their schools I’m pretty sure there aren’t still any covid protocols beyond wear a mask to class for him to have violated.
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Post by smokeyjack on Oct 18, 2021 9:48:10 GMT -5
Our disciplinary attrition rate under Pat is disgraceful. Way, way worse than the two State U’s I also follow closely…which is categorically absurd.
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 18, 2021 9:49:12 GMT -5
Tim described the mistake of judgment as ‘inadvertent’ in his post. Not sure how that plays in
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 18, 2021 9:57:23 GMT -5
Caveat, I know nothing, but I'd add to the mix that most schools (and I'm sure Georgetown is no different) have new disciplinary and adjudication processes for violations of COVID related rules. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if suspension is on the table for violations of those health and safety related policies. I’m not a Georgetown student but based on my own kids at their schools I’m pretty sure there aren’t still any covid protocols beyond wear a mask to class for him to have violated. I think that would depend on what city or state the school was in.
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