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Post by jpj on Jul 28, 2021 9:00:53 GMT -5
It's a marketing ploy for sure--those 12 games this coming season cost the same as the 18 games two seasons ago. Or I guess more accurately, your season tickets cost the same for the same number of games as two seasons ago, but you have to do a little extra work to get 1/3 of the tickets, and those tickets might be in a slightly better location if you'd like, but for, like, Longwood. Plus you can get 4 additional tickets for free to those 6 games. Not a huge value, but if all of your tickets are together in a decent location, that’s better than getting a random free ticket behind the basket for a retweet. seems to me 1) if they played a decent and competitive OOC schedule then people would buy tickets and attend those games 2) I believe the cost of these 12 games will be the same cost as all 18 two seasons ago - so your season cost is still the same and they will give you "free" seats to the games no one wants to attend 3) consider it an opportunity to bring your under 5 year olds to a game and not get mad when you have to leave at halftime
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2021 10:07:11 GMT -5
My guess is that it comes down to risk/reward. Georgetown has too much to lose we’re they to lose to George Mason and not enough upside were they to win. Mason is the type of program that can give the Hoyas problems and if they were to lose to such a team, they better not be local. My guess is that it comes down to the contract. Monumental Sports contracts with Georgetown for a minimum number of games per year as part of its contract, with 18 home games in 2019-20. A 20 game Big East season fills 10 of those home games, leaving GU to commit to eight home games in the remaining 11 games allowed in the regular season. --Georgetown has one MTE (multi-team event or pre-season tournament), which counts as a single game against the 31 game regular season; --Georgetown has a contractual road game for either the Big Ten or Big 12 series; and --Georgetown has a contractual road game for South Carolina which will be returned in 2022-23 when GU goes on the road at Syracuse. Because of this, it suggests Georgetown must play all its remaining games at Capital One Arena. That's fine for AU and Howard, but George Mason may also have to play a minimum number of games at EagleBank Arena per its management agreement, because Monumental Sports manages GMU's contract with EagleBank Arena. GMU has an MTE in Sioux Falls, SD, road games at Maryland and Georgia, and a contracted home and home with James Madison--all its other games are at home, including the likes of Navy, American and Coppin State.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jul 28, 2021 10:11:42 GMT -5
Plus you can get 4 additional tickets for free to those 6 games. Not a huge value, but if all of your tickets are together in a decent location, that’s better than getting a random free ticket behind the basket for a retweet. seems to me 1) if they played a decent and competitive OOC schedule then people would buy tickets and attend those games 2) I believe the cost of these 12 games will be the same cost as all 18 two seasons ago - so your season cost is still the same and they will give you "free" seats to the games no one wants to attend 3) consider it an opportunity to bring your under 5 year olds to a game and not get mad when you have to leave at halftime It is clear that YOU don't want to attend some Hoyas games but since there are thousands of "no one" fans that DO attend Nov/Dec games, perhaps you should avoid generalizing?
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Post by jpj on Jul 28, 2021 10:13:03 GMT -5
I am not a Georgetown Graduate But I love College Basketball
This will be my 10th year as a GT Partial Season Ticket Holder
2 years ago the GT Ticket office called me to sell me the upgrade to STH
I declined and said I would consider a Big East Season Ticket Package but the OOC schedule is weak and i wouldnt be willing to pay to see those teams, let alone the Metro and parking fees to get to the Cap One Center.
I suspect that the number of STH have been dropping over the last 5 years and this is one effort to get them back.
I hope this goes well as that GT starts to up the quality of the OOC schedule, assuming that the program continues to improve.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 28, 2021 11:11:10 GMT -5
I am not a Georgetown Graduate But I love College Basketball This will be my 10th year as a GT Partial Season Ticket Holder 2 years ago the GT Ticket office called me to sell me the upgrade to STH I declined and said I would consider a Big East Season Ticket Package but the OOC schedule is weak and i wouldnt be willing to pay to see those teams, let alone the Metro and parking fees to get to the Cap One Center. I suspect that the number of STH have been dropping over the last 5 years and this is one effort to get them back. I hope this goes well as that GT starts to up the quality of the OOC schedule, assuming that the program continues to improve. Understandable and glad to have you as part of the fam. Winning really is the solution to a lot of these problems lol. But yeah hopefully everything goes wel this season and we can improve the ooc next year with a more aged very talented squad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 13:47:31 GMT -5
I am not a Georgetown Graduate But I love College Basketball This will be my 10th year as a GT Partial Season Ticket Holder 2 years ago the GT Ticket office called me to sell me the upgrade to STH I declined and said I would consider a Big East Season Ticket Package but the OOC schedule is weak and i wouldnt be willing to pay to see those teams, let alone the Metro and parking fees to get to the Cap One Center. I suspect that the number of STH have been dropping over the last 5 years and this is one effort to get them back. I hope this goes well as that GT starts to up the quality of the OOC schedule, assuming that the program continues to improve. Happy to have you as part of the good guys ... and before you get bashed by others, "GT" is Georgia Tech. Acceptable: GU (although Gonzaga kind of owns this now) Hoyas Gtown (some hate that) or Preppies if you wish
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 28, 2021 17:16:39 GMT -5
The Georgetown Athletic Department finally does some marketing and it's to lie to season ticket holders. It's a smack in the face to roll out this pathetic home OOC schedule to the fans and then pull this crap to make it seem like it's a bonus.
It seems that Ewing has constructed the OOC to match what he thinks of the upcoming team. This OOC is awful. I guess the Navy loss scared him. The key is to schedule a bunch of tier 2 and 3 games and if you lose 1 or 2 then it's fine as it gets covered up by the wins. Scheduling mostly tier 4 cupcake home games is just a bad strategy. If we don't beat SDSU and get to play USC its likely going to look real bad come decision time if we are on the bubble. The committee has made it clear what they want to see.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 28, 2021 17:34:16 GMT -5
The Georgetown Athletic Department finally does some marketing and it's to lie to season ticket holders. It's a smack in the face to roll out this pathetic home OOC schedule to the fans and then pull this crap to make it seem like it's a bonus. It seems that Ewing has constructed the OOC to match what he thinks of the upcoming team. This OOC is awful. I guess the Navy loss scared him. The key is to schedule a bunch of tier 2 and 3 games and if you lose 1 or 2 then it's fine as it gets covered up by the wins. Scheduling mostly tier 4 cupcake home games is just a bad strategy. If we don't beat SDSU and get to play USC its likely going to look real bad come decision time if we are on the bubble. The committee has made it clear what they want to see. I disagree. He has the OOC Tournament with two tournament teams, the interleague Challenge, the visit to SC and the annual Syracuse game (probably another tournament team). The first three games are set up perfectly to integrate 7(?) new and important players before facing a potential tournament team. On paper, the first three games are progressively tougher, which is a great set-up for the SDSU game. Then, it's one cupcake followed by a better opponent, rinse and repeat, until the BE season, which should give the coaching staff the opportunity to fine-tune between tougher opponents. I like it, but we cannot lose 3 games.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 28, 2021 21:26:25 GMT -5
The Georgetown Athletic Department finally does some marketing and it's to lie to season ticket holders. It's a smack in the face to roll out this pathetic home OOC schedule to the fans and then pull this crap to make it seem like it's a bonus. It seems that Ewing has constructed the OOC to match what he thinks of the upcoming team. This OOC is awful. I guess the Navy loss scared him. The key is to schedule a bunch of tier 2 and 3 games and if you lose 1 or 2 then it's fine as it gets covered up by the wins. Scheduling mostly tier 4 cupcake home games is just a bad strategy. If we don't beat SDSU and get to play USC its likely going to look real bad come decision time if we are on the bubble. The committee has made it clear what they want to see. It's not mostly Quad 4 cupcakes. Based on Last year's NET Quad 1 Games: N vs. San Diego St (Potentially N vs. USC) Quad 2 Games: H vs. Cuse @ South Carolina Quad 3 Games: H vs. UMBC H vs. TCU H vs. Sienna Quad 4 Games: H Vs. American H Vs. Howard H Vs. Longwood (Potentially N vs. St. Joes) But it's also a pretty big fool's errand to try and predict this years NET based on last year especially given how screwy last year was. But you are right that we really need to beat SDSU.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 29, 2021 11:18:57 GMT -5
Best post you’ve ever made 😂😂😂 LOL...but it's a true story! Hahaha Ahahahaha! Exactly, the truth makes for the best stories.
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Post by rockhoya on Jul 29, 2021 11:19:24 GMT -5
LOL...but it's a true story! Hahaha Ahahahaha! Amusing...again...since both of you are too dense to comprehend I was defending the mods on this board because the 2 of you get your feelings hurt every time any poster doesn't say how wonderful your opinion is and expect people to be removed from the board...put your big boy pants on... Hope your delicate soul can take that Hahahahahahah projection is a real thing.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 29, 2021 18:10:06 GMT -5
The Georgetown Athletic Department finally does some marketing and it's to lie to season ticket holders. It's a smack in the face to roll out this pathetic home OOC schedule to the fans and then pull this crap to make it seem like it's a bonus. It seems that Ewing has constructed the OOC to match what he thinks of the upcoming team. This OOC is awful. I guess the Navy loss scared him. The key is to schedule a bunch of tier 2 and 3 games and if you lose 1 or 2 then it's fine as it gets covered up by the wins. Scheduling mostly tier 4 cupcake home games is just a bad strategy. If we don't beat SDSU and get to play USC its likely going to look real bad come decision time if we are on the bubble. The committee has made it clear what they want to see. It's not mostly Quad 4 cupcakes. Based on Last year's NET Quad 1 Games: N vs. San Diego St (Potentially N vs. USC) Quad 2 Games: H vs. Cuse @ South Carolina Quad 3 Games: H vs. UMBC H vs. TCU H vs. Sienna Quad 4 Games: H Vs. American H Vs. Howard H Vs. Longwood (Potentially N vs. St. Joes) But it's also a pretty big fool's errand to try and predict this years NET based on last year especially given how screwy last year was. But you are right that we really need to beat SDSU. Technically you are right but I doubt UMBC or Sienna end up as Tier 3 last year if it was a normal season. They were near bottom of Tier 3 and the extra games would have likely hurt them. There is also no Dartmouth in there and I am not going to pretend to know what they have this year but I would wager they end up Tier 4.
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 29, 2021 18:31:42 GMT -5
The Georgetown Athletic Department finally does some marketing and it's to lie to season ticket holders. It's a smack in the face to roll out this pathetic home OOC schedule to the fans and then pull this crap to make it seem like it's a bonus. It seems that Ewing has constructed the OOC to match what he thinks of the upcoming team. This OOC is awful. I guess the Navy loss scared him. The key is to schedule a bunch of tier 2 and 3 games and if you lose 1 or 2 then it's fine as it gets covered up by the wins. Scheduling mostly tier 4 cupcake home games is just a bad strategy. If we don't beat SDSU and get to play USC its likely going to look real bad come decision time if we are on the bubble. The committee has made it clear what they want to see. I disagree. He has the OOC Tournament with two tournament teams, the interleague Challenge, the visit to SC and the annual Syracuse game (probably another tournament team). The first three games are set up perfectly to integrate 7(?) new and important players before facing a potential tournament team. On paper, the first three games are progressively tougher, which is a great set-up for the SDSU game. Then, it's one cupcake followed by a better opponent, rinse and repeat, until the BE season, which should give the coaching staff the opportunity to fine-tune between tougher opponents. I like it, but we cannot lose 3 games. We are talking about different things. You are talking about what prepares the team best to win in the Big East. I have my thoughts on this but there is no right answer so I won't debate that. I am talking about rewarding fans and giving us the best chance to make the tournament as an at large. Outside of the 2 "contracted" home games against Cuse and TCU it's all cupcakes. Pretty much every team is doing a preseason tournament now so I am not going to give credit for us playing in one. We had 6 home spots to fill and it's all cupcakes. In my opinion 3 is all you need and should schedule if you only have 11 OOC games. Not only for the fans but for the committee. We often talk about how we are losing fans. There won't be a home game that any fans care about until December 11. We don't how good South Carolina and TCU are going to be but they are predicted to be bottom of conference non tournament teams. I understand we had no control over TCU game. We did know that neither team is supposed to be good yet we still went with 6 cupcakes. Unless this team is better than most of us think we are hoping to be battling for a bubble spot. This OOC does does us no favors in the NET or in the eyes of the committee who like teams that schedule tough.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 29, 2021 19:22:29 GMT -5
If we are right on the bubble then we might be in trouble against anyone who didn't schedule a bunch of Q3 and 4 wins at home as well
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Post by prhoya on Jul 29, 2021 21:12:41 GMT -5
I disagree. He has the OOC Tournament with two tournament teams, the interleague Challenge, the visit to SC and the annual Syracuse game (probably another tournament team). The first three games are set up perfectly to integrate 7(?) new and important players before facing a potential tournament team. On paper, the first three games are progressively tougher, which is a great set-up for the SDSU game. Then, it's one cupcake followed by a better opponent, rinse and repeat, until the BE season, which should give the coaching staff the opportunity to fine-tune between tougher opponents. I like it, but we cannot lose 3 games. We are talking about different things. You are talking about what prepares the team best to win in the Big East. I have my thoughts on this but there is no right answer so I won't debate that. I am talking about rewarding fans and giving us the best chance to make the tournament as an at large. Outside of the 2 "contracted" home games against Cuse and TCU it's all cupcakes. Pretty much every team is doing a preseason tournament now so I am not going to give credit for us playing in one. We had 6 home spots to fill and it's all cupcakes. In my opinion 3 is all you need and should schedule if you only have 11 OOC games. Not only for the fans but for the committee. We often talk about how we are losing fans. There won't be a home game that any fans care about until December 11. We don't how good South Carolina and TCU are going to be but they are predicted to be bottom of conference non tournament teams. I understand we had no control over TCU game. We did know that neither team is supposed to be good yet we still went with 6 cupcakes. Unless this team is better than most of us think we are hoping to be battling for a bubble spot. This OOC does does us no favors in the NET or in the eyes of the committee who like teams that schedule tough. I understand what you’re saying and generally I would favor a tougher OOC, but I think this is the best possible OOC schedule for next year’s team (with so many new faces who will need to play important roles) to get ready for the tougher OOC games and the BE. I see a schedule carefully planned to have cupcake games in between tougher games. This will give the coaching staff and the team time to iron out wrinkles before the BE season. I think 9-2 in the OOC and a .500 BE record gets us into the NCAAT. Anyway, time will tell.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 30, 2021 10:55:03 GMT -5
All good points above. To me, the key is really beating SDSU not only because it would give us a nice OOC win, but also because we would get the chance at USC. I would much rather have that game, and lose, than play St. Joseph's and win. The other thing we can hope for is that programs like South Carolina and TCU improve this year over last, which would give us some help too.
Last year was TCU's worse year by far under Dixon. Dixon's TCU teams have been 29, 24, 40, 86, and 140. If Dixon can revert back even to 2019 or 2020 form, to a top 100 team, that would make that game a lot better for us.
South Carolian is similar. Last year, they were 124, but the previous several years, they were 69, 70, 80, 24, 58, 63 (and then 209 and 112 Martin's first two years).
So, based on history, I would say there's a fair chance that one of those two programs will improve on last year, thereby improving our Strength of Schedule. I hope so.
Syracuse has been stuck in the 40-55ish area for several years now, and I know nothing about their recruiting, but it doesn't seem like they're likely to be much better than that. It is interesting how Syracuse's decline largely coincides with leaving the Big East. They've made a few NCAA appearances, but really not had a great team since leaving.
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Post by seaweed on Jul 30, 2021 12:09:25 GMT -5
Just beat ‘cues and everything will be OK
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 30, 2021 12:43:06 GMT -5
Just beat ‘cues and everything will be OK Genuinely like gotta beat Cuse or SDSU (so get at least 9 wins) and I’ll be totally fine with this ooc
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 30, 2021 15:02:58 GMT -5
All good points above. To me, the key is really beating SDSU not only because it would give us a nice OOC win, but also because we would get the chance at USC. I would much rather have that game, and lose, than play St. Joseph's and win. The other thing we can hope for is that programs like South Carolina and TCU improve this year over last, which would give us some help too. Last year was TCU's worse year by far under Dixon. Dixon's TCU teams have been 29, 24, 40, 86, and 140. If Dixon can revert back even to 2019 or 2020 form, to a top 100 team, that would make that game a lot better for us. South Carolian is similar. Last year, they were 124, but the previous several years, they were 69, 70, 80, 24, 58, 63 (and then 209 and 112 Martin's first two years). So, based on history, I would say there's a fair chance that one of those two programs will improve on last year, thereby improving our Strength of Schedule. I hope so. Syracuse has been stuck in the 40-55ish area for several years now, and I know nothing about their recruiting, but it doesn't seem like they're likely to be much better than that. It is interesting how Syracuse's decline largely coincides with leaving the Big East. They've made a few NCAA appearances, but really not had a great team since leaving. I could see both being better than last year but I doubt either is a tournament team. They are both probably around our range as they have some decent returning players mixed with a lot of transfers so you never know how it turns out. If they can both get back to Top 75 teams that would be great. Those games are fine. If I had to guess right now we will play two OOC tournament teams. Lose them and our resume looks bleak. Add that to an expected down year in the Big East and 10-10 might not even get it done. Its all the home cupcakes that are the killer. We talk about how we may get left behind in NIL because we don't have the home fan base enthusiasm. How can you expect local fans or local business to get enthused when our home games will be 1/4 full because the casual fans could care less about cupcakes.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 30, 2021 15:12:18 GMT -5
All good points above. To me, the key is really beating SDSU not only because it would give us a nice OOC win, but also because we would get the chance at USC. I would much rather have that game, and lose, than play St. Joseph's and win. The other thing we can hope for is that programs like South Carolina and TCU improve this year over last, which would give us some help too. Last year was TCU's worse year by far under Dixon. Dixon's TCU teams have been 29, 24, 40, 86, and 140. If Dixon can revert back even to 2019 or 2020 form, to a top 100 team, that would make that game a lot better for us. South Carolian is similar. Last year, they were 124, but the previous several years, they were 69, 70, 80, 24, 58, 63 (and then 209 and 112 Martin's first two years). So, based on history, I would say there's a fair chance that one of those two programs will improve on last year, thereby improving our Strength of Schedule. I hope so. Syracuse has been stuck in the 40-55ish area for several years now, and I know nothing about their recruiting, but it doesn't seem like they're likely to be much better than that. It is interesting how Syracuse's decline largely coincides with leaving the Big East. They've made a few NCAA appearances, but really not had a great team since leaving. I could see both being better than last year but I doubt either is a tournament team. They are both probably around our range as they have some decent returning players mixed with a lot of transfers so you never know how it turns out. If they can both get back to Top 75 teams that would be great. Those games are fine. If I had to guess right now we will play two OOC tournament teams. Lose them and our resume looks bleak. Add that to an expected down year in the Big East and 10-10 might not even get it done. Its all the home cupcakes that are the killer. We talk about how we may get left behind in NIL because we don't have the home fan base enthusiasm. How can you expect local fans or local business to get enthused when our home games will be 1/4 full because the casual fans could care less about cupcakes. Just from glances at others, we would need to get very lucky to make it in at large going with 9 wins from this considering strength of schedules and losing to both tournament teams and I don’t even know if it is likely we can get 10 wins in the BE this year
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