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Post by blueandgray on Mar 3, 2021 3:27:30 GMT -5
In years past, it seemed like we would rack up fouls (and turnovers) and an alarmingly high rate. It just felt like with 8 or 9 minutes left in the half the opponent was already in the bonus or we’d have to sit guys due to early foul trouble. Jessie Govan comes to mind.
Over the last 6 wins, in 5 of those wins we fouled less than the other team and only in our win against Creighton did we match their foul total. In all, this points to much improved defense, guys moving their feet and not using their hands to defend, and represents another area where Ewing used to get criticized but now has clearly made adjustments.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 3, 2021 9:22:34 GMT -5
In years past, it seemed like we would rack up fouls (and turnovers) and an alarmingly high rate. It just felt like with 8 or 9 minutes left in the half the opponent was already in the bonus or we’d have to sit guys due to early foul trouble. Jessie Govan comes to mind. Over the last 6 wins, in 5 of those wins we fouled less than the other team and only in our win against Creighton did we match their foul total. In all, this points to much improved defense, guys moving their feet and not using their hands to defend, and represents another area where Ewing used to get criticized but now has clearly made adjustments. It’s great to see. We’ve gotten killed on this since they changed the rules in what feels like almost a decade ago. I wonder if there was a specific change or two?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 3, 2021 9:32:48 GMT -5
Guys are definitely moving their feet and not reaching on defense, but I would also add two things: really bringing down the number of stupid offensive fouls in the post and on moving screens (1 last night, but generally much better) and the haphazard fly-bys on perimeter closeouts (none I can remember last night).
Agree that those are correctable things that appear to have been worked on by the staff that they should get credit for.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 11, 2021 15:07:22 GMT -5
We continue this streak of fouling less than the opponent. Out of the last 10 games...9 with fewer fouls and 1 tie. Seems like a recipe for success. To do that against Nova is saying something.
Well done coach!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 11, 2021 20:17:02 GMT -5
Amazing what moving feet on defense can do, isn’t it?
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 12, 2021 9:10:44 GMT -5
Amazing what moving feet on defense can do, isn’t it? It really is amazing how the staff has coached these guys up to play good defense without fouling. With the freedom of movement rules in the college basketball these days it is not an easy thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 9:22:07 GMT -5
This is more of a personnel issue than anything else.
I'm willing to give Pat credit for things he deserves credit for - but this ain't it.
We've been good every year (fouls v opponent fouls) under Pat and the last two years we've fouled even less as a team b/c of our smaller lineups.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 12, 2021 9:22:52 GMT -5
Amazing what moving feet on defense can do, isn’t it? MOVE!!!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 12, 2021 9:31:49 GMT -5
This is more of a personnel issue than anything else. I'm willing to give Pat credit for things he deserves credit for - but this ain't it. We've been good every year (fouls v opponent fouls) under Pat and the last two years we've fouled even less as a team b/c of our smaller lineups. Many have pointed out here that Pat is in charge of personnel. Just saying.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 9:36:42 GMT -5
This is more of a personnel issue than anything else. I'm willing to give Pat credit for things he deserves credit for - but this ain't it. We've been good every year (fouls v opponent fouls) under Pat and the last two years we've fouled even less as a team b/c of our smaller lineups. I see your point but guys have undeniably improved under Pat. Jamarko struggled early on in his career with early fouls but has improved significantly along the way. We used to also foul perimeter jump shooters regularly....that doesn’t happen nearly as much anymore. It’s much more than just a “personnel” thing. And should it happen just to be a personnel thing...then he deserves credit for that. But one thing for darn sure that you have to give him credit for is for cleaning up the fouls with this “smaller lineup” while still leading the BE in rebounding. Somewhere here you have to give the man some credit. Hoyatalk never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 9:46:48 GMT -5
This is more of a personnel issue than anything else. I'm willing to give Pat credit for things he deserves credit for - but this ain't it. We've been good every year (fouls v opponent fouls) under Pat and the last two years we've fouled even less as a team b/c of our smaller lineups. Many have pointed out here that Pat is in charge of personnel. Just saying. Who exactly was he going to play last year? What other options (besides switching Bile for Carey) did he have this year? Blair & Pickett are very hands-off defenders (i.e. they don't commit many fouls). JP at the 4 - a development as of last year - has very low numbers for that spot. Now (and last year) they're getting 30-40 minutes a piece nightly. It's pretty simple math.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 10:12:34 GMT -5
Many have pointed out here that Pat is in charge of personnel. Just saying. Who exactly was he going to play last year? What other options (besides switching Bile for Carey) did he have this year? Blair & Pickett are very hands-off defenders (i.e. they don't commit many fouls). JP at the 4 - a development as of last year - has very low numbers for that spot. Now (and last year) they're getting 30-40 minutes a piece nightly. It's pretty simple math. Okay...so it’s just dumb luck and math. It has nothing to do with coaching or player development.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 10:18:06 GMT -5
This is more of a personnel issue than anything else. I'm willing to give Pat credit for things he deserves credit for - but this ain't it. We've been good every year (fouls v opponent fouls) under Pat and the last two years we've fouled even less as a team b/c of our smaller lineups. I see your point but guys have undeniably improved under Pat. Jamarko struggled early on in his career with early fouls but has improved significantly along the way. We used to also foul perimeter jump shooters regularly....that doesn’t happen nearly as much anymore. It’s much more than just a “personnel” thing. And should it happen just to be a personnel thing...then he deserves credit for that. But one thing for darn sure that you have to give him credit for is for cleaning up the fouls with this “smaller lineup” while still leading the BE in rebounding. Somewhere here you have to give the man some credit. Hoyatalk never ceases to amaze me. All of your points are anecdotal, though. And mostly incorrect. Jamorko is committing exactly the same amount of fouls as he did in his 1st year. It was a lot for a SG (where he was nominally in '18)... and very low for a 4 (where he's played the majority of the last 2 seasons). Smaller guys & experienced guys tend to commit less fouls than their counterparts (big, young) statistically. These last two years, we've played a majority of 3 guard lineups (Allen/Blair/Mosely & Harris/Blair/Carey) and upperclassmen -- b/c we had to. Our total fouls as a team are down from 17.7 ('18), 17.6 ('19) to 16.0 ('20) and 16.2 ('21). Rebounding is a different discussion. There's ample evidence to suggest (statistically) that the C/PF stats are far & away the most important positions when it comes to determining a team's ability to rebound & block shots (makes sense). More specifically the height of those 2 players (see on KP - Effective Height). JP is tall/long. Our centers are all huge kids. We are #15 in the country in Effective Height. It makes sense that we're a good rebounding team and we block a decent amount of shots. If your eyes have glazed over by now, it comes down to this... there are statistics & outcomes that are probably gonna happen regardless of coaching (fouls, FT%, Def rebounds, etc) and there are other, more nuanced discussions we have here all the time about player development and coaching aptitude. And yes - some of the former (are we fouling a lot? are we getting beaten on the boards?) is going to be affected by the roster the coach puts together and the one he ends up putting on the floor (the 2nd part above). But not this year or last. Coach has been forced to play the shortened rotations he's been stuck with. I think Pat has done a GREAT job, and this year has been the best of the bunch. If anything at this point, he's proven he can overachieve with lesser talent (3 of 4 years of beating the BE preseason polls + 1 roster implosion). Now he needs to show he can win consistently with better talent against better teams. I'm confident we're moving towards this.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 16:12:04 GMT -5
I see your point but guys have undeniably improved under Pat. Jamarko struggled early on in his career with early fouls but has improved significantly along the way. We used to also foul perimeter jump shooters regularly....that doesn’t happen nearly as much anymore. It’s much more than just a “personnel” thing. And should it happen just to be a personnel thing...then he deserves credit for that. But one thing for darn sure that you have to give him credit for is for cleaning up the fouls with this “smaller lineup” while still leading the BE in rebounding. Somewhere here you have to give the man some credit. Hoyatalk never ceases to amaze me. All of your points are anecdotal, though. And mostly incorrect. Jamorko is committing exactly the same amount of fouls as he did in his 1st year. It was a lot for a SG (where he was nominally in '18)... and very low for a 4 (where he's played the majority of the last 2 seasons). Smaller guys & experienced guys tend to commit less fouls than their counterparts (big, young) statistically. These last two years, we've played a majority of 3 guard lineups (Allen/Blair/Mosely & Harris/Blair/Carey) and upperclassmen -- b/c we had to. Our total fouls as a team are down from 17.7 ('18), 17.6 ('19) to 16.0 ('20) and 16.2 ('21). Rebounding is a different discussion. There's ample evidence to suggest (statistically) that the C/PF stats are far & away the most important positions when it comes to determining a team's ability to rebound & block shots (makes sense). More specifically the height of those 2 players (see on KP - Effective Height). JP is tall/long. Our centers are all huge kids. We are #15 in the country in Effective Height. It makes sense that we're a good rebounding team and we block a decent amount of shots. If your eyes have glazed over by now, it comes down to this... there are statistics & outcomes that are probably gonna happen regardless of coaching (fouls, FT%, Def rebounds, etc) and there are other, more nuanced discussions we have here all the time about player development and coaching aptitude. And yes - some of the former (are we fouling a lot? are we getting beaten on the boards?) is going to be affected by the roster the coach puts together and the one he ends up putting on the floor (the 2nd part above). But not this year or last. Coach has been forced to play the shortened rotations he's been stuck with. I think Pat has done a GREAT job, and this year has been the best of the bunch. If anything at this point, he's proven he can overachieve with lesser talent (3 of 4 years of beating the BE preseason polls + 1 roster implosion). Now he needs to show he can win consistently with better talent against better teams. I'm confident we're moving towards this. So you don’t give Ewing credit for fouling less than our opponents in 9 of 10 games. Out of curiosity....what do give him credit for?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 12, 2021 17:27:40 GMT -5
Fouling was clearly out of control in the late JT3 era, so much so, that I think reversing that alone would have probably lead to much better outcomes. After the rule changes in 2013, JT3 never figured it out on defense, and our fouling rates were ridiculous.
The last three years of JT3, we were ranked 306, 341, and 246 in FT rate (for defense), which is typically used to demonstrate how much a defense is fouling. In Ewing's years it has been 51, 109, 46, and 52. While this doesn't mean our defense got better (it didn't overall), this is one area where the team saw improvement almost immediately after Ewing took over. And, a key one, because you simply cannot win games when you go into every game spotting the other team tons of easy points.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 21:46:05 GMT -5
We did it again. 10 out of last 11.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 12, 2021 21:50:47 GMT -5
We did it again. 10 out of last 11. And it’s hard to imagine at Pickett’s absolute shutdown defense on Mamu was just a result of being in a different position.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 12, 2021 22:13:46 GMT -5
We did it again. 10 out of last 11. And it’s hard to imagine at Pickett’s absolute shutdown defense on Mamu was just a result of being in a different position. The whole argument was stupid...he went into a rabbit hole he couldn’t get out of.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 12, 2021 22:15:00 GMT -5
We did it again. 10 out of last 11. And it’s hard to imagine at Pickett’s absolute shutdown defense on Mamu was just a result of being in a different position. Welcome to the game of basketball 😄🤗. It's a game of inches and positioning is key!!!! If you have more guys attacking the ball, you'll win more often then not!! The guys are doing it this year and just need to keep it going!!
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 13, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -5
We did it again....11 out of 12.
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