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Post by jwp91 on Feb 7, 2021 17:30:50 GMT -5
Awaiting an essay about a true point guard...
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 7, 2021 17:34:13 GMT -5
I agree with coach Ewing. Hoyas will take the game to win. But coach might have to get ejected as well. These refs are helping teams like Nova stay in games and win.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 17:34:56 GMT -5
Honestly I donāt get this critique. You canāt take everything away and if you are going to pick a player on Nova you want to force to beat you, itās Samuels. I agree. I just find it odd that it seems to happen to us more than we ever do it to other teams. I remember Dante this year and Tre against Butler or Xavier a few years back. Most times when we win it's because our leaders lead.... Samuels always plays well against us. I bet he's back to 10pts and 8rebs their next game.... Gotcha, but I think that's more perception than reality tbh. I'll give you an example. Jahvon has had some big time games his first 3 seasons at Georgetown but up until this year his career average was probably around 8 pts per game. We know Jahvon can go off so to us when he exploded it wasn't a surprise, but if you were a fan of another team and he drops 25 you probably think- How do you let Blair go off like that?
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Post by saxagael on Feb 7, 2021 17:35:44 GMT -5
Honestly I donāt get this critique. You canāt take everything away and if you are going to pick a player on Nova you want to force to beat you, itās Samuels. In the first game against Nova - we built the 18 point lead using the same strategy. We had Q playing off Samuel to protect the lane and to keep Samuel from driving past him. Samuel could not hit anything. He missed a whole bunch of open 3s as we built the big lead. We took everything else away and dared them to beat us with Samuel shooting wide open 3s. It worked because Samuel usually is not a very good 3 point shooter (8-26 going into the game today!) Nova did not start their comeback in that first game until they took out Samuel for Swider - who we had to defend more honestly, because he can shoot. Once Nova made this switch late in the first half, they began to get their offense going. Swider did not kill us, but he scored a few points. The big impact was that we had to pull a big out of the lane because you can't leave Swider wide open. This unlocked Nova's offense - it allowed them to spread the court with an open lane - and they diced us up from there. Today - Samuel hit all the open 3s that he missed in the first game. If we play a traditional big, we don't have a lot of other options for defending Villanova. The question is - do we gain enough with Q offensively to make up for the issues we'll have defensively with Q on the court against Nova (or any team that can play 5-out offense). I think Ewing figured out fairly quickly the Tim and Wilson were not going to work either. Tim only got a second stint in the game when Dixon (who is a more traditional low post big) came into the game. In the second half, we played small any time Q needed a rest. It is tough for any team with a good traditional big to defend a talented 5-out offense. You either play the big and hope he can outscore the problems he creates defensively. Or you go small, but in doing so put one of your top players on the bench for much of the game. There simply are not many bigs that can defend effectively against a good 5-out offense. This dynamic is one of the main reasons for Villanova's success in their current run as a perennial championship contender. The small ball team in the first have had a rather good run with Sibley in and Wahab out. A long Pickett, Bile, and Sibley front covering a 5 out team defended well. The down side was Nova shifted too playing in to draw Sibley in where he is out muscled right now. This looked good though. A Dante and Blair or Carey with these three could be a decent small ball defense with good rebounding and transition ball. Today when run Bile was in foul trouble so wasn't quite a good test of it, but I really want to see this run again.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 7, 2021 17:38:28 GMT -5
A solid 40 minutes of effort, probably the best performance against a top-flight opponent since the West Virginia game. Would have been a classic before a full house at the Wells Fargo Center, but such are not the times we live in.
Opportunities:
1. No one in the Big East has stopped Qudus Wahab in the last three games and that's great for his confidence...but Ewing HAS to go to him late. He had two touches in the final five minutes of play while we loaded up on the Blair artillery (0 for 4 from three down the stretch). Even if Wahab is fouled, a 73% foul shooter is a better play than Blair's 34% from three, and likely would have put Robinson-Earl in foul trouble. (JRE had two fouls in 38 mins. of play).
2. Jamorko Pickett finally, finally has the confidence to drive inside. If he never took another three and just went inside I'd be happy, not only for his equally inconsistent three point shot but that his inside play is a higher possession scoring attempt (basket or fouls, as he's an 80% free throw shooter in Big East play).
3. Unforced errors are way, way down. Villanova was only a +1 in points off turnovers.
Challenges:
1. This team is an easy mark for the ball fake, and cost them too many points on the margin.
2. Grad transfers have a shelf life. Bile is getting more touches but is he slow to the ball and fouls will continue to limit his play defensively. Carey is down to 6.8 ppg after back to back 19 point games vs. St. John's. Ewing is all-in on the older lineups but I really hoped Sibley, Clark and Berger would have been able to contribute by this point. They didn't, and everyone knows it.
3. I'm still a big fan of Tim Ighoefe but... he is looking like a 2020 version of Jameel Watkins out there. If he's going to continue to lumber in the post, Malcolm Wilson needs the run instead. Wilson has limited skills but the intensity is there.
Finally, Blair should have been called for the intentional foul. Grabbing a jersey is intentional, period. A senior doing it is unnecessary, especially in a five point game and a minute to play.
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Post by hoya59er on Feb 7, 2021 17:41:18 GMT -5
We are definitely playing a whole lot better. The refs certainly favored Nova. That is not an excuse, simply a fact! I'd like to see Pickett get more than 8 shots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 17:41:23 GMT -5
Honestly I donāt get this critique. You canāt take everything away and if you are going to pick a player on Nova you want to force to beat you, itās Samuels. Whenever a player is red hot, like Samuels, the opposition has to adjust. No way around it. Deny him the ball on the perimeter, play extra close to him... This game reminded me of the S. Bey game when he made 8 of 10 3s and we couldnāt stop him from getting the ball on the perimeter. Pat didnāt adjust and he had a career day. I know he was shooting over shorter players, but the defense in that situation has to start by getting close to him and denying him the comfortable pass. But, we were helping somewhere else and getting to him late... I kind of agree, and kind of don't. I think most coaches would live with Samuels being the guy forced to beat you. He had a career night, but even when he started out hot I'd be lying if i thought he could keep it up for 40 minutes. I also don't think Q is capable of defending that way and he definitely can't guard JRE.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2021 17:45:25 GMT -5
I agree. I just find it odd that it seems to happen to us more than we ever do it to other teams. I remember Dante this year and Tre against Butler or Xavier a few years back. Most times when we win it's because our leaders lead.... Samuels always plays well against us. I bet he's back to 10pts and 8rebs their next game.... Gotcha, but I think that's more perception than reality tbh. I'll give you an example. Jahvon has had some big time games his first 3 seasons at Georgetown but up until this year his career average was probably around 8 pts per game. We know Jahvon can go off so to us when he exploded it wasn't a surprise, but if you were a fan of another team and he drops 25 you probably think- How do you let Blair go off like that? Blair is not the 4th scoring option on this yearās team. In his career, heās only had one 30-pt team and it was last year vs DePaul when he was one of the main scoring options after the Great Exodus and the injuries. Itās not the same. When do we have players go off like that?
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Post by saxagael on Feb 7, 2021 17:49:07 GMT -5
Whenever a player is red hot, like Samuels, the opposition has to adjust. No way around it. Deny him the ball on the perimeter, play extra close to him... This game reminded me of the S. Bey game when he made 8 of 10 3s and we couldnāt stop him from getting the ball on the perimeter. Pat didnāt adjust and he had a career day. I know he was shooting over shorter players, but the defense in that situation has to start by getting close to him and denying him the comfortable pass. But, we were helping somewhere else and getting to him late... The difference is Bey did that to multiple teams. Bey is in the NBA. The closest Samuels will get to the NBA is maybe the GLeague..... Your point is what? Hoyas playing a #3 team and shut down their top players, including one of the top scorers in the nation with Pickett (yeah, with Pickett the guys has stepped it up) and a tough scorer and floor general held in check by a small freshman point guard who came to Georgetown to be the #2 PG (behind a player who took a 5th year PG because of Covid and arrives next year). Nova has two other who normally have solid point and they weren't mentioned much. The player who shoots around or below 30% from 3pt has a good game, that can happen, today it did. But Georgetown shut down the top players on a #3 team in the nation and are doing it with a young team with only three players who played together last year and a forth who was going to be a second red-shirt last year, but was needed. This line is beyond tired when it is a top tier player going off, but when a your team that was challenged beyond belief before the last three games shuts down the top players on a top team, and let the least probable player shoot and has a highlyl unusual good day? Yah, that is beyond tired. By the way, I really enjoy your contributions, but this one needs to be burried and this time doesn't really hold up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 17:53:53 GMT -5
Gotcha, but I think that's more perception than reality tbh. I'll give you an example. Jahvon has had some big time games his first 3 seasons at Georgetown but up until this year his career average was probably around 8 pts per game. We know Jahvon can go off so to us when he exploded it wasn't a surprise, but if you were a fan of another team and he drops 25 you probably think- How do you let Blair go off like that? Blair is not the 4th scoring option on this yearās team. In his career, heās only had one 30-pt team and it was last year vs DePaul when he was one of the main scoring options after the Great Exodus and the injuries. Itās not the same. When do we have players go off like that? Clearly I'm talking about Blair's performances in his first 3 seasons so not sure what this year has to do with it. Scoring high teens or 20 plus is a big game imo. If scoring 30 is the bar here than how many times has it really happened to us?
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Post by Massholya on Feb 7, 2021 17:54:15 GMT -5
Tough day for the stripes today.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 7, 2021 18:07:34 GMT -5
The difference is Bey did that to multiple teams. Bey is in the NBA. The closest Samuels will get to the NBA is maybe the GLeague..... Your point is what? Hoyas playing a #3 team and shut down their top players, including one of the top scorers in the nation with Pickett (yeah, with Pickett the guys has stepped it up) and a tough scorer and floor general held in check by a small freshman point guard who came to Georgetown to be the #2 PG (behind a player who took a 5th year PG because of Covid and arrives next year). Nova has two other who normally have solid point and they weren't mentioned much. The player who shoots around or below 30% from 3pt has a good game, that can happen, today it did. But Georgetown shut down the top players on a #3 team in the nation and are doing it with a young team with only three players who played together last year and a forth who was going to be a second red-shirt last year, but was needed. This line is beyond tired when it is a top tier player going off, but when a your team that was challenged beyond belief before the last three games shuts down the top players on a top team, and let the least probable player shoot and has a highlyl unusual good day? Yah, that is beyond tired. By the way, I really enjoy your contributions, but this one needs to be burried and this time doesn't really hold up. I'm not blaming the coaching or the players for what Samuels did. You have to read my prior posts. I'm just venting frustration at the fact that it seems that our sound defensive tactic backfires with a random player having a career game. Samuels has scored over 12pts 3x this year SH twice and this game. It would be nice to have Carey go off for 28pts and lead us to a win on Wednesday. Or Sibley give us just a unexpected 10pts.....
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Post by dense on Feb 7, 2021 18:12:00 GMT -5
The breakdown of this game I'll leave to others. I just am getting more excited for 2021 because Harris and Wahab are learning so much right now and it's showing. Wahab finally has the patience to get to his right hook and use counters in the post and not try to power thru everything and throw up wild shots. Harris is learning how to take care of the ball and defending Gillespie 1v1 he was really good today. We need these 2 to become leaders for the 2 talented freshmen that will be next to them next year.
Also Samuels doing this, I mean the kid is a star recruit for a reason. This why talent matters at all 5 spots.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 7, 2021 18:12:33 GMT -5
Blair is not the 4th scoring option on this yearās team. In his career, heās only had one 30-pt team and it was last year vs DePaul when he was one of the main scoring options after the Great Exodus and the injuries. Itās not the same. When do we have players go off like that? Clearly I'm talking about Blair's performances in his first 3 seasons so not sure what this year has to do with it. Scoring high teens or 20 plus is a big game imo. If scoring 30 is the bar here than how many times has it really happened to us? Yeah it's not usually 30pts. Usually in the 15-20pt range (Earlington, CHarris, Cale). I see you point Yaboy but Juggy was scoring double figures as a freshman and then he and Akinjo never meshed...miracuously after JA left Juggy could shoot again...imo
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Post by saxagael on Feb 7, 2021 18:29:01 GMT -5
Your point is what? Hoyas playing a #3 team and shut down their top players, including one of the top scorers in the nation with Pickett (yeah, with Pickett the guys has stepped it up) and a tough scorer and floor general held in check by a small freshman point guard who came to Georgetown to be the #2 PG (behind a player who took a 5th year PG because of Covid and arrives next year). Nova has two other who normally have solid point and they weren't mentioned much. The player who shoots around or below 30% from 3pt has a good game, that can happen, today it did. But Georgetown shut down the top players on a #3 team in the nation and are doing it with a young team with only three players who played together last year and a forth who was going to be a second red-shirt last year, but was needed. This line is beyond tired when it is a top tier player going off, but when a your team that was challenged beyond belief before the last three games shuts down the top players on a top team, and let the least probable player shoot and has a highlyl unusual good day? Yah, that is beyond tired. By the way, I really enjoy your contributions, but this one needs to be burried and this time doesn't really hold up. I'm not blaming the coaching or the players for what Samuels did. You have to read my prior posts. I'm just venting frustration at the fact that it seems that our sound defensive tactic backfires with a random player having a career game. Samuels has scored over 12pts 3x this year SH twice and this game. It would be nice to have Carey go off for 28pts and lead us to a win on Wednesday. Or Sibley give us just a unexpected 10pts..... I agree with that. The trouble with shifting to cover Samuels is the real weapons Villanova has. From the post game it sounds like Ewing is working with his bigs to actually to have the ability to cover out. Man, it would be awesome for a Hoya to go off for 30.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 18:34:43 GMT -5
Clearly I'm talking about Blair's performances in his first 3 seasons so not sure what this year has to do with it. Scoring high teens or 20 plus is a big game imo. If scoring 30 is the bar here than how many times has it really happened to us? Yeah it's not usually 30pts. Usually in the 15-20pt range (Earlington, CHarris, Cale). I see you point Yaboy but Juggy was scoring double figures as a freshman and then he and Akinjo never meshed...miracuously after JA left Juggy could shoot again...imo Gotcha but couldn't you say the same about Cale? His sophomore year he had 19 against Nova and Depaul. 20 vs Creighton. 21 vs Xavier, and 23 vs UMD. His season average was only 10ppg. I think you could compare the other performances you mentioned to Malinowski vs Butler and Seton Hall. Trey Dickerson when he went for 18 vs Butler etc.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2021 18:44:41 GMT -5
Blair is not the 4th scoring option on this yearās team. In his career, heās only had one 30-pt team and it was last year vs DePaul when he was one of the main scoring options after the Great Exodus and the injuries. Itās not the same. When do we have players go off like that? Clearly I'm talking about Blair's performances in his first 3 seasons so not sure what this year has to do with it. Scoring high teens or 20 plus is a big game imo. If scoring 30 is the bar here than how many times has it really happened to us? Your point was that other teams feel as we do that some player always goes off against them. My point is: how many times do we have a player who goes off for career games? It seems it happens to us almost every game and the data backs it up that it happens a lot.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2021 18:53:42 GMT -5
Whenever a player is red hot, like Samuels, the opposition has to adjust. No way around it. Deny him the ball on the perimeter, play extra close to him... This game reminded me of the S. Bey game when he made 8 of 10 3s and we couldnāt stop him from getting the ball on the perimeter. Pat didnāt adjust and he had a career day. I know he was shooting over shorter players, but the defense in that situation has to start by getting close to him and denying him the comfortable pass. But, we were helping somewhere else and getting to him late... I kind of agree, and kind of don't. I think most coaches would live with Samuels being the guy forced to beat you. He had a career night, but even when he started out hot I'd be lying if i thought he could keep it up for 40 minutes. I also don't think Q is capable of defending that way and he definitely can't guard JRE. Q was in his face when he missed his only 3 he didnāt make. Thatās what needed to happen. When a player is having a career game, then Commit all the way to his face or switch. Our strategy cannot be: heāll miss sooner or later (like with JT3).
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 7, 2021 18:57:38 GMT -5
Yeah it's not usually 30pts. Usually in the 15-20pt range (Earlington, CHarris, Cale). I see you point Yaboy but Juggy was scoring double figures as a freshman and then he and Akinjo never meshed...miracuously after JA left Juggy could shoot again...imo Gotcha but couldn't you say the same about Cale? His sophomore year he had 19 against Nova and Depaul. 20 vs Creighton. 21 vs Xavier, and 23 vs UMD. His season average was only 10ppg. I think you could compare the other performances you mentioned to Malinowski vs Butler and Seton Hall. Trey Dickerson when he went for 18 vs Butler etc. Mal and Trey are good calls. That is exactly the type of game I'm referring. And I could see a SMU fan saying that about Juggy last year.....
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 7, 2021 19:01:06 GMT -5
Tough loss, but overall the team played well. They had our number with the pump fakes.. Early fouls changed the game, but we hung in there. I hope for better halfcourt defense. Would like our bigs to hammer those dunks.
Why don't we ever use alley-oops?
Team is consistently playing better and can play even better I think.
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