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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 10:44:48 GMT -5
So why, with the votes to force the issue, did the Democrats fold on witnesses? I'm sure you can relate to not having a spine or principles.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 14, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Feb 14, 2021 11:51:31 GMT -5
So why, with the votes to force the issue, did the Democrats fold on witnesses? I'm sure you can relate to not having a spine or principles. Okay. Fine. Insult me. Why force a vote for witnesses you never intended to call? If you did intend to call them, why not until after you rested? Could it be you rushed your case and it was half-baked?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 12:11:26 GMT -5
I'm sure you can relate to not having a spine or principles. Okay. Fine. Insult me. Why force a vote for witnesses you never intended to call? If you did intend to call them, why not until after you rested? Could it be you rushed your case and it was half-baked? What kind of lunatic watches the guy he voted for spend 2 months whipping his supporters into a fury that culminates into a mob attacking the capitol resulting in 8 deaths and thinks - How can I use this to attack Democrats? Why didn't Democrats convince Republicans that what the saw and heard with their own eyes and ears is true? Most people would feel contrite, or at least embarrassed, but here you are...
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 14, 2021 12:23:05 GMT -5
I'm sure you can relate to not having a spine or principles. Okay. Fine. Insult me. Why force a vote for witnesses you never intended to call? If you did intend to call them, why not until after you rested? Could it be you rushed your case and it was half-baked? How do you still fail to realize that it is YOUR opinion that the case was half-baked and not the objective truth? Just because you continue to repeat it doesn’t make it true. Again, the overwhelming majority disagree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:12 GMT -5
Okay. Fine. Insult me. Why force a vote for witnesses you never intended to call? If you did intend to call them, why not until after you rested? Could it be you rushed your case and it was half-baked? How do you still fail to realize that it is YOUR opinion that the case was half-baked and not the objective truth? Just because you continue to repeat it doesn’t make it true. Again, the overwhelming majority disagree with you. Seriously, I think they put on a great case.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 14, 2021 12:34:34 GMT -5
How do you still fail to realize that it is YOUR opinion that the case was half-baked and not the objective truth? Just because you continue to repeat it doesn’t make it true. Again, the overwhelming majority disagree with you. Seriously, I think they put on a great case. But Elvado said they didn’t, so I just don’t know what to believe... he’s always been so right about everything.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 14, 2021 20:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Feb 14, 2021 21:16:03 GMT -5
So why, with the votes to force the issue, did the Democrats fold on witnesses? I'm not an attorney but, IMO, pragmatism. It was made very clear that, regardless of what was presented, the "Republicans" were going to side with Trump over their oaths of office. Calling witnesses would have been pointless because the "Republicans" have chosen Trump over democracy. May they reap what they've sown.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 15, 2021 4:57:39 GMT -5
So why, with the votes to force the issue, did the Democrats fold on witnesses? I'm not an attorney but, IMO, pragmatism. It was made very clear that, regardless of what was presented, the "Republicans" were going to side with Trump over their oaths of office. Calling witnesses would have been pointless because the "Republicans" have chosen Trump over democracy. May they reap what they've sown. Tas: I happen to think you are right that the votes would not have changed. My question is why the 11th hour Editeding and moaning about witnesses.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 15, 2021 8:11:31 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney but, IMO, pragmatism. It was made very clear that, regardless of what was presented, the "Republicans" were going to side with Trump over their oaths of office. Calling witnesses would have been pointless because the "Republicans" have chosen Trump over democracy. May they reap what they've sown. Tas: I happen to think you are right that the votes would not have changed. My question is why the 11th hour Editeding and moaning about witnesses. www.politico.com/news/2021/02/13/senate-democrats-impeachment-witnesses-468992
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2021 9:07:48 GMT -5
I'm not an attorney but, IMO, pragmatism. It was made very clear that, regardless of what was presented, the "Republicans" were going to side with Trump over their oaths of office. Calling witnesses would have been pointless because the "Republicans" have chosen Trump over democracy. May they reap what they've sown. Tas: I happen to think you are right that the votes would not have changed. My question is why the 11th hour Editeding and moaning about witnesses. This is why they wanted witnesses but I have a feeling you already know... thehill.com/homenews/house/538718-gop-rep-herrera-beutler-urges-patriots-to-talk-about-trump-call"When McCarthy finally reached the president on January 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that had breached the Capitol," Herrera Beutler said in her statement. "McCarthy refuted that and told the president that these were Trump supporters. That's when, according to McCarthy, the president said: 'Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,'" the statement added.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 15, 2021 9:33:49 GMT -5
Tas: I happen to think you are right that the votes would not have changed. My question is why the 11th hour Editeding and moaning about witnesses. This is why they wanted witnesses but I have a feeling you already know... thehill.com/homenews/house/538718-gop-rep-herrera-beutler-urges-patriots-to-talk-about-trump-call"When McCarthy finally reached the president on January 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that had breached the Capitol," Herrera Beutler said in her statement. "McCarthy refuted that and told the president that these were Trump supporters. That's when, according to McCarthy, the president said: 'Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,'" the statement added. And so they backed off why?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2021 9:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 15, 2021 10:12:36 GMT -5
You realize he’s not actually interested in an answer, correct? He’s already concocted a narrative in his head and is going to stick with it, facts and explanations be damned. I’ll point to the fact that Dan already posted this link and this information had been available for almost 2 days.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 15, 2021 10:23:13 GMT -5
You realize he’s not actually interested in an answer, correct? He’s already concocted a narrative in his head and is going to stick with it, facts and explanations be damned. I’ll point to the fact that Dan already posted this link and this information had been available for almost 2 days. Obviously, but I say keep posting the link, which answers his question, until he moves his trolling along to another “conspiracy” Fox News wants him to repeat. Did I tell you about the laptop?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2021 10:23:19 GMT -5
This is why they wanted witnesses but I have a feeling you already know... thehill.com/homenews/house/538718-gop-rep-herrera-beutler-urges-patriots-to-talk-about-trump-call"When McCarthy finally reached the president on January 6 and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that had breached the Capitol," Herrera Beutler said in her statement. "McCarthy refuted that and told the president that these were Trump supporters. That's when, according to McCarthy, the president said: 'Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,'" the statement added. And so they backed off why? My opinion is that folks like Schumer, Burr, Warner, etc spend far too much time worrying about optics & decorum... Ultimately having the Republican Congresswoman’s information on the conversation between McCarthy & former President Trump read into the impeachment record was the ultimate goal
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 15, 2021 10:30:06 GMT -5
And so they backed off why? My opinion is that folks like Schumer, Burr, Warner, etc spend far too much time worrying about optics & decorum... Ultimately having the Republican Congresswoman’s information on the conversation between McCarthy & former President Trump read into the impeachment record was the ultimate goal This, in addition to the fact the defense team was outright lying about what Trump knew and when he knew it. I think that pushed them over the edge when they said Trump was completely unaware that Pence was in real danger. I think they really would have liked to have skewered them on these lies but felt the need the weigh that against political concerns raised in the article.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 15, 2021 10:33:24 GMT -5
You realize he’s not actually interested in an answer, correct? He’s already concocted a narrative in his head and is going to stick with it, facts and explanations be damned. I’ll point to the fact that Dan already posted this link and this information had been available for almost 2 days. Obviously, but I say keep posting the link, which answers his question, until he moves his trolling along to another “conspiracy” Fox News wants him to repeat. Did I tell you about the laptop? No, I’m only vaguely even aware there was laptop. This sounds damning for Hunter Biden’s political future, especially as the unimpeachable Rudy Giuliani offered it as evidence. This may take everyone down.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 15, 2021 12:16:39 GMT -5
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