seaweed
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Post by seaweed on May 8, 2024 17:57:54 GMT -5
As long as St Johns remains in Queens, GU will be better situated
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 8, 2024 18:07:50 GMT -5
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on May 8, 2024 20:50:58 GMT -5
“Took time to vote” lmao yeah they spent all that time reading the tweet and tapping their phone, what a labor intensive task showing the difference in the programs. It wouldn’t be a “stupid” poll if Casual hadn’t been relentlessly annoying since last year talking about Pitino or if this poll was posted when bother rosters were complete. Beating an horse to death is an understatement for him and certain people on this board. And he has I think close to 15k followers. I wanted Pitino too but people need to get over it already sheesh. I don’t know about you, but I don’t vote in every poll I come across. 951 people felt it was worth voting or felt it was important to have their voices heard. That’s all. Do you have Twitter? The whole point of the app is to make users think people care about what they have to say, it’s definitely the most egomaniacal and toxic social media app I’ve ever seen lol.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 8, 2024 21:40:55 GMT -5
I don’t know about you, but I don’t vote in every poll I come across. 951 people felt it was worth voting or felt it was important to have their voices heard. That’s all. Do you have Twitter? No.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 9, 2024 5:46:09 GMT -5
Just to close the loop on this, the tweet was viewed 12,000 times, and 1,474 people thought it was worth voting on. It finished at 78-22.
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jackofjoy
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Post by jackofjoy on May 9, 2024 6:38:54 GMT -5
Just to close the loop on this, the tweet was viewed 12,000 times, and 1,474 people thought it was worth voting on. It finished at 78-22. The Providence Twitter trolls are real …
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 9, 2024 9:27:58 GMT -5
It wasn’t that obvious of an answer for 20% of the voters. Who cares if casual put up this poll? Why can’t you just be ok with the fact that so many people can be objective and are disappointed with where we are? It’s OK. With winning, even casual will come around. The quicker, the better… but, for the next couple of seasons, our program will be compared to SJ and Providence, for obvious reasons. It’s common sense. 1. I don't care what Casual Hoya does or does not put on Twitter, nor do I even bother to read the site anymore. 2. I still think online polls are stupid, and trying to make conclusions from them makes no sense given that they are unscientific, poll a tiny percentage of people online, and frankly, what Joe Twitter Man thinks about the question really provides virtually no information. Casual Hoya obviously put up the poll because of his Pitino envy, which is fine. But, trying to make anything of it is pointless. 3. I am absolutely okay with people being disappointed with where we are. You should know better than most that I've been thoroughly disappointed with the program over the last several years. And I was definitely disappointed with our team last year. I've been disappointed in DeGioia's handling of the program for years. And Cooley didn't get the job done. The defense was atrocious. It wasn't what I was hoping for when he was hired. I was frustrated multiple, multiple times this past season watching the games. 4. I have no problem comparing our program to St. John's and Providence. I am not sure why you are equating comparing programs to the poll. There are many, many, better ways to compare programs than an online poll. We do it here all the time! My gripe is with the online poll. It has nothing to do with the comparison, even if I think the comparison now has only one reasonable conclusion, which is that St. John's is better situated until our program shows life. And I think it will. But, I am so scarred from our losing over the last decade that I am not going to trust in the winning until I see it. But I have optimism it can happen. I just cannot get myself too optimistic given how things have unraveled the last few years. On the flip side, there are some people (not targeted at you prhoya, I know you're a huge fan and want us to succeed), who will use any fact out there to spin things negatively or portray things in a negative light. Somebody leaves the program? I may not agree, but fair reason for negativity. We lose out on Cliff Omoruyi? Fair reason for negativity. An online poll that Casual posts seeking an answer to an obvious question? Using that to peddle negativity isn't fans showing their disappointment. It's fans trying to get in every dig they can at the coaching staff.
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mchoya
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Post by mchoya on May 10, 2024 8:47:32 GMT -5
Good piece here from Eamonn Brennan, formerly of The Athletic: open.substack.com/pub/eamonnbrennan/p/should-georgetown-fans-be-worriedAccurately sets the baseline for improvement as needing to be a tournament team next year. “Maybe this is expecting too much too soon. But if Georgetown isn’t ready to compete for a tournament spot in year two, after such a titanic, proven hire, these questions will get louder. Georgetown should already be better.”
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 10, 2024 9:24:29 GMT -5
Good piece here from Eamonn Brennan, formerly of The Athletic: open.substack.com/pub/eamonnbrennan/p/should-georgetown-fans-be-worriedAccurately sets the baseline for improvement as needing to be a tournament team next year. “Maybe this is expecting too much too soon. But if Georgetown isn’t ready to compete for a tournament spot in year two, after such a titanic, proven hire, these questions will get louder. Georgetown should already be better.” Not a subscriber but some interesting nuggets from the opening tease available to non-subscribers: "Should Georgetown fans be worried? It’s still early, but the Ed Cooley era is off to a shaky start On March 22, 2023, Ed Cooley was announced as the new Georgetown head men's head basketball coach. It was a titanic moment in Big East history. After six putrid seasons under legendary alumnus Patrick Ewing, who bottomed the program out with six- and seven-win campaigns in the final two, Georgetown brass finally showed the kind of eff-you ambition its fans had long been begging for, using legacy appeal and a $6 million-per-year (!) contract to steal a proven success out of his comfortable fief and away from a conference rival.... But, primarily, consistency and stability is what he would offer. It was the reason to prefer him to Rick Pitino, a bonafide legend and meteoric personality who might retire in the next few years, and who was openly interested in the position before being rebuffed and taking the job at St. John's two days earlier. Cooley, in theory, could be your coach for the next decade-plus, and could be reasonably expected, with minimal drama, to make the tournament every year. He would, first of all, make Georgetown decent again. It is one of the enduring surprises of the 2023-24 season that this did not happen. Georgetown was every bit as bad as they ever were under Ewing last season, so bad that the entire premise of Cooley's hire should come under at least some amount of scrutiny. After generally rejoicing in his hire, Georgetown fans could be forgiven for wondering: What if this just doesn't work?"
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on May 10, 2024 9:43:39 GMT -5
Last year was a wash in my opinion. Cooley clearly didn't have enough time to put together a cohesive unit and it showed. This year is the real test. He's had more than enough time to recruit the kind of players he likes and who can at least make us respectable next year. What is respectable? Well like beauty it's in the eye of the beholder. In my mind it is at least 8 BE wins and an NIT invitation. Also maybe an upset of a nationally ranked team (UConn?).
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 10, 2024 10:19:50 GMT -5
Last year was a wash in my opinion. Cooley clearly didn't have enough time to put together a cohesive unit and it showed. This year is the real test. He's had more than enough time to recruit the kind of players he likes and who can at least make us respectable next year. What is respectable? Well like beauty it's in the eye of the beholder. In my mind it is at least 8 BE wins and an NIT invitation. Also maybe an upset of a nationally ranked team (UConn?). Ewing made the NIT in his second year with the McClung, Akinjo and LeBlanc team. Like Cooley his first year he did not have time to put together a full recruiting class of his kids. In many respects Cooley's job is harder given that the Hoyas have now been a consistently bad program for several years and this makes it harder to recruit elite players. However, Cooley's job is also easier in that he can utilize the transfer portal and NIL to recruit his team--two tools that Ewing did not have. As for respectability next year, given Cooley's prior experience as a head coach, I think a season with a winning record--even 16-15--and 7-8 wins in the BE is a major step in the right direction. Not so sure that the NIT will be in reach yet. More importantly though is going to be how the team progresses from November to February. Always felt the true measure of a coach is whether the team improves over the course of the year, something which did not happen this year.
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Post by professorhoya on May 10, 2024 10:30:48 GMT -5
Last year was a wash in my opinion. Cooley clearly didn't have enough time to put together a cohesive unit and it showed. This year is the real test. He's had more than enough time to recruit the kind of players he likes and who can at least make us respectable next year. What is respectable? Well like beauty it's in the eye of the beholder. In my mind it is at least 8 BE wins and an NIT invitation. Also maybe an upset of a nationally ranked team (UConn?). Ewing made the NIT in his second year with the McClung, Akinjo and LeBlanc team. Like Cooley his first year he did not have time to put together a full recruiting class of his kids. In many respects Cooley's job is harder given that the Hoyas have now been a consistently bad program for several years and this makes it harder to recruit elite players. However, Cooley's job is also easier in that he can utilize the transfer portal and NIL to recruit his team--two tools that Ewing did not have. As for respectability next year, given Cooley's prior experience as a head coach, I think a season with a winning record--even 16-15--and 7-8 wins in the BE is a major step in the right direction. Not so sure that the NIT will be in reach yet. More importantly though is going to be how the team progresses from November to February. Always felt the true measure of a coach is whether the team improves over the course of the year, something which did not happen this year. Cooley, Georgetown and Georgetown fans were stabbed in the back by Benedict Akok at the last second. This doomed the season from the start as Akok was slotted for a starting rim protecting role, NIL allocated, etc. At that point it was not possible to find a comparable replacement.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 10, 2024 10:42:25 GMT -5
Ewing made the NIT in his second year with the McClung, Akinjo and LeBlanc team. Like Cooley his first year he did not have time to put together a full recruiting class of his kids. In many respects Cooley's job is harder given that the Hoyas have now been a consistently bad program for several years and this makes it harder to recruit elite players. However, Cooley's job is also easier in that he can utilize the transfer portal and NIL to recruit his team--two tools that Ewing did not have. As for respectability next year, given Cooley's prior experience as a head coach, I think a season with a winning record--even 16-15--and 7-8 wins in the BE is a major step in the right direction. Not so sure that the NIT will be in reach yet. More importantly though is going to be how the team progresses from November to February. Always felt the true measure of a coach is whether the team improves over the course of the year, something which did not happen this year. Cooley, Georgetown and Georgetown fans were stabbed in the back by Benedict Akok at the last second. This doomed the season from the start as Akok was slotted for a starting rim protecting role, NIL allocated, etc. At that point it was not possible to find a comparable replacement. Cooley shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place. He had 3 scholarships available, with Akok.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 10, 2024 10:55:54 GMT -5
Ewing made the NIT in his second year with the McClung, Akinjo and LeBlanc team. Like Cooley his first year he did not have time to put together a full recruiting class of his kids. In many respects Cooley's job is harder given that the Hoyas have now been a consistently bad program for several years and this makes it harder to recruit elite players. However, Cooley's job is also easier in that he can utilize the transfer portal and NIL to recruit his team--two tools that Ewing did not have. As for respectability next year, given Cooley's prior experience as a head coach, I think a season with a winning record--even 16-15--and 7-8 wins in the BE is a major step in the right direction. Not so sure that the NIT will be in reach yet. More importantly though is going to be how the team progresses from November to February. Always felt the true measure of a coach is whether the team improves over the course of the year, something which did not happen this year. Cooley, Georgetown and Georgetown fans were stabbed in the back by Benedict Akok at the last second. This doomed the season from the start as Akok was slotted for a starting rim protecting role, NIL allocated, etc. At that point it was not possible to find a comparable replacement. Akok Akok averaged 13.6 minutes, 3.0 points, and 2.5 rebounds for a 9-23 West Virginia team. Acting like he'd have made a substantial difference on last year's Georgetown squad is insane.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on May 10, 2024 10:58:08 GMT -5
JT - 1st year was only losing season, NCAA Tournament in year 3 Calhoun @ UConn - 1st year was only losing season, NCAA Tourney in Year 4
More recent example? Dan Hurley @ UConn - 1st year only (so far) losing season, NCAA Tourney in year 3
Cooley can make this happen. I don't see any reason why this lineup (plus the last couple of pieces) couldn't be .500 or better this year and ready for bigger things after that. '25-'26 outlook: Mack/Epps/McKenna/Fielder/Sorber Mulready/Williams/Williams/Burks prospects: *Lewis*/*McKenney*/*Ward*/*Wilkins*
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 10, 2024 11:00:56 GMT -5
Ewing made the NIT in his second year with the McClung, Akinjo and LeBlanc team. Like Cooley his first year he did not have time to put together a full recruiting class of his kids. In many respects Cooley's job is harder given that the Hoyas have now been a consistently bad program for several years and this makes it harder to recruit elite players. However, Cooley's job is also easier in that he can utilize the transfer portal and NIL to recruit his team--two tools that Ewing did not have. As for respectability next year, given Cooley's prior experience as a head coach, I think a season with a winning record--even 16-15--and 7-8 wins in the BE is a major step in the right direction. Not so sure that the NIT will be in reach yet. More importantly though is going to be how the team progresses from November to February. Always felt the true measure of a coach is whether the team improves over the course of the year, something which did not happen this year. JTIII also left Cooley a bit more, player-wise, than Ewing left Cooley. Namely Jessie Govan. It was also a much weaker Big East than the Big East was last year. It's actually interesting to see how much the BE records and the Pomeroy ratings for those teams don't match up: 2017 (JTII) 5-13 / 69 2018 (PE) 5-13 / 94 2019 (PE) 9-9 / 100 2020 (PE) 5-13 / 67 - the year Akinjo transferred out early in the season 2021 (PE) 7-9 / 63 - the BE title year 2022 (PE) 0-19 / 175 2023 (PE) 2-18 / 219 2024 (EC) 2-18 / 192 Now, sometimes, a 30 drop in rank isn't that meaningful, but it's interesting how that 9-9 season was actually, from a point differential and opponent adjusted standpoint, the worst season Ewing had before the utter collapse in 2022. Which, coincidentally, was when the team's talent disappeared: Harris, Mohammed, Carey, Rice and Holloway. There's some pieces there, but there's zero depth and at least a couple of starters who should be rotational guys at best. Ewing pulled in a decent class of Pickett and Blair (and others) on short notice that first year, and he inherited Govan, Derrickson and Kaleb Johnson, plus a sophomore Mosely. He pulled in a really great class the next year, talent wise, adding Akinjo, McClung and LeBlanc. Moseley developed. Decent transfer in Malinowski. He couldn't keep Derrickson one more year -- I think that's a (lucky) tournament team if he does. The future somewhat looked bright although the big question with Govan leaving was signficant. We replaced Govan with Yurtseven and Wahab as a frosh -- a thin freshman class but we were young. Terell Allen was a good transfer. But then Akinjo transferred, LeBlanc sucked and then transferred, Yurt turned pro, and that started the collapse. The next year added Harris and Sibley but was another small freshman class. The team wasn't very good offensively, but played defense and got hot in the BE tournament. Without Pickett, Bile, the transferred Wahab, Blair, playing a freshman Mohammed ... the defense collapsed. The offense wasn't any good and we were done. I think there's encouraging and discouraging factors about this offseason. The freshman class reminds me more of the quality of an Akinjo, McClung, LeBlanc level of crew. Some of the players we got in the transfer market remind more of the Pickett-type of defender - Harris, Blair, Pickett, Bile, Wahab, Carey was a relatively strong defensive team for the Ewing era. Then again, you can also trace the collapse to the going from Govan-Govan-Yurt-Wahab to Ryan-Tim-Malcom. Of course, we also added Massoud-level defender in Rice. We'll see. One would hope Cooley can do more than Ewing with what he's got. His track record says yes, but the 27 rank increase we saw last year was less than we hoped. Not retaining Wahab or Akok was a big killer in that. Really need that big.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 10, 2024 11:08:14 GMT -5
Akok Akok averaged 13.6 minutes, 3.0 points, and 2.5 rebounds for a 9-23 West Virginia team. Acting like he'd have made a substantial difference on last year's Georgetown squad is insane. He also collapsed on the court early in the season and had heart concerns, so his time was limited by other factors. But you do you. Akok was no super star, but he had a 7% block rate with us previously and nearly 8% with West Virginia. He was more of a shot blocker than rim protector, but it was clearly a big need for the team last year, as was quality big man depth. He would have been far more helpful to us than West Virignia, who had more big men.
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Post by jwp91 on May 10, 2024 11:10:44 GMT -5
Cooley, Georgetown and Georgetown fans were stabbed in the back by Benedict Akok at the last second. This doomed the season from the start as Akok was slotted for a starting rim protecting role, NIL allocated, etc. At that point it was not possible to find a comparable replacement. Akok Akok averaged 13.6 minutes, 3.0 points, and 2.5 rebounds for a 9-23 West Virginia team. Acting like he'd have made a substantial difference on last year's Georgetown squad is insane. Boya, If you don't think a healthy Akok that would have kept Ish and Heath off of the floor and provided instant rim protection that Cook couldn't provide wouldn't have been a massive help, then you know less about basketball than I thought. On last year's team, Akok might have been worth 4 additional wins.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 10, 2024 11:18:57 GMT -5
Cooley, Georgetown and Georgetown fans were stabbed in the back by Benedict Akok at the last second. This doomed the season from the start as Akok was slotted for a starting rim protecting role, NIL allocated, etc. At that point it was not possible to find a comparable replacement. Akok Akok averaged 13.6 minutes, 3.0 points, and 2.5 rebounds for a 9-23 West Virginia team. Acting like he'd have made a substantial difference on last year's Georgetown squad is insane. Although I agree that Akok wouldn't have changed a bunch outside of probably a slightly better defense at the rim to be fair to Akok he did have a heart issue right before the season started.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 10, 2024 11:25:57 GMT -5
Akok Akok averaged 13.6 minutes, 3.0 points, and 2.5 rebounds for a 9-23 West Virginia team. Acting like he'd have made a substantial difference on last year's Georgetown squad is insane. Boya, If you don't think a healthy Akok that would have kept Ish and Heath off of the floor and provided instant rim protection that Cook couldn't provide wouldn't have been a massive help, then you know less about basketball than I thought. On last year's team, Akok might have been worth 4 additional wins. Heath and Akok play different positions and Heath still shot 37.2% from 3 last year. His defense sucked but he is a way better offensive player than Akok. Ish is a good point though but adding 4 extra wins is a stretch and that still isn't a good year. Have we ever seen a healthy Akok? His career has been plagued by health issues. I do think he would have improved our team and would have taken minutes from some of our weaknesses but him staying on the court is very questionable.
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