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Post by SSHoya on Feb 9, 2024 10:47:09 GMT -5
And setting aside mental acuity, the grifter is clearly a sociopath. I'd love to hear a reasoned contrary argument but I don't think one exists. Biden may have all the negative attributes of the career politician that he is but he is not a sociopath. I concede Trump should not be President. What can’t you do the same re Biden? Haven't you recognized that in America we are governed by a two party system? At the end of the day it remains a binary choice, and that choice is clear. I find it humorous/sad that not one of our HoyaTalk "Republicans" have admitted voting for the grifter in 2016 and now regretting the choice. In fact, I recall that you may have said in 2020 that you might have to vote for Biden! (FWIW,I liked Kasich as well and several of my Bush Republican friends who I trusted vouched for Kasich). Elvado on Jan. 1, 2019: 2020 Presidential Election The only Democrat I could possibly vote for is Biden. His Chinese menu Catholicism bothers me, but at his core he is a centrist. On the other side, I don’t see any way Trump is not the nominee but if you wanted another Republican, John Kasich has always impressed me with his seriousness of purpose and attention to detail. Even better Elvado on Jan 4, 2019: Am predisposed against Democrat candidates? Yes. Just as many out here are toward Republican candidates. The Hillary vote was and is one that can never happen from me. I find her to be absolutely unpalatable as a candidate. However, would I vote for a Biden? Yes.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 11:18:34 GMT -5
I concede Trump should not be President. What can’t you do the same re Biden? Haven't you recognized that in America we are governed by a two party system? At the end of the day it remains a binary choice, and that choice is clear. I find it humorous/sad that not one of our HoyaTalk "Republicans" have admitted voting for the grifter in 2016 and now regretting the choice. In fact, I recall that you may have said in 2020 that you might have to vote for Biden! (FWIW,I liked Kasich as well and several of my Bush Republican friends who I trusted vouched for Kasich). Elvado on Jan. 1, 2019: 2020 Presidential Election The only Democrat I could possibly vote for is Biden. His Chinese menu Catholicism bothers me, but at his core he is a centrist. On the other side, I don’t see any way Trump is not the nominee but if you wanted another Republican, John Kasich has always impressed me with his seriousness of purpose and attention to detail. Even better Elvado on Jan 4, 2019: Am predisposed against Democrat candidates? Yes. Just as many out here are toward Republican candidates. The Hillary vote was and is one that can never happen from me. I find her to be absolutely unpalatable as a candidate. However, would I vote for a Biden? Yes. Yup. 5 years ago. Now we are 5 years down the road and he is “too feeble to prosecute”. Why are you Dems not concerned? Why are you not calling to replace this brain-addled old man on the ticket? Is he the best your side has? Or, does Big D Democrat leadership like/need having the useful idiot in place? Before you start “TRUMP IS AN UNFIT SOCIOPATHIC INSURRECTIONIST” Discuss among yourselves.
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Post by guru on Feb 9, 2024 11:35:24 GMT -5
I despise Trump and all his acolytes. That said, Biden should pull himself out of the race as soon as possible. We are at the last possible exit point, and he simply must. Even if the Fox News set is overstating his cognitive decline - and I’m not certain they are - looking down the road 5 years from now isn’t pretty. Against most other Dems, Trump would have very little shot at winning. Against Biden, it’s 50/50. Biden needs to put the country first here and step off the ticket (and take Harris with him).
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -5
I despise Trump and all his acolytes. That said, Biden should pull himself out of the race as soon as possible. We are at the last possible exit point, and he simply must. Even if the Fox News set is overstating his cognitive decline - and I’m not certain they are - looking down the road 5 years from now isn’t pretty. Against most other Dems, Trump would have very little shot at winning. Against Biden, it’s 50/50. Biden needs to put the country first here and step off the ticket (and take Harris with him). We have a winner.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2024 11:44:22 GMT -5
Diminished Biden v. Sociopath Grifter and his enablers - a binary choice. Many have argued that one result of Donald Trump’s narcissism and the behaviors following from it is that his presidency has been rocky (for journalistic chronicles of the Trump presidency, see [26–28]; for more candid critiques from within the Republican Party see [25, 29]). For example, Trump and those in his administration have been embroiled in legal disputes since the beginning of his term (which contributed to an unusually high degree of staff turnover), many of his domestic and international policies were unsuccessful, and due to his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, over 400,000 Americans died of the virus over the course of his presidency [26–28, 30]. Consequently, Trump’s approval rating in the U.S. never approached 50% and he was impeached by Congress approximately mid-way through his term and again at the end of his term [31]. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8049239/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/202008/the-psychology-donald-trumpBut does it have to be one? Where are the “Democrat Leaders” who recognize that a man too feeble to prosecute probably should not be the standard bearer? Where is Dr. Jill to end this cruel charade? Let’s stipulate that the all Republicans are soulless scumbags. Aren’t the other guys better? Why this diminished, doddering shell of a man? Can’t the good guys do better?Because there aren't any "good" folks who have positions of leadership or influence in either of our 2 major political parties. They're either bad people which in my view are the corporate/donor Dems like Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, Manchin, Clyburn ect. Or the much worse & terrible Corporate/donor Repubs like McConnell, Cruz, Scott ect. The sad part is I couldn't think of one Republican House member who isn't a crazy person Where the starkest differences between the two parties lie is in who pushes them outside of these corporate/done entities. The Dem leadership gets pushed by "progressives"(you'd call them socialists) who want to implement more social programs & strengthen the ones we currently have by taxing corporations & wealthy folks more. The Repub leadership gets pushed by a repugnant person in Donald Trump & his MAGA followers, religious theocrats, bigots & racists. I'd love to see someone like Tim Walz running instead of Biden but the DNC & donors wouldn't allow it so I'll vote for Biden and do whatever I can to push for a robust democratic primary leading up to the 2028 campaign. Who would you like to see run for president instead of Trump for the repubs?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 9, 2024 13:05:30 GMT -5
I despise Trump and all his acolytes. That said, Biden should pull himself out of the race as soon as possible. We are at the last possible exit point, and he simply must. Even if the Fox News set is overstating his cognitive decline - and I’m not certain they are - looking down the road 5 years from now isn’t pretty. Against most other Dems, Trump would have very little shot at winning. Against Biden, it’s 50/50. Biden needs to put the country first here and step off the ticket (and take Harris with him). Sounds like 2020. The problem is, the polls consistently show Trump cleaning up the floor vs. Newsom, Harris, or Whitmer, so Biden probably sees himself as the only thing standing in the way of Trump as generalissimo and someone who will rule for the rest of his life. Whether in prison, back on the fundraising con, or having invalidated the 22nd Amendment by fiat, Trump runs in 2028. Too much money and ego not to.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 13:15:26 GMT -5
But does it have to be one? Where are the “Democrat Leaders” who recognize that a man too feeble to prosecute probably should not be the standard bearer? Where is Dr. Jill to end this cruel charade? Let’s stipulate that the all Republicans are soulless scumbags. Aren’t the other guys better? Why this diminished, doddering shell of a man? Can’t the good guys do better?Because there aren't any "good" folks who have positions of leadership or influence in either of our 2 major political parties. They're either bad people which in my view are the corporate/donor Dems like Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, Manchin, Clyburn ect. Or the much worse & terrible Corporate/donor Repubs like McConnell, Cruz, Scott ect. The sad part is I couldn't think of one Republican House member who isn't a crazy person Where the starkest differences between the two parties lie is in who pushes them outside of these corporate/done entities. The Dem leadership gets pushed by "progressives"(you'd call them socialists) who want to implement more social programs & strengthen the ones we currently have by taxing corporations & wealthy folks more. The Repub leadership gets pushed by a repugnant person in Donald Trump & his MAGA followers, religious theocrats, bigots & racists. I'd love to see someone like Tim Walz running instead of Biden but the DNC & donors wouldn't allow it so I'll vote for Biden and do whatever I can to push for a robust democratic primary leading up to the 2028 campaign. Who would you like to see run for president instead of Trump for the repubs? Sadly, I cannot point to any particular Republican that I would support. Trump is unacceptable to me. The Court won’t take him out which would have been a neat but legally specious trick. While I mostly agree with your descriptions of the parties and their drivers, I think you left out the Open Borders crowd as being a Democrat force. I find both nominees presumptive to be unacceptable. I might vote for RFK Jr just for s and giggles.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 9, 2024 13:26:21 GMT -5
Because there aren't any "good" folks who have positions of leadership or influence in either of our 2 major political parties. They're either bad people which in my view are the corporate/donor Dems like Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, Manchin, Clyburn ect. Or the much worse & terrible Corporate/donor Repubs like McConnell, Cruz, Scott ect. The sad part is I couldn't think of one Republican House member who isn't a crazy person Where the starkest differences between the two parties lie is in who pushes them outside of these corporate/done entities. The Dem leadership gets pushed by "progressives"(you'd call them socialists) who want to implement more social programs & strengthen the ones we currently have by taxing corporations & wealthy folks more. The Repub leadership gets pushed by a repugnant person in Donald Trump & his MAGA followers, religious theocrats, bigots & racists. I'd love to see someone like Tim Walz running instead of Biden but the DNC & donors wouldn't allow it so I'll vote for Biden and do whatever I can to push for a robust democratic primary leading up to the 2028 campaign. Who would you like to see run for president instead of Trump for the repubs? Sadly, I cannot point to any particular Republican that I would support. Trump is unacceptable to me. The Court won’t take him out which would have been a neat but legally specious trick. While I mostly agree with your descriptions of the parties and their drivers, I think you left out the Open Borders crowd as being a Democrat force. I find both nominees presumptive to be unacceptable. I might vote for RFK Jr just for s and giggles. I know this wasn’t the thrust of your point, but what makes removing him “legally specious”? You have even referred to Trump as insurrectionist. Do you really think the drafters of the 14th Amendment really wanted a person who incited an insurrection to be able to hold the office of president? That flies in the face of reason. The whole “official or not” argument is ridiculous. The bottom line Is there is no way anyone who drafted the Constitution or its amendments would have intended for it to be read in a way as to allow an insurrectionist to become president. If anything, the specious argument is one that would allow Trump to be president again.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 13:43:17 GMT -5
Sadly, I cannot point to any particular Republican that I would support. Trump is unacceptable to me. The Court won’t take him out which would have been a neat but legally specious trick. While I mostly agree with your descriptions of the parties and their drivers, I think you left out the Open Borders crowd as being a Democrat force. I find both nominees presumptive to be unacceptable. I might vote for RFK Jr just for s and giggles. I know this wasn’t the thrust of your point, but what makes removing him “legally specious”? You have even referred to Trump as insurrectionist. Do you really think the drafters of the 14th Amendment really wanted a person who incited an insurrection to be able to hold the office of president? That flies in the face of reason. The whole “official or not” argument is ridiculous. The bottom line Is there is no way anyone who drafted the Constitution or its amendments would have intended for it to be read in a way as to allow an insurrectionist to become president. If anything, the specious argument is one that would allow Trump to be president again. I am not by nature a process freak, but there has to be more than individualized actions by state level functionaries. If the Court decides he should be ineligible for the ballot I will jump for joy but the Colorado case before them yesterday was crap.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 9, 2024 14:01:42 GMT -5
I know this wasn’t the thrust of your point, but what makes removing him “legally specious”? You have even referred to Trump as insurrectionist. Do you really think the drafters of the 14th Amendment really wanted a person who incited an insurrection to be able to hold the office of president? That flies in the face of reason. The whole “official or not” argument is ridiculous. The bottom line Is there is no way anyone who drafted the Constitution or its amendments would have intended for it to be read in a way as to allow an insurrectionist to become president. If anything, the specious argument is one that would allow Trump to be president again. I am not by nature a process freak, but there has to be more than individualized actions by state level functionaries. If the Court decides he should be ineligible for the ballot I will jump for joy but the Colorado case before them yesterday was crap. But aren’t state level functionaries the ones who determine candidate eligibility? We don’t have a truly federal election for president, as you well know, so the only place where ineligibility would arise is on the state level, no?
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 14:05:07 GMT -5
I am not by nature a process freak, but there has to be more than individualized actions by state level functionaries. If the Court decides he should be ineligible for the ballot I will jump for joy but the Colorado case before them yesterday was crap. But aren’t state level functionaries the ones who determine candidate eligibility? We don’t have a truly federal election for president, as you well know, so the only place where ineligibility would arise is on the state level, no? And this is the problem the Court faced yesterday. The 14th Amendment (and specifically Section 3) can’t mean anything if it means different things in different states.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 9, 2024 14:07:33 GMT -5
But aren’t state level functionaries the ones who determine candidate eligibility? We don’t have a truly federal election for president, as you well know, so the only place where ineligibility would arise is on the state level, no? And this is the problem the Court faced yesterday. The 14th Amendment (and specifically Section 3) can’t mean anything if it means different things in different states. At the same time, it can’t mean anything if no one has the ability to invoke it.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 14:11:45 GMT -5
And this is the problem the Court faced yesterday. The 14th Amendment (and specifically Section 3) can’t mean anything if it means different things in different states. At the same time, it can’t mean anything if no one has the ability to invoke it. No question there either. If nothing else, the Court should set a standard for this action and announce to which offices/officers it applies. If January 6 was insurrection it needs to be so everywhere. So too if it was not.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2024 14:27:05 GMT -5
Because there aren't any "good" folks who have positions of leadership or influence in either of our 2 major political parties. They're either bad people which in my view are the corporate/donor Dems like Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, Manchin, Clyburn ect. Or the much worse & terrible Corporate/donor Repubs like McConnell, Cruz, Scott ect. The sad part is I couldn't think of one Republican House member who isn't a crazy person Where the starkest differences between the two parties lie is in who pushes them outside of these corporate/done entities. The Dem leadership gets pushed by "progressives"(you'd call them socialists) who want to implement more social programs & strengthen the ones we currently have by taxing corporations & wealthy folks more. The Repub leadership gets pushed by a repugnant person in Donald Trump & his MAGA followers, religious theocrats, bigots & racists. I'd love to see someone like Tim Walz running instead of Biden but the DNC & donors wouldn't allow it so I'll vote for Biden and do whatever I can to push for a robust democratic primary leading up to the 2028 campaign. Who would you like to see run for president instead of Trump for the repubs? Sadly, I cannot point to any particular Republican that I would support. Trump is unacceptable to me. The Court won’t take him out which would have been a neat but legally specious trick. While I mostly agree with your descriptions of the parties and their drivers, I think you left out the Open Borders crowd as being a Democrat force.I find both nominees presumptive to be unacceptable. I might vote for RFK Jr just for s and giggles. Agreed, it's very sad that a staunch conservative like yourself can't point to a single Republican as a beacon of hope for your party. It's truly shameful. Who are you referring to exactly when you speak of the "open border" crowd? I hope you do vote for Kennedy since he'll pull much more from Trump than Biden.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 14:32:39 GMT -5
Sadly, I cannot point to any particular Republican that I would support. Trump is unacceptable to me. The Court won’t take him out which would have been a neat but legally specious trick. While I mostly agree with your descriptions of the parties and their drivers, I think you left out the Open Borders crowd as being a Democrat force.I find both nominees presumptive to be unacceptable. I might vote for RFK Jr just for s and giggles. Agreed, it's very sad that a staunch conservative like yourself can't point to a single Republican as a beacon of hope for your party. It's truly shameful. Who are you referring to exactly when you speak of the "open border" crowd? I hope you do vote for Kennedy since he'll pull much more from Trump than Biden. I think you know exactly who the open borders crowd is. It took an election year to get Oatmeal Brains to even admit the border is a problem.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2024 14:41:44 GMT -5
Agreed, it's very sad that a staunch conservative like yourself can't point to a single Republican as a beacon of hope for your party. It's truly shameful. Who are you referring to exactly when you speak of the "open border" crowd? I hope you do vote for Kennedy since he'll pull much more from Trump than Biden. I think you know exactly who the open borders crowd is. It took an election year to get Oatmeal Brains to even admit the border is a problem. No, I don't. Please call them out, you've seen from my posts that I have zero issues calling out Dems. If we're being honest the only reason the so called border issue has been "acknowledged" is because Biden & other corp dems like Chris Murphy(I'm born & bred in CT) want funding for Ukraine.
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 9, 2024 14:43:05 GMT -5
You’re making it seem as though this response is completely unrelated. It’s not unreasonable to point out that Trump is struggling with the same exact problems that Biden is, and many of those problems to a much greater degree. Why wouldn’t that be remarked upon given that they are both running for president? If it’s a knock against one, it’s a knock against the other. I don’t think anyone here is denying that Biden is struggling mentally, but I don’t think I’ve seen a single acknowledgment by a Republican here (if so, it’s been extremely limited given the number of gaffes he’s had recently) that Trump is also severely cognitively compromised. And setting aside mental acuity, the grifter is clearly a sociopath. I'd love to hear a reasoned contrary argument but I don't think one exists. Biden may have all the negative attributes of the career politician that he is but he is not a sociopath. The state of the electorate is such that “I am not sociopath” is probably a winning slogan. I’ll say the same thing I said in 2020: if Biden can show up in the first debate and demonstrate that he doesn’t have dementia, he’ll win the election fairly easily.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2024 14:49:57 GMT -5
And setting aside mental acuity, the grifter is clearly a sociopath. I'd love to hear a reasoned contrary argument but I don't think one exists. Biden may have all the negative attributes of the career politician that he is but he is not a sociopath. The state of the electorate is such that “I am not sociopath” is probably a winning slogan. I’ll say the same thing I said in 2020: if Biden can show up in the first debate and demonstrate that he doesn’t have dementia, he’ll win the election fairly easily. A Bridge Too Far. His opponent should ask him what day it is. He will Be even money not to know.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 9, 2024 15:17:13 GMT -5
I think you know exactly who the open borders crowd is. It took an election year to get Oatmeal Brains to even admit the border is a problem. No, I don't. Please call them out, you've seen from my posts that I have zero issues calling out Dems. If we're being honest the only reason the so called border issue has been "acknowledged" is because Biden & other corp dems like Chris Murphy(I'm born & bred in CT) want funding for Ukraine. Also it’s becoming a real issue with independent voters according to polling. Republican messaging on issues, no matter how overblown or downright false it may be, seems to penetrate much deeper than Democratic messaging. I don’t know why, but it definitely seems to be the case in the current political climate.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 9, 2024 15:44:12 GMT -5
No, I don't. Please call them out, you've seen from my posts that I have zero issues calling out Dems. If we're being honest the only reason the so called border issue has been "acknowledged" is because Biden & other corp dems like Chris Murphy(I'm born & bred in CT) want funding for Ukraine. Also it’s becoming a real issue with independent voters according to polling. Republican messaging on issues, no matter how overblown or downright false it may be, seems to penetrate much deeper than Democratic messaging. I don’t know why, but it definitely seems to be the case in the current political climate. The Dems are terrible at messaging(I believe purposely) but it's really the "news" outlets that are at fault here. If every outlet calls it a crisis, folks will believe it... The Republicans have Fox News, Newsmax & OAN. There aren't any equivalent channels on the Dem side. Republicans also have influencers like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck. Again there aren't any equivalent types on the Dem side.
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