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Post by prhoya on Aug 26, 2020 9:35:44 GMT -5
Regarding the 76ers, I think Ewing’s stretch as GU’s coach has hurt, not helped, his chances of getting the job. According to reports, he had been considered for several NBA head coaching positions over the years, but passed over at the end of each process because of doubts, GMs not wanting to take a chance, or other reasons. I don’t think his first three years as a HC at GU clear any doubts or convince GMs to take a chance, when our program has had so much player turmoil, a horrible defense and the lack of success. I would love for Pat to reach his ultimate goal of coaching in the NBA, but after accepting his current HC position, now it will have to include GU’s success first. I hope that it happens as soon as possible.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 26, 2020 9:48:29 GMT -5
Fortunately, I am confident that Coach Ewing has a good bit of job security at Georgetown. Yes since it seems we aspire to nothing more than endless mediocrity. We aspire for excellence while understanding it often takes a long time and some bumps in the road to get there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:47:54 GMT -5
Wow!! You really going to go there dude? This is the thanks you give to two of the people who put Georgetown on the basketball and historical map? Really? Dude, you didn’t answer my question. I’ll add another: do you think it’s fine that JT Jr. gets to decide who coaches GU basketball without a proper search? I refuse to answer that question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:49:10 GMT -5
Regarding the 76ers, I think Ewing’s stretch as GU’s coach has hurt, not helped, his chances of getting the job. According to reports, he had been considered for several NBA head coaching positions over the years, but passed over at the end of each process because of doubts, GMs not wanting to take a chance, or other reasons. I don’t think his first three years as a HC at GU clear any doubts or convince GMs to take a chance, when our program has had so much player turmoil, a horrible defense and the lack of success. I would love for Pat to reach his ultimate goal of coaching in the NBA, but after accepting his current HC position, now it will have to include GU’s success first. I hope that it happens as soon as possible. He doesn't have but so many years left to coach, he is 58 years old.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 26, 2020 11:36:57 GMT -5
Regarding the 76ers, I think Ewing’s stretch as GU’s coach has hurt, not helped, his chances of getting the job. According to reports, he had been considered for several NBA head coaching positions over the years, but passed over at the end of each process because of doubts, GMs not wanting to take a chance, or other reasons. I don’t think his first three years as a HC at GU clear any doubts or convince GMs to take a chance, when our program has had so much player turmoil, a horrible defense and the lack of success. I would love for Pat to reach his ultimate goal of coaching in the NBA, but after accepting his current HC position, now it will have to include GU’s success first. I hope that it happens as soon as possible. He doesn't have but so many years left to coach, he is 58 years old. True, but that’s not the NBA’s problem. Pat needs to be successful asap if he wants to fulfill his NBA HC dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
He doesn't have but so many years left to coach, he is 58 years old. True, but that’s not the NBA’s problem. Pat needs to be successful asap if he wants to fulfill his NBA HC dream. He was already succesful with the Charlotte Bobcats.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 26, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -5
True, but that’s not the NBA’s problem. Pat needs to be successful asap if he wants to fulfill his NBA HC dream. He was already succesful with the Charlotte Bobcats. Not as a head coach.
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Post by hoyas315 on Aug 26, 2020 21:48:24 GMT -5
No chance Sixers offer Pat the job. Lock it
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Post by tashoya on Aug 26, 2020 22:00:25 GMT -5
No chance Sixers offer Pat the job. Lock it Even if Patrick were wildly successful as a college HC, there'd be little chance they'd extend an offer. They need an established NBA coach with a record of success to keep fans from losing their minds with regard to how, "The Process," has worked out so far. If they're not going to blow it up again by trading Embiid, it's their only option to generate any trust from fans. And, this is coming from a Knicks fan.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 27, 2020 8:14:13 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said except I don't think Patrick needed to have a head coaching job on the collegiate level to show he's worthy of an NBA head coaching job. This was arguably true before he took the Georgetown job. But, once you take a head coaching position, the results in that position will impact how others view you. "Patrick Ewing, the Hall of Fame player and 15 year assistant" doesn't exist now. Ewing will now always be evaluated as ""Patrick Ewing, the Hall of Fame player, 15 year assistant, and Georgetown head coach." And, he has not put up the results people generally like to see (i.e., winning), regardless of whether one can make excuses for that performance. If you do your research, you will find that most people in the profession thought Patrick should have been given a shot 10, 15 years ago. Given that Ewing never did get a head coaching job in the NBA, I think your argument that "most people" thought he should have gotten a job 10-15 years ago is self evidently incorrect. Question. How long do you think Patrick should coach at Georgetown before somebody should give him an interview for an NBA head coaching job? In my mind, Ewing needs to show progress toward winning. That generally means year-over-year progress. And, because this is college, that probably means NCAA tournament bids, and likely second weekend tournament bids. So far, Ewing has not shown such progress. Sure, Year 2 seemed to be an improvement on Year 1, and he brought in a solid recruiting class in Year 2. But, then in Year 3, not only did performance decline, but he also lost his entire recruiting class from Year 2 that was supposed to be the core for his success. I realize we are not in a vacuum, but I do not see how anybody focusing solely on the basketball aspect of this could possibly say that Ewing's stint at Georgetown (thus far) does anything but hurt his NBA coaching chances.
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 28, 2020 10:21:49 GMT -5
Ewing would likely be in the conversation if he was still an NBA assistant. His time here has made it so he is nowhere near it.
As for him inheriting a “dumpster fire” it is always made to seem much worse than it was to somehow cape for Ewing. Ewing has yet to achieve JT3’s recruiting level. The 2021 class has the potential to be a good JT3 level class. If I were to rank the guys that Ewing inherited with the guys on this years team this is what it would look like. I didn’t include this years FR as we don’t know what they are yet. If I did they would mostly be near the bottom of the list so it doesn’t really matter in this debate. I’m sure there will be some debate. This is not meant to be pro JT3 either. The game had passed him bye and he needed to go. Unfortunately to this point it hasn’t got any better.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 28, 2020 23:02:38 GMT -5
Ewing would likely be in the conversation if he was still an NBA assistant. His time here has made it so he is nowhere near it. As for him inheriting a “dumpster fire” it is always made to seem much worse than it was to somehow cape for Ewing. Ewing has yet to achieve JT3’s recruiting level. The 2021 class has the potential to be a good JT3 level class. If I were to rank the guys that Ewing inherited with the guys on this years team this is what it would look like. I didn’t include this years FR as we don’t know what they are yet. If I did they would mostly be near the bottom of the list so it doesn’t really matter in this debate. I’m sure there will be some debate. This is not meant to be pro JT3 either. The game had passed him bye and he needed to go. Unfortunately to this point it hasn’t got any better. Derrickson Govan Wahab Pickett Jagan Blair Keldon J Harris Carey Mulmore Bile Tim I Since you're taking issue with what Patrick walked into, what did JT3 walk into with regard to recruits? Care to make an apples to apples comparison?
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 29, 2020 4:30:34 GMT -5
Two lottery picks already signed...
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 29, 2020 10:11:40 GMT -5
Two lottery picks already signed... Did you really think they were locks to be lottery picks?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 29, 2020 14:12:40 GMT -5
You could argue that it was better for JT3 that they weren’t locks. This way you had Green for three and Hibbert for four vs. one-and-dones.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 29, 2020 15:32:25 GMT -5
Two lottery picks already signed... Did you really think they were locks to be lottery picks? Does it matter? Literally, the cupboards were stacked.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 29, 2020 15:41:58 GMT -5
Did you really think they were locks to be lottery picks? Does it matter? Literally, the cupboards were stacked. Giving credit where credit is due, IIRC JT3 convinced Good/Bad Brandon Bowman (and his father) to stay.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 29, 2020 17:22:02 GMT -5
Did you really think they were locks to be lottery picks? Does it matter? Literally, the cupboards were stacked. To me, it matters a lot, it seems very revisionist to look back and say you knew that class was gonna be a monster or that JT3 inherited a stacked roster... The fact is JT3 and his initial staff helped Green & Hibbert become lottery picks. I doubt very much they would have been as good under Coach Esherick...
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Post by tashoya on Aug 29, 2020 19:32:56 GMT -5
Does it matter? Literally, the cupboards were stacked. To me, it matters a lot, it seems very revisionist to look back and say you knew that class was gonna be a monster or that JT3 inherited a stacked roster... The fact is JT3 and his initial staff helped Green & Hibbert become lottery picks. I doubt very much they would have been as good under Coach Esherick... You could make that argument. IMO, it's an easier argument to make with regard to Hibbert. Fact is, JT3 didn't bring those guys in.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 29, 2020 19:59:55 GMT -5
The fact is JT3 and his initial staff helped Green & Hibbert become lottery picks. I doubt very much they would have been as good under Coach Esherick... Mike Sweetney made the lottery under Craig Esherick. It's surprising the heat Craig still gets on this board 16 years later despite a record that, after his first 95 games, is ahead of what the last three seasons under Patrick Ewing have generated to date: Esherick: 61-34, 22-24 Big East, 2 NIT, 1 NCAA Ewing: 49-46, 19-35 Big East, 1 NIT (At 95 games, JT III was 66-29, 31-17 Big East, 1 NIT, 2 NCAA.) FWIW, Green would have been successful under any coach and while Hibbert made great strides under JT III's structure I would not presume he couldn't have been successful in other circumstances.
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