bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jul 27, 2020 14:52:55 GMT -5
At the risk of minimizing turnovers and rebounds as a key to winning in today's college game, making threes and defending the three may be the most important criteria for sustained success. I recognize that we have never seen half of our team play at the college level, but I am interested in the Board's answer to the following questions:
(1) who will be our best three, two-way players (defined here as making threes and defending the three)?
(2) who are our best three, three point shooters?
Among other things, I am interested to see if any of the players identified in the first two questions are not likely to see meaningful minutes this year.
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Post by wponds on Jul 27, 2020 15:40:26 GMT -5
1) I think Pickett definitely. Aside from him maybe Carey? I like his size (6'5, I believe) but it's hard for me to know exactly how his defense will translate going from mid-major to Big East competition. Blair showed some progress on defense last season, so we'll see if he can continue that growth going into this year
2) I'd go with Blair, Pickett, and Carey. Dante Harris and Berger look like they'll be good shooters, but I have to respect the players that are proven shooters at the college level
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Post by rhw485 on Jul 27, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -5
I agree with the premise here, but I dont see defending the 3 as a fundamentally individual thing. It's much more schematic imo. To your point, teams are running offense to generate open 3 point looks. It's rarely because a guy is just standing there with his hand down and a guy takes his time and shoots. It's off pick and roll action, dribble penetration, and getting the defense in rotation. It's rarely the guy who was ultimately guarding the 3 point shooters fault that he got a clean look. Our team consistently fails to make the 2nd rotation in half court defense. Sometimes our guys get sucked in too easily on dribble penetration, that would be my biggest gripe where over-helping kills us. But it's a wholesale change in mentality for all five players.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 27, 2020 17:24:14 GMT -5
1) I think Pickett definitely. Aside from him maybe Carey? I like his size (6'5, I believe) but it's hard for me to know exactly how his defense will translate going from mid-major to Big East competition. Blair showed some progress on defense last season, so we'll see if he can continue that growth going into this year 2) I'd go with Blair, Pickett, and Carey. Dante Harris and Berger look like they'll be good shooters, but I have to respect the players that are proven shooters at the college level Blair is a question mark from 3. He's averaged 33% each of his 3 years at GU with super high usage. I don't think he will be one of the top 3 3-pt shooters on the team. That said, Blair will play a lot because he's a senior and captain in a roster full of new faces, plus his experience under Pat will be key. But, with so many guards on the roster and Pickett able to slide to the 3, Blair will need to improve his 3% and his defense or someone else will sit him. He cannot shoot 1 of 8 or 2 of 14 and still be on the floor, even if it means sitting him down for a freshman, going with Pickett at the 3 or putting Robinson in. IMO, of the experienced college players, Pickett, Carey and Bile are three better shooters than Blair. Maybe better shot selection, not rushing it and having the legs at the end of the season will help him improve his 3%, but we do not have the luxury of him shooting 3s to see if he gets out of a shooting slump. I'd rather see him sit down and try someone else in the green-light role. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 28, 2020 9:51:23 GMT -5
1) I think Pickett definitely. Aside from him maybe Carey? I like his size (6'5, I believe) but it's hard for me to know exactly how his defense will translate going from mid-major to Big East competition. Blair showed some progress on defense last season, so we'll see if he can continue that growth going into this year 2) I'd go with Blair, Pickett, and Carey. Dante Harris and Berger look like they'll be good shooters, but I have to respect the players that are proven shooters at the college level Blair is a question mark from 3. He's averaged 33% each of his 3 years at GU with super high usage. I don't think he will be one of the top 3 3-pt shooters on the team. That said, Blair will play a lot because he's a senior and captain in a roster full of new faces, plus his experience under Pat will be key. But, with so many guards on the roster and Pickett able to slide to the 3, Blair will need to improve his 3% and his defense or someone else will sit him. He cannot shoot 1 of 8 or 2 of 14 and still be on the floor, even if it means sitting him down for a freshman, going with Pickett at the 3 or putting Robinson in. IMO, of the experienced college players, Pickett, Carey and Bile are three better shooters than Blair. Maybe better shot selection, not rushing it and having the legs at the end of the season will help him improve his 3%, but we do not have the luxury of him shooting 3s to see if he gets out of a shooting slump. I'd rather see him sit down and try someone else in the green-light role. I would put Robinson in every time. Assuming we get Robinson on our roster.😉😁 |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jul 28, 2020 10:00:52 GMT -5
I agree with the premise here, but I dont see defending the 3 as a fundamentally individual thing. It's much more schematic imo. To your point, teams are running offense to generate open 3 point looks. It's rarely because a guy is just standing there with his hand down and a guy takes his time and shoots. It's off pick and roll action, dribble penetration, and getting the defense in rotation. It's rarely the guy who was ultimately guarding the 3 point shooters fault that he got a clean look. Our team consistently fails to make the 2nd rotation in half court defense. Sometimes our guys get sucked in too easily on dribble penetration, that would be my biggest gripe where over-helping kills us. But it's a wholesale change in mentality for all five players. This 100x. I don't think we have necessarily had subpar individual defenders the last few years. They're just being asked to execute a defensive scheme that gives them a low probability of succeeding at on a consistent basis. I would also throw in the need for some better scouting reports too. A lot of times, it seems like we've not even identified who the opposing shooters are to focus on until well after the game is underway. That can't happen. |
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Post by prhoya on Jul 28, 2020 10:01:19 GMT -5
Blair is a question mark from 3. He's averaged 33% each of his 3 years at GU with super high usage... He cannot shoot 1 of 8 or 2 of 14 and still be on the floor, even if it means sitting him down for a freshman, going with Pickett at the 3 or putting Robinson in. I would put Robinson in every time. Assuming we get Robinson on our roster.😉😁 I meant our walk-on, who IMO more than held his own when he played in limited minutes for a short-handed team. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 28, 2020 10:05:48 GMT -5
I am expecting Berger to be the best 3-point shooter on the team. Most range and accuracy.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 28, 2020 11:05:48 GMT -5
At the risk of minimizing turnovers and rebounds as a key to winning in today's college game, making threes and defending the three may be the most important criteria for sustained success. I recognize that we have never seen half of our team play at the college level, but I am interested in the Board's answer to the following questions: (1) who will be our best three, two-way players (defined here as making threes and defending the three)? (2) who are our best three, three point shooters? Among other things, I am interested to see if any of the players identified in the first two questions are not likely to see meaningful minutes this year. I agree. The corollary to this, however, is cutting down on the bad twos. In the last several years, but especially last year, we saw our guys take a TON of bad twos or long twos. Those shots need to be virtually eliminated from shot selection. You want the shot selection to be mostly 3's, layups, and dunks. Our shot distribution was 25.9% threes, 53.1% twos, and 21.1% free throws (yes, it's off by 0.1 because of rounding). The only good number there is the free throw number. We took FAR too few threes (we were 287/353 on that), and far too many twos (92/353). We need those ratios to be more heavily weighted toward threes. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 28, 2020 11:35:42 GMT -5
I would put Robinson in every time. Assuming we get Robinson on our roster.😉😁 I meant our walk-on, who IMO more than held his own when he played in limited minutes for a short-handed team. I will agree he seemed decent in limited minutes - but I don't think he should see any regular minutes if Blair is off. |
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