justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Jul 3, 2020 20:34:19 GMT -5
While I was hoping this kid would pick UCLA (and I may be a minority of one here on that, but so be it), I have to admire what he is doing. I do think, though, that it will not help his development as a player, so that may well not be a good thing for him in the long run, even if it doesn't significantly affect his draft status. Players of his caliper the NBA has already scouted him, the NBA already expects him to slot in at a certain level be it bluebloods or MEAC, they are just waiting for him to get there and it is a bonus if he improves some more before you get there. Many are mislead thinking they have to go to those bb programs, your skill is what get you there. Certain programs has been able to sale that misconception for a while that you can only improve at their programs. Most improvement of a player comes from the individual (said most not all).
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2020 20:47:04 GMT -5
Face it, under JT2 we were able to attract quality black basketball players because JT2 was in the vanguard of what today we call BLM. His presence got us talked about in the black community and his success became a matter of pride for that community. Thanks to him we got Ewing, Mourning, Iverson and probably many more and created a black power image that lasted for years. However, I think those days are over and I think our disastrous last season was an indication. After 1985, Georgetown mostly recruited Maryland, Virginia, the District, and New Orleans. But outside of those areas, where were all the great nationally ranked stars? They went elsewhere. Georgetown was popular in the black community but with the exception of Othella Harrington the top nationally ranked players ended up going somewhere else: Duke, Arkansas, UNC, and Arizona, among others. Different reasons why, of course but Georgetown was not the draw fans thought it was. Here's the list of recruits after the Final Four seasons from areas not in the areas described above. NBA players in bold. Anthony Allen (TX) Ben Gillery (MI)Johnny Jones (FL) Dikembe Mutombo (Africa)David Edwards (NY) Antoine Stoudamire (OR) Pascal Fleury (Canada) Kevin Millen (TN) Derrick Patterson (IL) Othella Harrington (MS)George Butler (IN) Boubacar Aw (NC) Jerry Nichols (MS) Jahidi White (MO)Godwin Owinje (ND) Joseph Touomou (NC) Jameel Watkins (NY) Rhese Gibson (NY) Shamel Jones (NY) Kenny Brunner (CA) Trez Kilpatrick (FL) Anthony Perry (NJ) Willie Taylor (TN)
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 3, 2020 21:53:04 GMT -5
I’m going to wait until next month at this time before I think about what could be.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 4, 2020 23:27:26 GMT -5
See Program Approach Under Ewing thread. I think we will see a lot more quality black players opt for HBCU's, or schools with large and very active black student bodies. I definitely think it will hurt us in the future. Face it, under JT2 we were able to attract quality black basketball players because JT2 was in the vanguard of what today we call BLM. His presence got us talked about in the black community and his success became a matter of pride for that community. Thanks to him we got Ewing, Mourning, Iverson and probably many more and created a black power image that lasted for years. However, I think those days are over and I think our disastrous last season was an indication. You could be right. My opinion is that you're entirely wrong. But, maybe I'm an optimist. I've rarely been accused of that but it's possible. In case you hadn't noticed, the man that was the force behind Georgetown's prominence, both in terms of the success of the program and as a source of pride for African Americans is still affiliated with the University. If you think because Big John is an old man now that he's lost his fire, his ability to lead, his talent for being a positive voice and activist for change, I guess we'll have to disagree. To all of the Big John detractors out there, I think you may be about to be reminded why he's still a huge asset to Georgetown. For those that have thought that he had "too much say," I'd counter with, maybe he didn't have enough. Not as it pertains to the basketball program, exclusively, but to the University as a whole. We have always been, and continue to be, very lucky to have John Thompson, Jr. as a Hoya. I think he's got a few more rounds in him. I'm very sad, however, that it's still necessary for him to fight those rounds.
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Jul 5, 2020 1:05:16 GMT -5
They need two or three transfers and they’re a ‘tough-out’ for a lot of teams.
Still going to be tough to beat Central and A&T though.
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Post by bornhoya on Jul 5, 2020 23:41:13 GMT -5
They need two or three transfers and they’re a ‘tough-out’ for a lot of teams. Still going to be tough to beat Central and A&T though. Central is got some dogs this year
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:17:45 GMT -5
Good statement by Maker. I guess the cynical view is that it's likely there won't be a (full) college basketball season this year, so he makes a social statement without playing a minute at Howard and doesn't have to worry about injury, being viewed as just dominating weaker competition, etc.
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Jul 6, 2020 18:53:27 GMT -5
They need two or three transfers and they’re a ‘tough-out’ for a lot of teams. Still going to be tough to beat Central and A&T though. Central is got some dogs this year I know! I think this would have been A&T's year to unseat them as champs. I think we lost too much in the front court for next season.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 6, 2020 19:56:26 GMT -5
While I was hoping this kid would pick UCLA (and I may be a minority of one here on that, but so be it), I have to admire what he is doing. I do think, though, that it will not help his development as a player, so that may well not be a good thing for him in the long run, even if it doesn't significantly affect his draft status. Players of his caliper the NBA has already scouted him, the NBA already expects him to slot in at a certain level be it bluebloods or MEAC, they are just waiting for him to get there and it is a bonus if he improves some more before you get there. Many are mislead thinking they have to go to those bb programs, your skill is what get you there. Certain programs has been able to sale that misconception for a while that you can only improve at their programs. Most improvement of a player comes from the individual (said most not all). So you don't think that if he were at Kentucky, Duke or Michigan St., just to pick 3, that his practice time against other top players wouldn't help him improve his game? If not, then we'll agree to disagree.
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Jul 7, 2020 13:10:45 GMT -5
While I was hoping this kid would pick UCLA (and I may be a minority of one here on that, but so be it), I have to admire what he is doing. I do think, though, that it will not help his development as a player, so that may well not be a good thing for him in the long run, even if it doesn't significantly affect his draft status. Players of his caliper the NBA has already scouted him, the NBA already expects him to slot in at a certain level be it bluebloods or MEAC, they are just waiting for him to get there and it is a bonus if he improves some more before you get there. Many are mislead thinking they have to go to those bb programs, your skill is what get you there. Certain programs has been able to sale that misconception for a while that you can only improve at their programs. Most improvement of a player comes from the individual (said most not all). Bobby Phills and Darrell Armstrong Ben Jobe talked about how hard Bobby Phills worked to get better. He was a 6'4" forward and turned himself into a shooting guard. Friends from Fayetteville State talked about all the hours Darrell Armstrong put in the gum in the off-season to get better. Playing against competition helps, but these young guys have been playing against "competition" for years in AAU and all their summer camps. If they're good, they'll find them.
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justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Jul 9, 2020 9:03:47 GMT -5
Ivy League canceled Fall Sports
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 3, 2020 8:10:41 GMT -5
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